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Editorial: Why Windows 8 Start Menu's Absence is Irrelevant

Discussion in 'Articles and Reviews Comments' started by Julio Franco, Jul 18, 2012.

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  1. Wendig0 TechSpot Paladin Posts: 998   +47

    It's an opinion piece, plain and simple. The reason I know it's an opinion piece, is that it is titled "Editorial: bla bla bla". Editorial = opinion. Before reading it, I knew there would probably be some opinions that I might not agree with, so with that knowledge I take things as they are, and I don't get over-excited when I see an opinion that I don't agree with.
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  2. Marnomancer TechSpot Booster Posts: 801   +46

    As Guest above Archean said, the KDE-Kickoff-like menu W7 had worked like a charm, and was as efficient (probably more) than the Unity dash, or equaled KDE's. Metro's UI is better suited for tablets, where swiping would be faster than typing in the app name in All Programs.
    As for avoiding Metro, the new "non-Aero" interface was a nightmare to my eyes. Way too bright for my taste. Feels like Classic! Ugly, IMAO!
    Even with the search feature in Metro, it's not my type.
    The whole of my point is focused on efficiency, which in a DE (Desktop Environment) experience W8 absolutely lacks.

    Conclusion: Win8 tablets - yeah!
    Win8 desk - needs work, but yeah.
  3. spydercanopus TechSpot Guru Posts: 694   +59

    What if I have 8 hi-res monitors? That would become a problem to full screen a Start menu.

    I have not used Win8 yet, because I don't have time to goof off with it. This is not rhetoric or parroting other people. I am genuinely displeased with this change. If you can make Start metro menu Windowed, that would be ok. But I can't have the entire screen change just to open something.

    I will be purchasing Stardock's Start8 if I find a reason for upgrading.
  4. Marnomancer TechSpot Booster Posts: 801   +46

    No offense, but gimme a break, "Guest"s, the thread title tag reads "Editorial". It's editorial opinion, not a review. :mad:
    So read before you post.
  5. Matthew TechSpot Staff Posts: 5,893   +53

    It only occupies one screen, if that's your concern.
  6. m4a4 TechSpot Enthusiast Posts: 273   +51

    Man, this guy gets mad respect from me for speaking it how it actually is. But still people are too blind to see some reason...
     
  7. fimbles TechSpot Evangelist Posts: 1,021   +54

    Well I have all my programs listed at two mouse clicks away, more organised would be one mouse click. does windows 8 offer this?
  8. Littleczr TechSpot Booster Posts: 284   +51

    What in the world, this fails. At least give me the option of having it or not having it.
  9. spectrenad Newcomer, in training Posts: 51

    ppl cry because it SOMETIMES takes ONE additional click to acces a program and that they are losing time. but don't they know the OS is faster... -.-'
  10. dividebyzero trainee n00b Posts: 4,088   +194

    There's more than one way to measure efficiency within a system
    More organized for me is my programs 2 mouse clicks away (or a kb shortcut) Metro (I will persevere) > Desktop > shortcut or taskbar...pretty much everything I usually use -esp. early in an evalution- Resource Monitor, CP, Performance Monitor, Excel, Docs, Libraries, Word, pdf, Core Temp, video transcode, benchmarks....and once I use those two mouseclicks (or kb shortcuts) the program -esp MS Office, transcoder etc, loads tout de suite . The lower initialization time for loading and opening a large Word or Excel doc, or the better framerate processing in Handbrake or FVC more than make up for that one click I had to endure (!) when I logged on....and of course, for most people using Win7/Married to the Start orb, shutting down usually involves mouse to Start and two clicks to shut down. With Win8 it's pretty easy to get used to Alt+F4 > Enter.
    Hey!, but thats my personal take, but most of my productivity is generally measured between desktop and shutdown, not Power ON to desktop.
  11. Hey if Microsoft wants to come up with an alternative to the Start menu that's fine by me. But the Metro replacement consists mostly of squares of largely empty space on a plain background. To my eye, it's visually jarring, unattractive, and wasteful of space.

    That's a deal-killer right there, even without getting into other questionable decisions regarding Windows 8's design. Coupled with the fact that Windows 7 is still good, and has an interface that I actually enjoy using, I don't understand the expectation that I should just accept Metro.

    There are some things that could potentially change my mind. Bevel some edges. Make submenu arrays of tiles unroll in a way that draws the eye rather than overwhelms it. Put some controls on the amount of information that is presented onscreen at once. And above all, get rid of the fullscreen transitions. I have a PC, not a 1080p tablet.
  12. killeriii TechSpot Enthusiast Posts: 196   +13

    @Author

    You seem bitter. IMO

    @ Guest
    "(Windows 8) a bifurcated OS that seems to regard Windows 7 with shame rather than the success that it was."

    +1
  13. Per Hansson TS Server Guru Posts: 1,796   +66

    If it where just a start-menu replacement the move would be quite pointless.
    It is a shift to get developers to make applications cross platform compatible, so that they will work on both your ARM based phone or tablet and on your PC, all in a common interface (Metro)

    Microsoft are trying hard to "convert" their applications to the Metro interface, so that they will not force the machine to drop back to "normal desktop mode" when launching them.

    My problem with this is that the applications I have seen so far like Windows Update or the Live Messenger really work terribly poor with a mouse and keyboard for input.

    But have no doubt that in the long run most apps in the future will be "Metro aware" so that you wont be dropped back to desktop mode when launching them.
    So then calling Matro a simple start-menu sounds quite wong IMO

    To be honest calling the "Power Users" complaining about Metro for various resons "Power Users" in quotes is equally degrading as calling "Metro" "The new start-menu"
  14. JC713 TechSpot Guru Posts: 2,723   +202

    I feel like the abscence of the start button will change peoples view on windows -- as a hard to use and slow operating system.-- and recreate the image as a great easy to use OS. This may be a make or break strategy for them, we will wait and see.
  15. abysal Newcomer, in training Posts: 34

    I love all the spin to try and make Metro look better. We'll have to wait and see how the market adopts this new trend.
  16. Leeky TechSpot Moderator Posts: 4,344   +59

    Both Windows 7 and 8 offer it on the desktop with the ability to pin applications to the taskbar. The only time I actually use the start menu in W7 these days is to find or open something using the search box -- all my commonly used applications are pinned to the taskbar. Sure I could use keyboard commands for that, but I like to use the mouse.

    Point is, it can be one click for your commonly used applications, if you make use of the taskbar.
  17. Matthew TechSpot Staff Posts: 5,893   +53


    It wasn't implied that you don't qualify as a power user if you dislike Metro, it was implied that many people claim to be power users yet can't find a legitimate argument against Metro, relying purely on hearsay and hatred to "convince" people Metro sucks. Scroll through any Windows 8 post and you'll see exactly what I'm talking about. There are a lot of downright lies being passed around.
  18. Per Hansson TS Server Guru Posts: 1,796   +66

    Oh yes I agree Matthew, I was just trying to point out that I really don't see Metro as "a new start-menu"
    I see it as a paradigm shift that Microsoft must make to remain relevant.

    But whether they are right or not will be left to time to decide, I sure don't know.
    My personal opinion is that they should have just made two separate editions of Win8:
    One for touch based devices likes phones and tablets. (With Metro interface)
    And another for devices with mouse and keyboard for input (Without Metro interface)

    I do sure understand why they don't go this route, however it seems to be a route that works well for Apple so I'm a bit surprised that they dare bet so much that they are right...
  19. Matthew TechSpot Staff Posts: 5,893   +53

    :) And I agree with you, I think Metro is certainly a play to remain relevant and there's more to it than simply being a Start menu replacement (see the last paragraphs of the article). However, I also think the impact of the Start menu's removal is greatly exaggerated and Metro is a competent alternative for a vast majority of users/scenarios.
  20. "The truth is, functionally speaking, Metro is basically identical to the Start menu."

    Wrong. The Start menu doesn't take up my whole screen.