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Intelligent life on Mars?

By Eric Legge
Jun 29, 2003
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  1. acidosmosis

    acidosmosis TechSpot Chancellor Posts: 1,574

    Yea I know :D, but I had a lot of a point to get across and didnt want to explain bits and peices of it overtime because I had the idea in my idea that I wanted to get across and didnt want to forget what I was going to say later on. :p

    "Opinions are what makes each of us reconsider our own thoughts" <-- I like that. Well said.
     
  2. XtR-X

    XtR-X TS Rookie Posts: 1,040

    Exactly. Exactly true. On top of that, religion is faith, and, you CAN'T PROOVE FAITH. Just like the discovery of the two possible cities, Sodum and Gamora (I know I must have spelled em both wrong) that were destroyed because of corruption. Even if they were the two cities that were in fact biblically true, you CANT prove faith.

    tWo cENts
     
  3. acidosmosis

    acidosmosis TechSpot Chancellor Posts: 1,574

    Yes, in religion faith is all that you have, and faith is what will decide your fate at death. Faith is what will count the most. At least that is what I believe. Say, if you chose to believe Christianity, I think if you died and there was a God then he would weigh most of his decision of where you go on how much faith you had through your life, no matter what obstacles you came across that made you want to not believe.
     
  4. Nic

    Nic TechSpot Paladin Posts: 1,928

    If God existed, and if he was fair, then he would know that it is unfair to judge someone based on 'faith', which is really just another word for 'lack-of-evidence'.
     
  5. dani_17

    dani_17 TS Rookie Posts: 208

    I think that the most reasonable theory is the Big Bang Theory.

    BUT, I have another thought.

    What if we (humans, almost all of us....) don't have the capacity to understand the answer. Let's say we have the answer in front of our face buy we are not capable of assimilating because it's beyond our "intelligence".

    you know, we are the most intelligent life form of the earch (humans, some of us...) but that doesn't mean we are enough intelligent to understan all the stuff that happens arround us. Evolution went all the way till here, and it will not stop now.

    Plus, I think dreaming is good, cause we are not going to know the answers for this questions, not in this live at least... we only live a little insignificant part of a infinite timeline, the existence of the universe

    :)
     
  6. XtR-X

    XtR-X TS Rookie Posts: 1,040

    On the whole timeline and the existence of the galaxy and the universe and everything else out there, out of a 24-hour time scale, humans haven't even been around for a second!
     
  7. Vehementi

    Vehementi TechSpot Paladin Posts: 3,199

    Far less than that, young one, FAR less than that...humanity's existence in the universal timeline is so small it cannot be measured by human standards of time.

    This speculation is all very interesting, but I believe we are dealing with something out of our realm of understanding.

    As for intelligent life on Mars, so what if there is, right now, a gigantic colony of intelligent beings living under the surface? Would we ever find out? Would they ever reveal themselves to us? If there are, it's almost certain that they know we're here. So what if they do know we're here? Have they seen what we did to this planet so they're trying to stay out of our way? Are they studying us? Are they hostile? Maybe they're hiding their existence from us, for some reason...

    Who knows??
     
  8. SNGX1275

    SNGX1275 TS Forces Special Posts: 12,690   +337

    Interesting, makes sense.
     
  9. acidosmosis

    acidosmosis TechSpot Chancellor Posts: 1,574

    Veh: I didnt make actual intelligent life under the surface when I said 'under the surface' I meant micro-organisms and things of that nature. Possibly worms or something that would live in the dirt or deep beneath the surface. I wouldnt think it would be anything large. Although who knows there could be a huge 5000 ft. long worm under the surface with 5,000,000,000,000 children. Or maybe even worms such as in the movie Dune? Who knows., but I seriously doubt it :-D
     
  10. Vehementi

    Vehementi TechSpot Paladin Posts: 3,199

    It's possible though. Possibilities are in no short supply, however.
     
  11. Rick

    Rick TechSpot Staff Posts: 6,305   +52 Staff Member

    I heard the finding of bacteria was actually contamination and not really life from Mars. Confirmations or protests anyone?
     
     
  12. SNGX1275

    SNGX1275 TS Forces Special Posts: 12,690   +337

    Can't explicitly confirm that Rick, but thats what I was thinking as well.
     
  13. Nic

    Nic TechSpot Paladin Posts: 1,928

    I can confirm that Rick. Or more accurately, I also heard that the bacteria was possibly due to contaminated samples. There was a TV documentary about it a few years back, and I think there was some scientist claiming that the fossilised bacteria wasn't actually bacteria, but gold samples or something that just happened to look like bacteria under those conditions. Can't remember much detail about it though.
     
  14. acidosmosis

    acidosmosis TechSpot Chancellor Posts: 1,574

    I didn't think about that. That is a definate possibility.


    Darn. That sucks :)
     
  15. SNGX1275

    SNGX1275 TS Forces Special Posts: 12,690   +337

    There is also bacteria floating around in space probably from space missions when they dump their waste, that stuff could maybe possibly somehow have gotten to Mars. Apollo missions would be most likely to have liquid waste or something hit Mars because they were much further out of the Earth's gravity than subsequent orbiting missions.
     
  16. acidosmosis

    acidosmosis TechSpot Chancellor Posts: 1,574

    Well also the fact that we land there so much, we could just be "shedding" bacteria and other organisms.
     
  17. Rick

    Rick TechSpot Staff Posts: 6,305   +52 Staff Member

    Figures. I do remember hearing about bacteria found on Mars, and I seem to remember something discounting it on the news awhile back...

    If it really WERE verified, I think just about everyone on Earth & Mars would know of it by now. :)
     
  18. XtR-X

    XtR-X TS Rookie Posts: 1,040

    Now, what about other planets... or even moons? I'd say the possiblity for waste to hit the moon is far greater than to Mars. Though, I don't know if scientists have found any bacteria on the moon, if they did I'm sure it'd be hyped up right now.
     
  19. acidosmosis

    acidosmosis TechSpot Chancellor Posts: 1,574

    We have to think about what we are saying here though. Bacteria is VERY small. The idea that we could just happen to find bacteria that we "dropped" somewhere on another planet is almost impossible so I vote for it being from something else. At least from the equipment that picked up the object with bacteria, or the fact that it was probably contaminated before or after it landed.
     
  20. XtR-X

    XtR-X TS Rookie Posts: 1,040

    I'm say why is everyone hyped up about bacteria on Mars? Why not the moon? It could be possible that life may have started on the moon due to its relatively small size and quicker cooling.
     
  21. SNGX1275

    SNGX1275 TS Forces Special Posts: 12,690   +337

    How many moon missions have there been since this proposed bacteria discovery? None that I know of, so there you have it - thats why we haven't found any moon bacteria - no one has looked.
     
  22. acidosmosis

    acidosmosis TechSpot Chancellor Posts: 1,574

    You also have to kind of think about the fact that if bacteria did land on Mars or the moon a hundred years ago or even a billion years ago then it is now still Martian or moon life. We could also be from another planet. Who knows, we could have started out as bacteria that crashed here from another planet. Also some sort of bacteria could have landed here which helped create life on Earth, or some other form of life. We ourselves may be alien. All life BUT us live here in harmony. We destory, the rest have a certain natural balance with each other. The Matrix said it will, we are a virus.
     
  23. XtR-X

    XtR-X TS Rookie Posts: 1,040

    Agh... this topic sucks now... we've had too much of it. :)
     
  24. acidosmosis

    acidosmosis TechSpot Chancellor Posts: 1,574

    Well, theres a million possibilitys, we can think of them all but we could think of a couple hundred ;-).
     
  25. MrGaribaldi

    MrGaribaldi TechSpot Ambassador Posts: 2,802

    Well, then sorry for continuing it, but I had to react to some of it...

    A very interesting theory/idea Rick, but maybe it'd be better off in a thread of it's own...
    So I'll just leave it, though I have to say I do not agree with much of your theory...

    This has been more or less answered, but a couple of points...

    One theory of the big bang says that in the beginning there was nothing in the universe than a black hole... This reach "critical mass" and exploded into the universe, releasing Hydrogen and Helium a long with a lot of heat..

    After a while the hydrogen and helium started forming small "lumps" which grew ever bigger until they reached critical mass and started to react with eachother to create suns...

    The suns lived for a while, before going supernova, sending out not only hydrogen and helium, but some of the other atoms we find in the wild today, like iron, (which had been created by the heat and pressure in the core of the sun)...

    This happened once again, giving us the different atoms we know of today...

    We're currently living in the "third generation" of suns, at least our sun is a third gen sun, and quite young at that...

    So it happened a third time, but this time the atoms didn't only turn into suns, but planets too...
    The closer to the sun, the more heavy atoms (iron and such) you'll find, and the farther off you go, the more Hydrogen and Helium you'll find... (Note: This does not totally apply to Mars, but I'll come back to that in another answer....)

    And it is at this point that life started to "show up" in the universe...

    Over the same time, the universe cooled down to the level it is now... But when it was first created, it was hot!

    This is a very general description, but if I were to write it any longer, most of you would probably go off in search of some wet paint to look at instead... ;) :D

    That depends on which theory you follow...

    The one I described above, says it's part of a circle, where the universe expands and subtracts, continuing endlessly... This accommodates the planets that were discovered some years ago that are older than the rest of the universe....
    Think of it like the Ancient Greek way of looking at time and history, as they thought it was circulatory... There was no beginning, and there is no end... Everything is/will be repeating itself... Maybe not you, or your actions, but in general everything will be repeated...
    (But that's another discussion again...)

    But back to the topic of life...

    There's a theory going around that is gaining momentum (at least it did last year when I was learning about this), that life didn't start on Earth, but rather in the/a asteroid belt... There the non-organic materials would be subject to enough shifting radiation, have enough water/other materials needed, and thus suddenly there was life...

    Then why do we have life on Earth you ask?*

    Because some time in the past, a comet/asteroid/whatever hit the asteroid belt, and sendt a couple of asteroids our way... One of them hit earth in the "correct" manner (didn't bounce of our atmosphere, or burn up in it), and made it's way down to us... The heat produced in the atmosphere reawakened the life, and it was spread out over the sea...

    From there on and to today you know as much as me about how life spread...

    *Note: This is still a theory....

    I think I'll split this up into two posts, as it is getting quite long allready, and I'm about halfway... :D
     


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