Intelligent life on Mars?

Just thought I'd bring this old thread back to life since I finally found some proof to back up my above posts...

Here and here is some of the theory saying that organic matter might have been brought to earth by comets, which has led to this project being started (maybe not directly but..)

Not exactly what I was looking for, but at least it gives some background into what I was talking about above...
(Saw a newsflick about NASA sending a satelite to check for frozen life on one of the asteroids in our solarsystem, so I thought I'd update this thread.... Annoyingly I couldn't find anything about the mission on NASA's site though )

Read if you care, ignore if you will...

Fungal spores can survive in the vacume of space and it has been theorized that the ingestion of "certain" mushrooms played an important part in the evolution of human mind/consciousness and that these spore could of been of extra-terrestrial in origin. It as good as any other theory I've heard to explain the exponential explosion of human technology- we were reprogrammed by alien spores! A similiar theory has been esposed about viruses wich can also survive the vacume of space. The frightening/exciting point to be made here is that fully 3/4 of the human genome is unexpressed retroviruses that could be 'turned on' by new/different viral triggers being introduced into the biosphere.

Also if you place any stock in this theory, space might be filled with biological material from other planets that is just looking to land on the right rock and germinate. Space exploration as well as human/evolutionary biology is in its infancy and to think that just because we havent found water/life on mars it means there is no other source of life out there is to show absolutely no grasp of the extrodinary vastness of space.

You know I think it's really sad. Sad that you all think we're the result of some cataclysmic event. That we're just some random abnormality that evolved... Evolution is unprovable..it has never been observed..and never will be... Look at rock sediment, it even goes against evolution. We are not some random mistake, we were created. And that is obviously evident, no accident could have created such perfect beings. We have ears for hearing, eyes for seeing..the list goes on. Only God could have created us... Though I guess some of you should still consider yourselves accidents...Cause you'd rather have come from a monkey or some primortial soup..than from a holy God that knew exactly what he was doing...

It always seems strange to me that flat-earthers such as this think that evolution and God are mutually exclusive principles. MY god would/did begin things with a great explosion from which all elements of time, matter and space slowly coelesced leaving obvious evidence that ALL life is related, inter-dependent and derivative of that original spark. Why is it insulting to think we evolved from a monkey or slime-mold? Is there not perfection in the way a mollusk filters plankton from sea water? As for what is 'holy'- I assure you that this is WHOLY a human concept and if there is some devine intent for man, there has yet to be a religion that understands it.

You are wrong, Christianity has always known Gods purpose, it's all written down in the bible. But thats a matter of faith, and a matter you will deal with for all eternity...Jesus Christ came to save, and rejection of him gets you a one way ticket to hell...Its that simple....

God didnt begin time/space with an explosion. He spoke it into existence in 6 days.

So that's it? God said "Shazammmm!' above this incredibly big top hat and the earth, stars and all humanity popped out?

The bible is an allegory and a pretty poor one at that and it has absolutely nothing to do with the teachings of Jesus the man, husband and prophet. Christ's message was one of love and inclusion that was perverted and co-opted by the catholic church as a means of controlling people (especially women, and the poor-sound familiar?) by claiming to be the "one true way to salvation" and if you don't like it- well yer just going to HELL! yep, right to hell! <insert thunderclap>. The bible and christianity is just an attempt to replace Greek, Roman, and Pagan gods and rituals with a different god and different rituals. Mind control now payable by check, money order or Visa.

Believing in the bible is not an act of faith on your part it is an act of desperation.

Lest you think this has strayed off topic, perhaps we could question wether if there were beings on Mars, presumably totally unaware of previously mentioned human Jesus Christ, purported son of God, would they to be condemned to the fires of hell too?

Would it be possible to keep the religious part of this discussion in another thread? The topic is wide enough allready without including a discussion of whether we were created by a/the God and if yes how He went about doing it...

Regarding Evolution being unprovable

Just a comment of evolution being unprovable - first off, it's a heck of a lot more provable than mankind simply being "created" (Adam and Eve). Second, for example - look at your appendix. It is a vestigial organ, meaning it simply has no use in your body anymore, which is why it can be removed and it won't affect you at all. Out appendixes DID have a function some time ago, but our bodies changed and the adaptation stuck. Evolution doesn't take plave overnight...it takes hundreds of thouusands and millions of years. Mutations are a proven fact in the animal kingdom, that is a proven fact. When the animals that exhibit those mutations survive, and the mutation ends up being beneficial, those genes are passed on and over time they are populated to offspring, and again and again and again etc. I don't think the EXTREMELY close similarities between some dinosaurs and moder day raptor birds (hawks and the like) is simply a coincidence. I don't think the fact that apes are the only other animal with an opposable thumb like humans is a coincidence. I don't think the fact that only 1 or 2 genes or chromosomes seperate apes and man is a coincidence either. As I said on another post, to each his or her own, and live and let live - we're all on the same team at the end of the day. My only point is, believe what you want to believe, but facts are facts, and I guess I'm just someone who believes in scientific research more than a story that's been interpreted and re-interpreted a hundred times over through time by different people with different agendas...

I gotta stop watching the Discovery Channel...

I agree. All of the discussions are hypothetical....all unproven theories, whether you like to believe it or not. The point is (as Mr. G puts it) let's honor everybody's right to their viewpoint....whether or not it aligns with ours. There are many forums on the 'net' that cater to this type of discussion. Let's keep TechSpot to what it was primarily meant for okay?

That's my rant, my $.02 and simply my opinion.

The reason most flat-eathers point to as rebuttal to evolution is the fossil record. They say that there is no fossil proof of a continual evolution of any individual organism- Also the emergence of man happened in an instant geologically speaking so, to them, it is proof of a man with a big white beard saying shazam!- let there be cable tv!

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I know were not supposed to be on this topic and ill get bitched at. I think the theory of evolution is perhaps more plausable than adam and eve, and btw, adam and eve wasnt just one story of how man came to be, the next chapter contains a completely differnt story of how we all came to be.
I think the bible was people trying to give an explination as to why we are here. Since advanced science wasnt around people just had to try and make sence of the whole universe matter. But the perfection of the universe is what makes you think, like if earth was any closer to any futher away from the sun we wouldnt be able to maintain such an opulant habitat. The perfection of mathematics. How the average flame from coal or wood is just big enough to suffiecntly warm an average man. How the same amout of atoms in a human is the same amout of collective human atoms in a star. All this perfection makes you think that perhaps there just might be something who made it. I certanly dont believe that if we obey certain rules we all go to heaven and get greeted by angels and so on. Quick fact about mans interpritaion of an angel. It body composition and wings are not in the correct ratio, therefore the weight of the wings would crush its back and it certainly wouldnt be able to fly. I believe the bible is a form of control, to stop people from desending into chaos and the things about god and so on are there to enforce it. So im all for the big bang theory and the theroy of evolution, but there has to be somthing there that made it. I also belive though that once you die you rot, perhaps if ur lucky you might get excaved in 1000 years time by a incredibly large headed 7 foot tall hareless superhuman and get placed in a museam. Faith is spawned from fear and truth, eg u fall of a cliff, you know ur falling of a cliff, you dont want to fall of a cliff, so u think of somthing to soften the harsh reality that your gonna look like a pizza. Regilion is a crutch for people to live on.

Well I donno what you've been smoking...I dont know what you are referring too by "the next chapter contains a completely differnt story of how we all came to be" That is a complete lie. Religion is not a crutch...What is the meaning of life then? If the whole point is to be born, live, and die...and then be nothing...Why is it worth living at all? Why not go commit suicide..there's no point after all right? There is a point, God created man to glorify him. After we die our soul seperates from our body and either goes to Heaven or hell. The Bible is the most ACCURATE book ever written, there is not one single flaw held within its pages(NIV is not included).

You have every right not to believe the Bible. But it is a decision you will have to live with for eternity. I myself trust in Jesus Christ for my salvation. He came and died for the sin of all mankind.

The bible warns that by rejecting Christ on this earth...you will spend eternity seperated from him...and eternity in hell...

I will leave it at that, because that is what the bible says, you can either accept or deny it, its your choice.

The Greek, Roman and other gods where created by people unwilling to trust in the one true God.
The catholic Church is perverted....
It is an act of faith, and something you will live with forever. You speak of the bible as you do because you cannot possibly understand it. By being an unsaved individual you cannot fully comprehend the bible and its teachings...Its that simple...

Please keep the religious fanatism on the low on these forums please. This is TechSpot not ChurchSpot.

Well Vassil if you choose to live by that particular form of control then thats your choice. I just think that the big bang and evolution is a bit more plausabile than some god making the world in 6 days. Remember in a few thousand years christainity might well die out a people might believe in different things, demonstrated though history. The births and falls of all different religions are all just different interpritations on how we should live and to what extent we excersie self restriant. There isnt a single meaning of life. However the most powerful will in humans is to repoduce, i just think the meaning of life is what ever you want it to be. However the scientific meaning is to repoduce. But before science people just had to make best guesses demonstraed in the bible and other religious books. Dont you think that if their was a true God he'd have us all worshiping in the same way? ie one univeral religion?. I dont think ill go to heaven or hell when i die, i think ill just die, and it doesnt really bother me so that is why im an atheist. About that adam and eve thing, i just got that of my RE teacher, hes a bit crazy anyway (Welsh you see) so i couldnt realy varify that because i couldnt be bothered trying to find a copy of the bible.
About not being supposed to talk about this, isnt this a meeting spot? were we can talk about things in general?
One last thing, Vassil, are you from the deep south?

ps, Vassil when you said how we are such 'perfect' beings, i totally disagree with that. The whole point of being human is the imperfection, nothing we make that we concived ourselves can be perfect, nothing. Reflected in capitalism and communisim, both fundimentally flawed. About evolution not being observed. Rats, you give them rat poisin and it destorys most of the population, but not all. Some rats survive and have ofspring that is immune to that particular rat poisin, this is evolution in progress. Also in Vietnam when they dropped napalm it killed a lot of animals, but not all. Grasshoppers mutated and were immune to napalm. They were somthing like 7 times that of the average and had super strong armour. Thats evolution in progress. Things like if you play a lot of football the skin on your feet toughens, this is evolution in progress. So dont it has not been observed because we see it everyday.

Agreed Didou...let's keep it TechSpot. I will say, in closing, that we are born, we live and we die...but while we are here, MY meaning and purpose it to play and create music, enjoy time with my family and have as good a time as I possible can, and MAYBE leave my own little space on this planet a little bit better off than when I found it. I don't think there's anything wrong or futile about that...

For those of you keen on continuing this discussion, please do so on this forum and not here @ TechSpot...

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Also another one Creation vs Evolution

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Thanks MrGaribaldi...'nuff said and done deal...