Motherboards

Ha ha... No, the new Intel processor isn't better than AMD latest processors at Maya desite those numbers in the Anandtech link above. Do you really need an explanation for that?

mobo

"So far the situation in the market looks as follows. Intel’s new CPU copes better than its AMD rival with streaming data processing and multimedia files encoding. Also, it appears quite efficient for multi-threading tasks, such as 3ds max or Photoshop. The newcomer from AMD, however, proved really fast in scientific tasks and office. If we make some additional allowances, we will be able to state its leadership over the Pentium 4 Extreme Edition even in contemporary 3D games."

From:
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/print/athlon64-fx51.html

This is somewhat dated, but I think it's valid.

It says intel is better for multi threading, not amd.

Prove that amd is better at multithreading with some charts nein.

I seem to only find evidence that intel is better at multi threading.

what cpu

I still think you should get an intel cpu. According to the avid hd specs, it is recommended to use xeon, pentium4, or pentium m, no amd products even listed. It says you should have 1.5gb of ram, an open gl workstation graphics card, like this http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=14-133-117&depa=1
It also says that firewire should use the ti chipset.

The gigabyte board you listed says it has the ti chipset, as well as the asus. I would go with the gigabyte because of the 6 memory slots, because if you need lots of ram like avid hd requires, then you want lots of dimm slots. The asus is really good too, it comes down to whichever you like most/has the features you need.

Cheers for all your help seems to be getting a little bit heated in here lol, but that is good. The only way we get the truth out of people.

Nein i got my borther to check out what you were saying as he knows more than me and he agreed with you on most things. He was giving me some benchmark tests of the AMD CPU and they did perform better in maya, but then he found me another forum about the latest Intel CPU's and they seem to be better for what i want to do in his opinion and many others like vnf4ultra.

I have to be honest i also find what you say hard to understand in places. I consider myself to have reasonable knowleadge of computers, but a lot of what you say means **** to me.

What profession are you in again?

Still all of you have been a good help. It is hard to decide over the Asus or the Gigabyte as i have had different opinions on both.

Here is a little esier to understand review of both chips IF it was me I would probbly go with the AMD. Becuse I am a gammer ! Read the hole review here Intel does some stuff better than AMD and AMD does stuff better than Intel but there is realy not that much difference in any of them really no landslide the choice should be what will it do for the money I like to spend.. OR the big question is do I wait untill dual core comes out?? Intresting point

As far as a motherboard I would go with Asus

Here is the link

http://www.anandtech.com/printarticle.aspx?i=2353

Thanks a lot vnf4ultra you have been a good help.

When the dual core processors come out will they fit the 775 socket or would i have to buy a new motherboard that will have the right socket?

Also when do they come out and are they really worth the wait if i decided to?

dual core

I think dual core intel cpus will be socket 775, but they will not work in current motherboards, they need a new chipset (955x or something). Intel dual core should come out first, followed by amd dual core. Amd dual core will(supposedly) work on any current 939 motherboard with a bios update. For multitasking, dual core will be the best you can get. Intel isn't going to use hyperthreading on the dual core chips though, at least not for a while from what I've read. You can get multi processor systems now, but then you need 2 separate cpus.

Intel dual core not supported on 925x.
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2329&p=3

Hyperthreading only on "extreme edition" dual cores.
http://www.nordichardware.com/?action=more&id=896

Athlon 64 939 dual core works on existing motherboards
http://forums.techwatch.com.au/viewtopic.php?t=4238&sid=8
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/02/24/1336255&from=rss

I am new to the site and have a question on buying a mobo the problem I have is I have a Dell 4700 with a Pent 4 3.4Gig CPU and One gig of memory.
My problem is I only have three PCI slots and need a few more.
From reading on the Dell site I hear there is a question on the power supply hook up to a non-Dell mobo.
My question is there a mobo out there that will fit the Dell mid tower computer? Do I have to buy a new power supply and tower?
Any options ,ideas would be appreciated

mobo

I think you can use a micro atx mobo in a dell. But you can't get any more pci slots(well, maybe one) because matx only allows 3-4. You'd need a case that fits a full atx mobo to get more pci.

vnf4ultra if the dual core Intel processors when they come out won't work on any Intel motherobard i can buy now, but will on the 939 Athlon boards then do you think it would be worth getting one of those boards if i can benefit from dual core processors?

When they come out what proce do you think they will be?

Or do you think if i just get a new Intel motherboard now with one of the 6** processors then that should be fine for a while without even worrying about dual processors?

I am really trying to think in the future for this PC i am buying as i will not be getting one for a long time after. Well i will have to finish two more years of at University first and then i will have a major debt to pay off, so you can see my problem.


cheers

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/03/01/intel_pentium_d/

lookimg at this link it says the new Intel dual core processors will be using socket LGA775, so does that mean i can buy an Intel LGA775 motherboard and fit the dual core processors when they come out?

You could try, but intel needs to design a new chipset around the dual-core. Current mobo's will NOT be able to handle them.

AMD64 however, on a S939 board, only needs a BIOS-update to accomodate the Egypt dual-core CPU.

Whichever way you look at it, if you want to buy now and be equipped for dual-core without other expenses, your only choice is AMD64 on S939 (or the more expensive Opteron/S940 option, really only meant for servers).

dual core

" So while you can't plug a Smithfield(dual core intel cpu) into your existing 925X motherboard, it may be for the better."
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2329&p=3

Unless intel pulls some sort of switch (which intel could do), then the dual core processors will require a new mobo based on the 945/955 chipset.

Intel 2.8ghz dual core = U.S. $241, 3ghz dual $316, 3.3 dual $530, sorry, I don't know what the prices are in your currency, maybe you can use a converter to check.

Those actually are really good prices for being 2 cpus, only a few $'s more gets you a whole extra core.

Amd dual core pricing is yet unknown.
Amd's dual core plans
The article above also attests to being able to use dual core in most present 939 mobos with a bios flash.

But amd will want to be competitive with intel, so I would guess that their prices will be similar.

Nein, you can't actually say you don't have any use for faith or beliefs. You believe I'm a person, right? I haven't proven to you that I am, but you have faith that I am, the same way I believe you are a person, not a robot, alien, spirit, etc. Take for instance this example: A person doesn't belive that gravity exists, they jump off a cliff, they still fall and die. Not believing in gravity doesn't make it not exist. When you sat on your chair today, did you inspect it thoroughly to be sure it would hold your weight? No? Well then you had FAITH that it would hold you because it has done so in the past.

Anyway, why do you have your status blocked and your pm's turned off? Are you paranoid? Afraid that someone here will do something to you?

Ok then so it seems that the dual core processors will not fit the current LGA775 socket mobo's.

In that case do you think it is worth waiting for the new 945/955 mobo's?

Is the lauch date soon?

This just keeps getting harder and harder, when i finally though i was going for a LGA775 mobo i now am in two frames of mind for either waiting building a new computer now.

intel dual core

I'm thinking intel's dual core will be available midyear.
Details

That's a while to wait, even if they do ship on time.
Do you need the computer now?
3 choices
1. Get a intel 925xe now.
2. Wait for intel 945/955 and intel dual core
3. Get amd 939 now (whatever cpu) and then upgrade to dual core once they arrive.
Choice 1 probably will be the least upgradeable.
If you can't wait, then consider choice 3.

Amd dual cores will probably be out later this year(year end), but that's still a little uncertain.

And you can stop bashing 'nein' now, he has been banned from this forum (rightly so).
AMD S939 is your choice.
Intel needs new mobo's and at least 1 revision after that to work properly.

Yeah your right they are my three options.

I would consider myself an unpatient person, so that does not help with my choices. The truth is i don't really need a new computer right now, but i am not very good with money, so i am worried i will spend it all and then have nothing.

if i did go for the Intel 775 socket mobo now it would still be good for a few years doing all i need right?

Are the dual core processors going to be a lot better or is there not a very significant change?

dual core worth it?

"From a software perspective, it will be treated just as two seperate CPUS. Yes, it's possible to run software to take advantage of n number of CPUs, but only in specific applications where you're not waiting on the results from one calculation before you begin the next. Take for example 3D rendering in something like Maya. If you're rendering a 320x240 image and you happen to have 76,800 CPUs then you can assign 1 pixel to each CPU and it can be rendered all at the same time. If you only have 2 CPUs, you can assign 38,400 pixels to each CPU, etc."
Maya dual core

Avid pro hd is "multiprocessor optimized" which means it can use more than 1 cpu to work faster. avid hd pro

For the types of things you're going to do, dual core would definitely be beneficial, but to what extent, I don't know. Is it worth the wait? Hard to tell since dual core isn't here yet.

I think you would be happier with dual core, but it could be a bit of a wait. If I were you, which I'm not, I think I would get an amd 939 and then upgrade to dual core, because I hate waiting, and 939 should have dual core compatibility. But that is me, I hate to wait, but want maximum upgradeability.

I looked for more maya benches, and found that in maya amd's fx51 (2.2ghz actual speed), a formerly top of the line chip, is better than a p4 3.2ghz of the old generation. But the new intel generation(6xx) is faster in maya. The article says that maya version 5(and probably higher) is more tolerant of the amd64.
The a64 single core should give acceptable performance in maya, probably good enough to last until dual core.Xbit maya bench

Do you know anyone who's used amd 64 in the apps you want to use? If you can find someone ask them how it performs.

Edit: here's another chart comparing cpu's,no intel 6xx cpus which should be better, but interesting, I haven't seen this before. Ace's hardware Maya

Thanks that is very useful information.

I do not know anyone with an AMD computer they all have Intel's, so unfortunetly i can only ask ppl on forums and believe there word.

It is still a very hard decision, but i see what you are saying about getting AMD now and it is a good point.

Will the AMD dual core processors definetly fit the sicket 939 boards. Do you know this 100 percent?

Do we know yet what will be better out of the Intel dual core processors and AMD's?

Are there going to be different AMD dual core processors and if so what one supposively is going to work on the current mobo's?

If there are different ones do we know what is going to be the best?

These are questions that i know you may not be able to answer at this date, but the more information you give me the better. You are good at researching for the right data when it comes to computers far better then i.

thanks a lot

matt

dual core

Unfortunately, no, until amd actually makes a *production* dual core and demonstrates that it will work in a current motherboard, we cannot say that for sure it will work. Amd has said that it will, but that is not a 100% guarantee.
Check out this article.
Amd demo.

Amd may make a dual core "fx" ,or something similar, with more cache, but I don't know of any "versions" unless you count the 940 pin one as a different version.

I think that comparing an intel dual core 3ghz to an amd dual core 3000+ will be about the same as comparing today's intel single 3ghz to amd's current single 3000+. They both will have areas where they excel. I don't really know any details about this though.
Here's another informative read.
Extremetech