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P5ND2-SLI Deluxe Raid 0/SATA problem.. maybe? Driving me nuts

By whitesealstudio
Jul 10, 2005
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  1. zephead

    zephead TechSpot Paladin Posts: 2,483

    i don't know if there is one near you, but a local pc repair shop will be able to get your problem sorted out for a reasonable price, as they always have known good parts to use for testing purposes.
  2. Vaillantf1

    Vaillantf1 TS Rookie

    P5ND2 freezing

    Hi;

    I have the P5ND2 as well, and the same problem as you. The freezing is sporadic and still don't know why it does that, but as far as I'm concerned, the motherboard is responsible for it. Did you have your problem resolved?
  3. zephead

    zephead TechSpot Paladin Posts: 2,483

    if the numlock key fails to toggle the appropriate LED on your keyboard, you are dealing with bad or locked up hardware. if it does this in safe mode, the odds are overwhelming that you have a peice of bad hardare, the motherboard being the prime suspect.
  4. whitesealstudio

    whitesealstudio TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 30

    I still haven't resolved the problem nor have I discovered the culprit.

    What I have done:

    1)Ran RAM in Single Channel mode
    2)Used 1 stick of RAM then the other.
    3)Used the B slot for the RAM
    4)Disconnected the Plextor DVD Drive
    5)Disconnected the Plextor Plexwriter Premium CDRW Drive
    6)Changed the SATA cables
    7)Moved the DVD SATA drive onto the Silicon Image RAID/SATA Controller
    8)Moved the Audigy 4 card
    9)Took out the audigy 4 pro card
    10)Disabled Execute Disable Bit
    11)Manually configured my RAM and Bus Speeds
    12)Underclocked the RAM
    13)Ran Memtest for 24 hours, ran memtest86 on a bootable CD for 24 hours, ran disk doctor, fdisk, seagate diagnostic tool (full hard drive scan), system doctor, pci latency tool, dxdiag, event viewer --- all of this with no errors.
    14)Monitored my temps, voltage, and task manager.
    15)Enabled DMA on the DVD drive
    16)Unplugged the midi unit from the audigy card
    17)Called Asus 5 times, Seagate, and Plextor (Seagate rep was the MOST helpful and stated if it was a hard drive error the puter would have said something on boot/NVRaid/or on event viewer plus memory error would either show up as a BSOD or something)
    18)Upgraded downgraded BIOS (tried em all)

    This box just doesn't like me whatsoever

    Ok, this is seriously pissing me off and after calling a few computer repair shops in the area I am not paying 60-90$ for them to tell me they have no clue as to whats wrong or give me a false solution. They didn't have a clue as to what gear I was talking about on the phone, plus this computer is mad heavy. I am a poor college student who lives in the city so I need to cart or carry my pc several blocks.

    I launched Illustrator and itunes the other day and the music stopped which told me the computer was freezing. I hit close on itunes and everything froze. I could switch to illustrator but once I did everything stopped responding as usual. I hit CTRL-ALT-DEL, waited, and minutes later the computer started responding again. (First time this happened and only time) Itunes closed, Illustrator popped back up, and task manager came up. Later that night I launched a game and in 5 minutes it totally froze. Music looped or kept going. Next day I launched nvidia temp sensor on the 2nd monitor and launched the game. I let it sit and watched the temp stay withing 45-55 degrees. Computer froze the game but the temp sensor was still working. As SOON as I click on the desktop or right-click and select an option the computer completly stops responding. Started the game again and it ran for 20-30 minutes unattended, I close the game and open something else up computer freezes. I was running task manager performance on 2nd monitor, computer froze but task manager kept running UNTILL I click on something, anything, desktop or start button then everything completly freezes. The clock even keeps working untill I click on anything. Mouse works, keyboard works, CD/DVD drive opens. Sometimes the mouse freezes and everything stops but most of the time everything seems to still work.

    -edit

    Keyboard numlock doesn't work during a freeze (sometimes) but F-lock does.

    :knock:

    :mad:
  5. Vaillantf1

    Vaillantf1 TS Rookie

    Freezing...

    Ok...

    Mine freezes without creating any logs (like Event Viewer...) I have also monitored all hardware installed without solution. I have swapped some parts, like my Plextor 716SA and RAM and Video (2x Gigabyte 6800GT in SLI). It always freezes whatever I do/swap. That's why I believe the motherboard is the culprit. I have a fresh install (windows xp) without software yet and still it freezes. I will try and play with the Nvidia nforce RAID drivers/settings and see what that does.

    The freezing is sporadic, so it can happen in 2 minutes up-time or 4 days... It is not when I do specific tasks. Still seeking a solution...

    Good luck!
  6. whitesealstudio

    whitesealstudio TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 30

    Ok, Checking performance viewer and all of the sudden the computer crashed when I clicked on an IE link. Seems to happen on IE a lot. Music stopped on Itunes, but the visualization kept going. Performance viewer showed a few processor spikes. It was generally around 30 and jumped to about 60 a few times then back to 30 but after the spikes the hard drive activity and page activity stopped altogether (processor kept running). Itunes minimized, num lock worked, then when I tried to close something the processor activity dropped to nothing then it completely froze. I know the computer crashes with other programs or without but this is just strange.

    Vaillantf1,

    What exact gear do you have?
  7. Vaillantf1

    Vaillantf1 TS Rookie

    Specs

    Plextor 716SA
    1 WD Raptor 74GB Sata
    2 WD 200GB Sata (Mirror)
    2 Gigabyte 6800GT (SLI Mode)
    3.2Ghz 2MB
    2x 512MB RAM Corsair
    PSU Vantec 520W
    P5ND2-SLI Deluxe
    Windows XP Pro.

    The problem is now bigger. The last time it froze, I rebooted and discovered that the onboard component (the internal Intel NIC) and all PCI devices are not detected by Windows XP Pro. Got me to re-install Windows XP Pro., but still without success. Updated the BIOS to 0802 and cleared the BIOS using the jumper. Same issue.

    The weird part is that the system is working perfectly now without these components, BUT I still need these. I opened a case with Asus, I am waiting for feedback. Maybe there was something defective with these components... I believe there something wrong with all P5ND2 motherboards.... if you look at the forums, there's lots and lots of problems related to it.
  8. whitesealstudio

    whitesealstudio TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 30

    Maybe the Northbridge is bad? Its close to the hottest part of my entire computer system. I've reinstalled xp pro with the cd drivers and it hasn't crashed for 2 days. I just left it on so the only drivers installed are my network drivers and my display drivers. It leads me to think I might have a software incompatibility. It doesn't make sense but then again ever since I have build this box nothing has.
  9. i_need_answers

    i_need_answers TS Rookie Posts: 144

    One thing you might can do to test your hardware is download a Linux Live cd such as Knoppix or SUSE if your handy with that kind of stuff. All you have to do is download the ISO and burn it to a cd in ISO mode. Then reboot into Knoppix live and leave your computer on for a while. That might help you troubleshoot if its software because you're running off a cd or dvd.
    Hope you get it solved,
    Jonathan
  10. thomas644

    thomas644 TS Rookie

    I don't know if this will help, go to Tomshardware guide. They were running test on the Intel and Amd CPUs. They had stability problems with Nvidia SLI and had to switch to an Intel Motherboard to solve the problem. Hope this helps.
  11. whitesealstudio

    whitesealstudio TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 30

    Problem solved.

    Wasn't hardware related whatsoever. I started with a fresh install of Windows, updated my drivers, updated Windows and my pc was on for a day without any issues .(while I was baking at the shore) First thing I installed when I got back was Norton systemworks and NIS. Upon live update computer froze. I called Asus for a RMA then decided I'll try uninstalling NIS and NSW completly. Been running all day without any crashes.
    Running regular SATA didn't give me any problems but running RAID 0 did. So I assume the nvidia raid drivers and Norton do not agree with one another. (Nvidia needs to get their stuff together)
    Thank you everyone for all your input.

    Seems Zephead was kinda right. Thanks!
     
  12. LostBok

    LostBok TS Rookie

    whiteseal - what mouse & keyboard have you got? Make, model and connection (ps2/USB?).

    same question to anybody else with temporary freeze probs.

    I've been looking at a several threads around on the net - mostly wrt to AMD64/nF4 systems and looking for a recurring theme... the mouse is my lead...
  13. whitesealstudio

    whitesealstudio TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 30

    Lostbok,

    I have the Logitech Mx518 with a Logitech Elite or something Keyboard (Both USB) but I haven't had any problems with either of those. I've been up and running for months now and glad I rid myself of Norton Antivirus because that was the cause of all my problems. Ever since I switched to Avast my machine has been running perfect.

    Thanks
  14. zephead

    zephead TechSpot Paladin Posts: 2,483

    not the first time NIS/NAV causeds problems for someone...that's why i use and reccomend avg free/sygate personal firewall
  15. LostBok

    LostBok TS Rookie

    Okay - must be a different problem... I'm not running ANY Norton software at all - and I'm using McAfee AV.

    I've avoided Norton System "Anything" since about 1997 when it had a tendancy to fry any OS that wasn't 100% standard. I remember it utterly killing a seriously customised NT4 build (with DirectX) on my dual P2-392Mhz.

    Back to the matter in hand: After mucking about the last three months and running for anything up to a week with most of the system components disabled, including all IDE channels (all optical drives), firewire, one NIC, then the other, I've even tried building my OS on one of the single SATA drives and also on an old IDE drive (and disabling all SATA devices)... absolutely nothign seemed to work.

    I've stopped using my Logitech MX700 and the freezes have now stopped :(

    I have got an "old" Desktop MX base station (where the keyboard exploded after too much caffeine intake) that I might try using as that has a PS/2 mouse connection and I know this mouse will connect to it (desktop MX uses the same rechargable MX700 mouse).
  16. whitesealstudio

    whitesealstudio TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 30

    This is a stupid question but have you checked Logitech's forums for anyone with similar problems? Have you tried other usb devices to see if they freeze up the system as well? If you installed the Logitech drivers have you tried just using Windows drivers for the mouse as well? I've never experianced any lock up problems except on a past machine with a logitech keyboard. The logitech keyboard software was causing shut down issues but was fixed with an update.
  17. AnDyMaNN

    AnDyMaNN TS Rookie

    P5ND2 SLI Deluxe

    just wondering if any one can help.

    Got a water cooled system decided to upgrade my graphics to gigabyte 6600gt 256de passive cooled, stripped the cards down put them in the system with the waterblocks on, fired up and changed the drivers....no problem, trouble is when ever i try to get 3d rendering out of the cards they send my pc in to blue sceen mode, cant play games cant run 3d mark. Trouble is the cards work in every way on my asrock test board. if anybody needs model numbers let me know.

    Thanks in advance.
  18. zephead

    zephead TechSpot Paladin Posts: 2,483

  19. Mega

    Mega TS Rookie

    I experience the same problem my system was running stable with norton until I used sata raid0. Took me 5 days to figure it was norton nis and your post confirms it thanks. Now I can transfer 11gigs of stuff on the raid 0 without freezing.

    http://forums.ocworkbench.com/bbs/c...ore-optimizer-crashes-your-machine-54499.html
    This site says amd dc optimizer + antivirus+ sata raid = freeze
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