Thoughts on Vista/What is Your Problem With Vista
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SNGX1275
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When they get my video issues fixed (only the 97.whatever drivers work properly) I won't have anything to complain about. There were a few things that I didn't know how to do properly when I first was running it, but it didn't keep me from liking it, I just had to learn a new way to do it.
For example, if you copy a folder (X) or files from 1 folder (X) to another(Y), in XP if you drag it(X) over as long as you aren't hovering over a folder(Z) inside of Y it copies to Y. In Vista, if you do that you'll end up putting it in Z because anywhere along that horizontal line functions as a drop spot for X. But in Vista there is about a 1" space at the bottom of the folders that you can drag to.
I looked for over a day through page after page on neowin's forums trying to find a post someone made that contained quotes from people on that board. The all had the OS names removed, but read exactly like what people are saying about Vista, but instead they were compiled from quotes taken from XP and before. It was a very interesting read, especially people complaining about the required 'specs'.
For example, if you copy a folder (X) or files from 1 folder (X) to another(Y), in XP if you drag it(X) over as long as you aren't hovering over a folder(Z) inside of Y it copies to Y. In Vista, if you do that you'll end up putting it in Z because anywhere along that horizontal line functions as a drop spot for X. But in Vista there is about a 1" space at the bottom of the folders that you can drag to.
I looked for over a day through page after page on neowin's forums trying to find a post someone made that contained quotes from people on that board. The all had the OS names removed, but read exactly like what people are saying about Vista, but instead they were compiled from quotes taken from XP and before. It was a very interesting read, especially people complaining about the required 'specs'.
LinkedKube
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I ran Vista when it was released in beta then tried retail to see if would change, it didnt. I dontl like it.
Phantasm66
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wolfram said:If you turn them off, what's the point of using Vista?XP is more than enough
Well, the point would be that Vista is much more than just the new visual effects..... haven't you been keeping up??
LinkedKube
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Phantasm66 said:
Are you speaking of the work group application thing Vista allows you to do, or the cool tab thing to see all you internet windows. Vista really doesnt offer much to the average consumer that xp wont do. Even more, what $ of poeple that are buying computers actually know what half of anything is on a pc anyway. Maybe when srv pack 1 is out it will be better. Lets hope.
Phantasm66
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Somehow supersmashbrada I don't think there is going to be any convincing you.... Well, its your choice after all. I still maintain though that Vista is a welcome update to Windows and I've yet to hear any argument that makes me think otherwise.
LinkedKube
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OH, I think its a welcoming update to xp, but its demanding, more so than the average customer. That's all I'm saying and I'm sure you agree.
Phantasm66
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But its (slightly) more demanding because hardware is always getting better. Man, you can get a killer machine now for next to nothing. The cheapest laptop you can find has a processor that performs as well as a supercomputer used to not that long ago. Hardware is getting better, so we need better software to take advantage of that.
I thought everyone knew that....??
I thought everyone knew that....??
JimShady23
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time will change all
It took some of us years to transform over to XP from 2000. I guarantee that the same people that detested XP at its release are the same people that are saying that they 'love" XP and detest Vista, but that is expected. We have used XP for over 5 year, for the people that are only 15-16 it is the only OS that they have ever known. It is what we know and what we trust and yes change is hard for a lot of people, it requires us to learn something we use on a day to day basis all over again. Routine in the human mind is comforting; it gives us a scenes of security.
It will be only a matter of time before people are required to make the switch.
It is something that you can not avoid if you want to keep up with the times.
It took some of us years to transform over to XP from 2000. I guarantee that the same people that detested XP at its release are the same people that are saying that they 'love" XP and detest Vista, but that is expected. We have used XP for over 5 year, for the people that are only 15-16 it is the only OS that they have ever known. It is what we know and what we trust and yes change is hard for a lot of people, it requires us to learn something we use on a day to day basis all over again. Routine in the human mind is comforting; it gives us a scenes of security.
It will be only a matter of time before people are required to make the switch.
It is something that you can not avoid if you want to keep up with the times.
LinkedKube
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I guess it comes down to what's necessary for what you're trying to do, yeah a graphing calculator today has more processing power than the first computers, and yes well all know that stuff. But What I'm saying is that manufacturers arent giving the hardware to run vista at consumer prices. So many people are going for the 499 deals from dell, dell throws Vista on them because its the fad, and people then wonder why they are dissatisfied, ok I'm done with this. I have some gaming to do. cheers
vnf4ultra
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That would be one of my "problems with vista."
Not to mention the "your graphics adapter has stopped responding so windows has reset it" which occurs in endless loops and requires a complete reboot.
I've also freqently seen a problem where "data execution prevention" crashes the gadget sidebar, strange.
But I do like vista, I believe the problems I have/had are the result of poorly written software and/or drivers, so I can't really blame microsoft.
That would be one of my "problems with vista."
Not to mention the "your graphics adapter has stopped responding so windows has reset it" which occurs in endless loops and requires a complete reboot.
I've also freqently seen a problem where "data execution prevention" crashes the gadget sidebar, strange.
But I do like vista, I believe the problems I have/had are the result of poorly written software and/or drivers, so I can't really blame microsoft.
mikescorpio81
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Good post ... I do have a few problems and I'd like to share them with you:
It's not as simple as "get over it". It is coming standard on most new PC's these days. "Get over it" doesn't cut it to my clients when they buy new laptops with Vista on it and all their programs do not work. Nor does it ease the pain of home users whose modems and routers do not work because they're still aren't drivers available. HP and Dell are among the only few to have had drivers for XP available for all their newer PC's if you wanted to downgrade Vista to XP. Sounds like killing off the competition to me!
All my clients, whether large or small are in some sort of networked environment and use specialised and/or easily available software. Fact is though, that hardly any of it works with Vista. I have downgraded so many new PC's to XP from Vista because of non-compatibility with softawre and hardware.
Everything you use may work well, but so far nearly all the specialised programs my clients use does not. Bloomberg doesn't even work, neither does programs like AutoCAD and specialised programs that I won't even go into (some to do with Customs, others are databases back-boned with programs such as ACT! or Oracle, there are heaps out there).
I do remember when XP first came out ... can anyone remember XP Pro before SP1? You couldn't put the PC into Stand-By and it was missing the most important feature that we pay extra for ... join a Domain!!
Once again, for such a large install, it amazes me that all the drivers included in WinXP were not included with Vista.
Because my clients have problems with Vista, I have problems! :grinthumb
Phantasm66 said:
It's not as simple as "get over it". It is coming standard on most new PC's these days. "Get over it" doesn't cut it to my clients when they buy new laptops with Vista on it and all their programs do not work. Nor does it ease the pain of home users whose modems and routers do not work because they're still aren't drivers available. HP and Dell are among the only few to have had drivers for XP available for all their newer PC's if you wanted to downgrade Vista to XP. Sounds like killing off the competition to me!
All my clients, whether large or small are in some sort of networked environment and use specialised and/or easily available software. Fact is though, that hardly any of it works with Vista. I have downgraded so many new PC's to XP from Vista because of non-compatibility with softawre and hardware.
Phantasm66 said:
Everything you use may work well, but so far nearly all the specialised programs my clients use does not. Bloomberg doesn't even work, neither does programs like AutoCAD and specialised programs that I won't even go into (some to do with Customs, others are databases back-boned with programs such as ACT! or Oracle, there are heaps out there).
I do remember when XP first came out ... can anyone remember XP Pro before SP1? You couldn't put the PC into Stand-By and it was missing the most important feature that we pay extra for ... join a Domain!!
Once again, for such a large install, it amazes me that all the drivers included in WinXP were not included with Vista.
Because my clients have problems with Vista, I have problems! :grinthumb
Well, next best thing to that is getting a full licenced copy of Vista Ultimate for free.
Joys of working in the industry.
I have been looking into Vista and past the obvious teething problems of driver and hardware incompatibilities, it does seem to posses a few neat features like the integrated self-tuning and diagnostics features, superfetch, automatic defrag, and the readyboost feature (something that will be most useful to people running Vista on a lower-spec PC I'm sure.)
Joys of working in the industry.
I have been looking into Vista and past the obvious teething problems of driver and hardware incompatibilities, it does seem to posses a few neat features like the integrated self-tuning and diagnostics features, superfetch, automatic defrag, and the readyboost feature (something that will be most useful to people running Vista on a lower-spec PC I'm sure.)
Phantasm66
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Oh, I'm not for one minute suggesting that EVERYONE upgrade to Vista immediately.... Obviously some people are going to have to wait for certain software and drivers to catch up. But its the rubbishing of the product for no good reason that I find baseless.
That said, mikescorpio81, you make some good points. This was the kind of comment I was hoping for.
That said, mikescorpio81, you make some good points. This was the kind of comment I was hoping for.
Phantasm66
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That would be one of my "problems with vista."
My experience so far has included none of these problems, the OS has been nothing but stable.
More likely to be a problem with the drivers as opposed to Vista itself.... hardly Microsoft's fault if the drivers need work.
For me, Vista is simply irrelevant. If you love it, then, fine, go for it, but I have no idea what advantages it would offer me, compared with XP.
I don't believe for a second that Vista is "all new," as Microsoft claims--except, perhaps, for the DRM ("Digital Restriction Malware")--which can hardly be called a "selling point," can it?
If you're old enough, you may remember how Microsoft kept repeating that Windows 95 was an "all new, full 32-bit Operating System" that didn't rely on any old, 16-bit DOS code, except to run 16-bit applications. Well, that claim was soon debunked--Windows 95 was just the same old DOS, with a new, pretty face tacked on to its Windows component, and with 32-bit support added after the facts. This "all new" Vista story sounds just like the Windows 95 scam to me: it has a nice, new interface, alright, but under the covers, I don't believe it's "new" at all.
Also, it's expensive. And, if I have to learn a new user interface anyway, then wouldn't it be a good idea to look at cheaper alternatives? In fact, I'm currently running Ubuntu 7.04, and I like it--that's another reason why I'm not exactly anxious to migrate to Vista anytime soon.
Then there's the dreaded "Reduced Functionality" mode; from a system as expensive as Vista, it's an offense that it may decide to lock you out if you decide to replace just the "wrong" piece of hardware. What a feature: "Reduced Functionality" mode! It's WGPAA ("Windows Genuine Product deActivation disAdvantage") taken at least two steps too far.
Furthermore, Microsoft keeps bragging about Vista as being "the most secure Windows" ever... Ha! They said the exact same thing about XP, remember? I just don't believe them--no way.
Again, if you like Vista, then that's fine with me; to me, it's simply irrelevant.
I don't believe for a second that Vista is "all new," as Microsoft claims--except, perhaps, for the DRM ("Digital Restriction Malware")--which can hardly be called a "selling point," can it?
If you're old enough, you may remember how Microsoft kept repeating that Windows 95 was an "all new, full 32-bit Operating System" that didn't rely on any old, 16-bit DOS code, except to run 16-bit applications. Well, that claim was soon debunked--Windows 95 was just the same old DOS, with a new, pretty face tacked on to its Windows component, and with 32-bit support added after the facts. This "all new" Vista story sounds just like the Windows 95 scam to me: it has a nice, new interface, alright, but under the covers, I don't believe it's "new" at all.
Also, it's expensive. And, if I have to learn a new user interface anyway, then wouldn't it be a good idea to look at cheaper alternatives? In fact, I'm currently running Ubuntu 7.04, and I like it--that's another reason why I'm not exactly anxious to migrate to Vista anytime soon.
Then there's the dreaded "Reduced Functionality" mode; from a system as expensive as Vista, it's an offense that it may decide to lock you out if you decide to replace just the "wrong" piece of hardware. What a feature: "Reduced Functionality" mode! It's WGPAA ("Windows Genuine Product deActivation disAdvantage") taken at least two steps too far.
Furthermore, Microsoft keeps bragging about Vista as being "the most secure Windows" ever... Ha! They said the exact same thing about XP, remember? I just don't believe them--no way.
Again, if you like Vista, then that's fine with me; to me, it's simply irrelevant.
halo71
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Well one thing that I am not happy with so far is that it takes forever for Vista to shutdown. Although I did manage to set up a Linksys wireless cable router lastnight without any problems whatsoever. While I had some problems a while back with doing the same on an Xp laptop. Maybe its the OS, maybe it's just dumb luck?!?
well i didnt havent yet tried on my Pc..lol
but i had used it on my friends laptop..
and it looks cool..same waz the problem wid Win XP when it came out but..soon thing became easier..and all softwares and games came out for XP...update patches, drivers all that stuff.
but the difference is that it is more secure..as Xp waz than 98 or 2000..etc..
so..i will be installing it today..and reply this topic after somedays ..and tell abt my experience.more.
thnakx
but i had used it on my friends laptop..
and it looks cool..same waz the problem wid Win XP when it came out but..soon thing became easier..and all softwares and games came out for XP...update patches, drivers all that stuff.
but the difference is that it is more secure..as Xp waz than 98 or 2000..etc..
so..i will be installing it today..and reply this topic after somedays ..and tell abt my experience.more.
thnakx
dnt undastnd a thng u sed m8?
Rage_3K_Moiz
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Vista is great for the average user and is way more user-friendly. Most people here don't like it 'coz of shoddy driver support for NVIDIA/ATi videocards since most of them are gamers. Plus it eats a lot of RAM. Sure, desktop RAM is real cheap nowadays, but laptop RAM is not. So for lappies, XP is a better option. Vista on a desktop PC for the average computer user who likes to surf the net, download songs to their iPod, listen to music and watch movies/videos is perfect. It has all the packagings of a Media Center OS. Now only if they reduced the price, like they're gonna do for XP and Office in China (Read here). Vista for $3! W00t!!! :grinthumb
wolfram
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Rage said:
Exactly Rage :giddy: I'm a gamer, and Vista simply is not that good at games (yet).
Plus, I'd have to pay a lot to get a decent version. (Vista Basic is just stupid).
And since DX10 may be "ported" to XP, there will be absolutely no reason to use Vista.
Until XP gets completely phased out, I'm not going to use Vista.
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