Pakistan lifts YouTube ban, reinstates ban minutes later

By on December 31, 2012, 1:00 PM

When YouTube refused to take down a controversial video called "Innocence of Muslims" this summer, a small number of violent protests were sparked. Pakistani officials reacted by imposing a country-wide block of YouTube. According to the New York Times, YouTube was made available for only three minutes before Pakistani officials pulled the plug once more. According to other, unverified accounts, YouTube access may have lasted up to 90 minutes -- something which may be confirmed by Google's Transparency Report.

In addition to interior minster Rehman Malik indicating that the YouTube ban would be rescinded, Malik tweeted about a new effort to crack down on pornographic and blasphemous material. "PTA is finalizing negotations [sic] for acquiring a powerful firewall software to totally block pornographic and blasphemous material.he wrote on Dec 28. PTA is the Pakistani Telecommunications Authority.

Following Malik's hints that the ban would be repealed before New Year's day, access to YouTube flickered on for the first time in months -- even if only for a brief period of time. Shortly afterward though, Prime Minister Raja Pervez Ashraf reinstated the block, reportedly yielding to public pressure.

According to the NY Times, some prominent Pakistanis voiced concerns that blasphemous material still made available on YouTube, a discovery that should seem unsurprising to veteran YouTubers. Presumably though, officials may have expected their new "powerful" anti-porn and anti-blasphemy filters to block access to disagreeable areas of YouTube -- a feat which these technologies apparently failed to deliver.

It's unknown when or even if the ban will be lifted once again, but until then, Internet users in Pakistan will have to endure alternate methods of accessing YouTube such as VPN services or TOR.




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Puiu Puiu said:

If you don't like it don't watch it. I know religion is very necessary in our world but I can' help to find things like this idiotic and almost barbaric in nature with people responding with unnatural hate driven only by the need of the masses to have a reason to cause chaos in the name of the God they believe in...

When will religion step out of the Dark Ages and embrace the present and future?

NTAPRO NTAPRO said:

Successful troll is successful

captaincranky captaincranky, TechSpot Addict, said:

If you don't like it don't watch it.
Sometimes easier said than done.

"Go ask Alex, I think he'll know"!

(That's an intended pun, sung to the tune of the Jefferson Airplane's, "White Rabbit" .

I know religion is very necessary in our world but I can' help to find things like this *****ic and almost barbaric in nature with people responding with unnatural hate driven only by the need of the masses to have a reason to cause chaos in the name of the God they believe in...
Nonsense! Religion performs two discreet functions. It enables the formation of tyrannical fundamentalist states, using "God", as the scapegoat. It grants individuals private refuge from tyrannical fundamentalist states. (Just remember though, for you own well being, don't pray to anyone other than the prevailing god in public).

When will religion step out of the Dark Ages and embrace the present and future?
Dude, small steps! Why the hurry? Actually, the Spanish Inquisition didn't formally end until 1834...:eek:

The Inquisition was definitively abolished on July 15, 1834, by a Royal Decree signed by regent Maria Christina of the Two Sicilies, Ferdinand VII's liberal widow, during the minority of Isabella II and with the approval of the President of the Cabinet Francisco Martínez de la Rosa.

Of course, "The Alhambra Decree", hung on a bit longer, until 1968....

The Alhambra Decree (also known as the Edict of Expulsion) was an edict issued on 31 March 1492 by the joint Catholic Monarchs of Spain (Isabella I of Castile and Ferdinand II of Aragon) ordering the expulsion of Jews from the Kingdoms of Castile and Aragon (not from the Kingdom of Navarre) and its territories and possessions by 31 July of that year.[1]

The edict was formally revoked on 16 December 1968,[2] following the Second Vatican Council. Today, the number of Jews in Spain is estimated at 50,000.[3]

cliffordcooley cliffordcooley, TechSpot Paladin, said:

When will religion step out of the Dark Ages and embrace the present and future?
If you go out of your way to change religion, then you lose perspective of what it was you believed in the first place. Religious beliefs do not change simply because people want them too. Religious beliefs of today have become nothing more than a hundreds of rumors floating around and none of them are worth following. This is due to religious beliefs changing over the centuries and becoming useless.

captaincranky captaincranky, TechSpot Addict, said:

If you go out of your way to change religion, then you lose perspective of what it was you believed in the first place. Religious beliefs do not change simply because people want them too. Religious beliefs of today have become nothing more than a hundreds of rumors floating around and none of them are worth following. This is due to religious beliefs changing over the centuries and becoming useless.
This reads as though you think "Religious beliefs" were substantially true in the first place. Religion is, has been, and always will be, unsubstantiated rumor and superstition. Well that, and a convenient way to hold the masses in check through fear of unprovable reward or punishment. Or as I like to call it, "the once and future B***S*** story". I'll be off now, to say my prayers to Odin, Ra, Zeus, and a few others.

Religion has always been a motivating factor for human cause of action, just or otherwise. And remember, no matter which side's army you ask in a war, God will surely be with them.

Or as Mick Jagger so eloquently put it,

"I watched with glee, as your kings and queens, fought for ten decades, o'er the gods they made".

cliffordcooley cliffordcooley, TechSpot Paladin, said:

This reads as though you think "Religious beliefs" were substantially true in the first place.
Yes, you are correct. That is my stance on the topic.

1 person liked this | captaincranky captaincranky, TechSpot Addict, said:

Yes, you are correct. That is my stance on the topic.
Which of the olden, "paths of righteousness" should we embrace first, chastity belts for birth control, or human sacrifice for a good crop?

Here's the Wiki page on the Spanish Inquisition". Those techniques would get us headed back toward "good old fashioned family values"....

1 person liked this | cliffordcooley cliffordcooley, TechSpot Paladin, said:

Which of the olden, "paths of righteousness" should we embrace first, chastity belts for birth control, or human sacrifice for a good crop?
First off these examples are ridiculous. Secondly, I'm not gonna get into this with you. You did notice how short I made my last comment. I know there is nothing I can say to you to convince you otherwise, so I'm not even gonna try. You should do the same and not even try to convince me.

captaincranky captaincranky, TechSpot Addict, said:

First off these examples are ridiculous. Secondly, I'm not gonna get into this with you. You did notice how short I made my last comment. I know there is nothing I can say to you to convince you otherwise, so I'm not even gonna try. You should do the same and not even try to convince me.
Are they really? I forgot this link on the last pass: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_inquisition

And this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salem_witch_trials

And this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusades

So, gee willikers Cliff, I doubt any of that will convince you of religion's "relative merit". Why would you be believing I'm thinking I could?

And for those of you who'd like to be a bit closer to their "god": [link]

Tygerstrike said:

The major problem here is the fact that religion in that region is a dominating life philosophy. Used to keep ppl who are uneducated and poor under control. Its the "lifeline" for ppl who have nothing. They think, that if they suffer on earth that there is a reward for them in heaven. They need religion to keep going. Add on to it the fact that the people over there are normally part of a sect or clan and its disaster when something comes along and disrupts thier religious "peace".

The reason they dont want Youtube, is simple. If they see other ppl doing acts that go against thier personal religious beliefs, and not being struck down by thier God, they lose control. That is why. Period.

I guess the ppl in power in Pakistan must really fear the rest of the world because we get the benifits of education and the will to live out our lives as we see fit. Not shackled under some highly archaic belief structure that demands obedience to a unseen and unknowable entity that lives in the sky and grants wishes.....

1 person liked this | captaincranky captaincranky, TechSpot Addict, said:

I guess the ppl in power in Pakistan must really fear the rest of the world because we get the benifits of education and the will to live out our lives as we see fit. Not shackled under some highly archaic belief structure that demands obedience to a unseen and unknowable entity that lives in the sky and grants wishes.....
The best part of the hype, (bamboozle(?)), is, there's nobody home to grant wishes. Yet, people believe if they don't get their wish, it was because God deemed them "unworthy".

And ex girlfriend explained it like this, "God answers all prayers, sometimes the answer is no"!:oops: To which I replied, "oy vey"!

Hasbean said:

The present incumbent is as corrupt as any in the west. He over-ruled the restoration of access, not due to any religious conviction but to bolster his political standing with the un-educated masses who were incited to feverish levels by his presstitutes.

SumthinSacred said:

Nothing good comes out of repression of the masses by closing their minds without their will. I'm not speaking on religion and nor do I care for any.

Pan Wah said:

Nothing good comes out of repression of the masses by closing their minds without their will. I'm not speaking on religion and nor do I care for any.

Huh?!

m4a4 m4a4 said:

Hahaha, some of you call religious people bigoted for believing in a "God" yet you sound just as bigoted as they do when you claim there can be no such thing. My faith in humanity is restored /endSarcasm

But seriously, ever thought about how scientifically impossible it would be for life to have formed from chaos? It makes intelligent design look pretty believable...

m4a4 m4a4 said:

But anyways, this is what happens when you let radical muslims (well anyone radical) run a country. You get freedoms taken away like they are children. I wouldn't be surprised if they are forcing their people from fleeing this absurdity...

ikesmasher said:

Man every time a topic hints the slightest bit of religion people start ranting.

captaincranky captaincranky, TechSpot Addict, said:

Man every time a topic hints the slightest bit of religion people start ranting.
Now if you'll be so kind as to indulge me......"but wait, there's more"...!

But seriously, ever thought about how scientifically impossible it would be for life to have formed from chaos? It makes intelligent design look pretty believable...

"On the 6th day God created man in his own image"! Have you ever wondered the degree of egomania, hubris, and self delusion it took to pen those words?

Go with Darwin, or go home! Even LaMarc, long ago dismissed as a crackpot: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamarckism succeeds in making more sense than "intelligent design".

So save the intelligent design "theory", for some people you might be able get over on with it. Like say the backwoods of Appalachia.

If you keep saying the words, "I'm made in God's image", over and over, it doesn't even provide an acceptable rhythm for pleasuring one's self.....(n)

m4a4 m4a4 said:

But seriously, ever thought about how scientifically impossible it would be for life to have formed from chaos? It makes intelligent design look pretty believable...

"On the 6th day God created man in his own image"! Have you ever wondered the degree of egomania, hubris, and self delusion it took to pen those words?

And save the intelligent design "theory", for some people you might be able get over on with it. Like say the backwoods of Appalachia.

If you keep saying the words, "I'm made in God's image", over and over, it doesn't even provide an acceptable rhythm for pleasuring one's self.....(n)

And yet I still have to wait for your reply about "how scientifically impossible it would be for life to have formed from chaos?". You avoid that as if you have no logical answer...

captaincranky captaincranky, TechSpot Addict, said:

And yet I still have to wait for your reply about "how scientifically impossible it would be for life to have formed from chaos?". You avoid that as if you have no logical answer...
The answer is rapidly "evolving" (pun intended), in the field of biochemistry. The Bible simply tells us, "because it happened". "Because", is an answer that really hasn't worked on me, since I was about seven. Accordingly, you have no proof of your point either.

Now, I could spend the rest of my evening in several ways.

One, investigate laboratory findings on the environmental and chemical conditions required for spontaneous protein synthesis.

Or two, find a bible to thump on until I think I know the answer to just about everything....:oops:

But, I'm going with what's behind "door #3", and that would be, in lieu of continuing this pointless diatribe on the validity of your superstitions, instead I'll check out the glorious biological triumph of the Caucasus and Ural mountain regions, naked Russian girls, in all their blue eyed, blond haired, long legged, small breasted, genetically recessive, glory.

I suggest you make "productive" use of your time and recite about a thousand, "Hail Marys".

If you get bored with that, produce a hypothesis about where the infinitely dense point of energy that became the known universe came from in the first place. Here's a start, "on the day Earth minus one, god created the blob that would later become the known universe, in his own image"! Amen to that, huh?

m4a4 m4a4 said:

And yet I still have to wait for your reply about "how scientifically impossible it would be for life to have formed from chaos?". You avoid that as if you have no logical answer...
The answer is rapidly "evolving" (pun intended), in the field of biochemistry. The Bible simply tells us, "because it happened". "Because", is an answer that really hasn't worked on me, since I was about seven. So, you have no proof of your point either.

Now, I could spend the rest of my evening in several ways.

Investigate laboratory findings on the environmental conditions required for spontaneous protein synthesis.

Or two, find a bible to thump on until I think Iknow the answer to just about everything....:oops:

But, I'm going with what;s behind "door #3", and that wold be, in lieu of continuing this pointless diatribe on the validity of your superstitions, and check out the glorious biological triumph of the Caucasus and Ural mountain regions, naked Russian girls, in all their blue eyed, long legged, small breasted, and recessive genetic glory.

I suggest you make "productive" use of your time and recite about a thousand "Hail Marys".

If you get bored with that, produce a hypothesis about where the infinitely dense point of energy that became the known universe came from in the first place. Here's a start, "One the day Earth minus one, god created the blob that would later become the known univrese, in his own image"! Amen to that, huh?

Hehehe, so you don't know. You could've just said that.

Here, let me help you understand how shaky your footing is: [link]

The article above actually summarizes everything I was just about to type. But lucky for you, this is easier :P

Lets just say that it takes more faith for you to believe that life was created by chance (what was it? Scientifically impossible to the power of 250 was the chance that would happen?), compared to an all powerful being creating everything needed (for you, I will call it scientifically impossible).

Have fun irrationally believing the first...

captaincranky captaincranky, TechSpot Addict, said:

Lets just say that it takes more faith for you to believe that life was created by chance
So,."faith" IS the issue? And unless I'm misunderstanding you, "your faith is better than my faith". Spare me. Now run along and read the Book of Job. (Some people like it, although as mystical horse crap goes, I thought the "Harry Potter" stuff was much better).

m4a4 m4a4 said:

So,."faith" IS the issue? And unless I'm misunderstanding you, "your faith is better than my faith". Spare me. Now run along and read the Book of Job. (Some people like it, although as mystical horse crap goes, I thought the "Harry Potter" stuff was much better).

I'm just pointing out that you have little to no footing to back up your attacks against religion. You say people who have faith in a divine being cannot be right because of Darwin's theory. But when I say you are the one who needs more faith in a "scientific theory", you all of a sudden get offended and back up. Good! I took a troll off guard...

Tygerstrike said:

It will always boil down to what a individual believes. Regardless if that belief is true or not. Its PERSONAL. Yesterdays fiction is tomorrows fact. What one generation holds to be ironclad religious doctrine, the next calls tripe. You can both argue your points, but the reality is very simple. Its what you believe that you have to live by. If it makes you feel better about yourself and your life to believe in a being who lives in the sky and you join him when you die then thats on you. If you choose to believe that everything arose from pure chaos then so be it.

Right here in these posts is the clearest example of the differences in HUMAN opinion and belief. What one person believes, someone else will disagree with.

Personally, IF there is some magical being who grants wishes and holds me accountable after death, THEN I will believe in it as I will have confirmed it myself. Untill then dont you think its kinda silly to sit and argue something that none of you have personally witnessed? Your arguing a belief structure with only a book that has been rewritten well over seven times, and over mathmatical data.

Untill "God" makes an appearence on the 6 oclock news, isnt it all just supposition and wishful thinking?

captaincranky captaincranky, TechSpot Addict, said:

I'm just pointing out that you have little to no footing to back up your attacks against religion. You say people who have faith in a divine being cannot be right because of Darwin's theory. But when I say you are the one who needs more faith in a "scientific theory", you all of a sudden get offended and back up. Good! I took a troll off guard...
As I pointed out, in Genesis, "on the 6th day, God created man in his own image"! (and then of course he rested, ostensibly after his crowning triumph, "man" .

To rephrase that, "man deeply believes he's God's gift to the world". You epitomize that POV, and I'm happy to argue with you all night. As for me being, "taken off guard", that about fits with this rest of your bizarre level of unfounded, unwarranted, self satisfaction.

To so fervently pronounce faith in a "supreme being", to me just signals a lack of self worth as a species, and a complete lack of self confidence in one's ability to do the right thing for one's self, and the rest of the world.

You really lack skills in judgement, if you need to walk around asking yourself, "what would God want me to do in this situation". Or, if you walk around thinking, "God will forgive me for doing this". So no, I'm not ever buying a used car from you, whether it be figurative, "faith based", or literal.

captaincranky captaincranky, TechSpot Addict, said:

Personally, IF there is some magical being who grants wishes and holds me accountable after death, THEN I will believe in it as I will have confirmed it myself. Untill then dont you think its kinda silly to sit and argue something that none of you have personally witnessed? Your arguing a belief structure with only a book that has been rewritten well over seven times, and over mathmatical data.

Untill "God" makes an appearence on the 6 oclock news, isnt it all just supposition and wishful thinking?

Ain't it the truth? And with the advent of an all volunteer army, in an era of the obsolescence of trench warfare, it's even quite difficult to prove the old axiom, "there's no such thing as an atheist in a foxhole".....

m4a4 m4a4 said:

As I pointed out, in Genesis, "on the 6th day, God created man in his own image"! (and then of course he rested, ostensibly after his crowning triumph, "man" .

To rephrase that, "man deeply believes he's God's gift to the world". You epitomize that POV, and I'm happy to argue with you all night. As for me being, "taken off guard", that about fits with this rest of your bizarre level of unfounded, unwarranted, self satisfaction.

To so fervently pronounce faith in a "supreme being", to me just signals a lack of self worth as a species, and a complete lack of self confidence in one's ability to do the right thing for one's self, and the rest of the world.

You really lack skills in judgement, if you need to walk around asking yourself, "what would God want me to do in this situation". Or, if you walk around thinking, "God will forgive me for doing this". So no, I'm not ever buying a used car from you, hether it be figurative, or literal.

And the troll keeps trolling! I'll take queue from Tygerstrike and end this pointless "debate" (since you don't seem to care who's argument has merit). Good day.

captaincranky captaincranky, TechSpot Addict, said:

And the troll keeps trolling! I'll take queue from Tygerstrike and end this pointless "debate" (since you don't seem to care who's argument has merit). Good day.
Well there you go, just pronounce yourself the better man, that's soooo godlike. Why not skip the "tact" altogether and declare, "I'm right and you're wrong, because I said so".

If your reading comprehension skills were a tad better, (never mind, exponentially better), you'd see that Tygerstrike is waiting for "God to appear on the 6 O'clock news" before he believes. That hardly screams, "you're right m4a4, now does it?

There's a job for you. You could make good money being God's press agent. But would it be meet and proper to be paid for that service? Of course it would. The Roman Catholic Church has turned itself into one of the world's most successful business, and they haven't gotten God to appear for one single gig.....:oops:

BTW, the debate ethic I try to adhere to is very simply this, "the first one that starts calling names loses". Calling someone a "troll" amounts to name calling, does it not?

I'd invite you over to finish this discussion, but I'm sore afraid you'd send an army of "conquistadors" to force me to believe.

1 person liked this | Tygerstrike said:

Exactly!! How can anyone argue any points with religion or science without first discovering for themselves whether or not the argument they have is even valid. I know MATH explains to me that the universe can bring order from its own chaos. Have I personally seen it? Kinda. See the last experiment they did in space with salt granuals. I also know that some guy stands up on a podium and tells me Im going to Hell unless God saves me. As he waves his Bible and reads from it. The math is easier to understand and it can be written out and explained. Not so much with the crazy man telling me I need to be saved. When they start giving guided tours of Heaven then there will be some form of proof, atleast to me, that there is a God. Untill then I will continue to exist using the tools I have been born with to explore my world and interact with it. My eyes and ears and Brain.

captaincranky captaincranky, TechSpot Addict, said:

And speaking of, "sacred texts", everybody should try this one on for size:

(Although I dare say you likely have to be at least 55 or so to get that joke..... ).

cliffordcooley cliffordcooley, TechSpot Paladin, said:

The Roman Catholic Church has turned itself into one of the world's most successful business
And thats when they lost their way, or at least when it became evident. When religion turns from being a personal venture of reading the book to a business adventure drawing revenue, ideals and beliefs go out the window.

captaincranky captaincranky, TechSpot Addict, said:

And thats when they lost their way, or at least when it became evident. When religion turns from being a personal venture of reading the book to a business adventure drawing revenue, ideals and beliefs go out the window.
I really think you should amend that statement a bit.

Perhaps, "and that's when they lost their way, or at least when it became evident to a few". Something along those lines.

Although in a dramatic reversal of fortune, nowadays they seem to be paying out almost as much they're taking in.

Back to topic. According to many, Pakistan still, (at least in secret), practices a caste system.

Google search page on the topicv: [link]

Which brings forth the question, are they even ready for the telephone land line, let alone internet and Youtube"?

It might break too many people's heads.

Although, I suppose "Bollywood" video tape rentals wouldn't harm the society as a whole. Now if we could only stop the Pakistani government from pissing their money on nuclear armaments, and get them to give out chits for a few second hand VCRs.

cliffordcooley cliffordcooley, TechSpot Paladin, said:

I really think you should amend that statement a bit.

Perhaps, "and that's when they lost their way, or at least when it became evident to a few". Something along those lines.

Your probably right, I haven't been known to be good with words.

1 person liked this | Pan Wah said:

Hahaha, some of you call religious people bigoted for believing in a "God" yet you sound just as bigoted as they do when you claim there can be no such thing. My faith in humanity is restored /endSarcasm

But seriously, ever thought about how scientifically impossible it would be for life to have formed from chaos? It makes intelligent design look pretty believable...

No. No-one but you has mentioned the concept of belief in God being bigotry, also of course it is scientifically possible for life to have formed in compliance with well-understood principles of Physics. Apart from that, spot on! (y)

m4a4 m4a4 said:

Hahaha, some of you call religious people bigoted for believing in a "God" yet you sound just as bigoted as they do when you claim there can be no such thing. My faith in humanity is restored /endSarcasm

But seriously, ever thought about how scientifically impossible it would be for life to have formed from chaos? It makes intelligent design look pretty believable...

No. No-one but you has mentioned the concept of belief in God being bigotry, also of course it is scientifically possible for life to have formed in compliance with well-understood principles of Physics. Apart from that, spot on! (y)

Here: [link]

Zoltan Head said:

Here: [link]

Yes, what of it?

Pan Wah is right.

captaincranky captaincranky, TechSpot Addict, said:

Here: [link]
We're all just going to flock to some radical website and embrace their teachings, because after all, it's not possible they have an agenda, and everything you read on the web is true...

"May the lord bless you and keep you, make his face shine upon you, and give you peace". For me it would be preferable if he gave your address to every Jehovah's Witness in your state, and they all stopped by to keep you company. Don't forget to recycle the "Watchtower'! (Unless of course you intend keeping them as a reference library).

m4a4 m4a4 said:

Please captaincranky or Zoltan Head, disprove what the guy is getting at on that site. You know, beyond dismissing it because you are too closed minded to even look at it.

Try proving the scientific possibility of life being created from nothing. Then I will take you seriously beyond internet religious trolls.

captaincranky captaincranky, TechSpot Addict, said:

Please captaincranky or Zoltan Head, disprove what the guy is getting at on that site. You know, beyond dismissing it because you are too closed minded to even look at it.

Try proving the scientific possibility of life being created from nothing. Then I will take you seriously beyond internet religious trolls.

I suspect that to gain any traction whatsoever with whatever we might, "bring forth", we'd have to come over to your place, sit in your hedges, and set ourselves on fire.

Last night you were going on about how you were "above arguing about this", and I was "a troll".

But now, the more we disagree, the harder you feel the need to thump your bible at us..

Psychiatrists have speculated the people in olden times could not reconcile their "conscience" as being part of them, but rather believed those voices were, "from God". That puts a tidy bow around what I call, "the Joan of Arc phenomenon". Joanie girl, in this day and age, would probably be diagnosed as "schizophrenic"

(And BTW, the French troops raped her to try and get rid of the whole, "Maid of Orleans", "I'm a virgin, so I'm better than you" annoyance, in advance of executing her).

(BTW, her method of execution was by burning at the stake. I think that was pretty foresighted for the time, as it precludes her being exhumed for a vaginal DNA swab, or a pelvic exam).

Likely Moses too would be deemed, "non compus mentus". however heretical that may sound to you. Burning bush, oh really, did he now? That sort of thing. The only suspension of disbelief you have to make here, is that good, as well as evil, can be accomplished by a mentally defective individual. I don't have trouble making that, "leap of faith".

Which again, "brings forth" the question, "how are the voices in your head hanging"? (I'm sorry, that was mean).

Now, why not take your own advice, and move on?

2 people like this | Ultraman1966 said:

Life wasn't randomly generated which is why m4a4, that Web page is junk. Life follows "rules" of chemistry and physics. Chemical reactions take place in accordance to set principles; the laws of thermodynamics must be obeyed etc.

Let me ask you this, if life, intelligent life was found in another star system with their pantheon of gods, how would you reconcile that with your beliefs?

1 person liked this | captaincranky captaincranky, TechSpot Addict, said:

Life wasn't randomly generated which is why m4a4, that Web page is junk. Life follows "rules" of chemistry and physics. Chemical reactions take place in accordance to set principles; the laws of thermodynamics must be obeyed etc.
OK, I'm going to give you your first like, because I do like this post.

Let me ask you this, if life, intelligent life was found in another star system with their pantheon of gods, how would you reconcile that with your beliefs?
Even being an atheist, I could produce several faith based answers to this. Here's one; "Since we've discovered life on another planet, that only reinforces my belief in an all powerful supreme being. And since I am a mortal man, I cannot know all that is within God's will or power. So perhaps I've underestimated God, and overestimated my understanding of his ways".

It's meet, it's humble and it saves face. I don't believe a stinking word of it, but I can argue either side of the coin flip.

The topic was a slippery slope leading to a powder keg right from the start. "Fundamentalist Islamic government blocks freedom of speech".

Anybody here think that wasn't an accident waiting to happen?

Now, I'm going to ask you, as a gentleman, to please let this discussion die. No further good can come of it, nor any change of outcome will we be able to initiate.

Pan Wah said:

Try proving the scientific possibility of life being created from nothing.

A good scientist would never claim to have proven anything - we leave that to the pseudo-religious half-wits that promote "faith" over information and rigorous testing (and thank you for a good laugh at a bible-basher calling someone closed minded!)

m4a4 m4a4 said:

A good scientist would never claim to have proven anything - we leave that to the pseudo-religious half-wits that promote "faith" over information and rigorous testing (and thank you for a good laugh at a bible-basher calling someone closed minded!)

TRY proving. Cite SOMETHING to counter what was said. But now I'm laughing because you try justifying why you won't be able to do that (over the information and math that was presented. Not faith)... Whatever. I'm done here anyways.

Life wasn't randomly generated which is why m4a4, that Web page is junk. Life follows "rules" of chemistry and physics. Chemical reactions take place in accordance to set principles; the laws of thermodynamics must be obeyed etc.

Let me ask you this, if life, intelligent life was found in another star system with their pantheon of gods, how would you reconcile that with your beliefs?

Wasn't randomly generated? That is basically what I was getting at! Following the rules or not, it would still be scientifically impossible for such "luck" to happen! But I don't care anymore.

Now, I'm going to ask you, as a gentleman, to please let this discussion die. No further good can come of it, nor any change of outcome will we be able to initiate

Sounds about right. It's not (and usually never is) a discussion for the internets anyways...

Oh, and if other intelligent life was found out in space (or even plant life), it wouldn't fit most of the religions/beliefs (besides the ones like Gaia). I for one wouldn't believe as it wouldn't seem logical. But for now, I personally believe there is no life beyond Earth...

1 person liked this | Tygerstrike said:

@m4a4

What would it matter what they attempt to show you. Your belief structure is so rigid as to not accept anything that doesnt fall into your world view. So no matter how hard they try you will never understand thier viewpoint because you cant. Its just not how you are wired. Thats understandable in some areas, but you cant just sit there and thump your religion and say "believe dammit!" and that will happen. The great part about being a HUMAN creature is that we get to THINK for ourselves.

1 person liked this | Doctor John Doctor John said:

TRY proving. Cite SOMETHING to counter what was said. But now I'm laughing because you try justifying why you won't be able to do that (over the information and math that was presented. Not faith)...

Silly person. The previous poster just told you why it is meaningless to claim to "prove" anything, but you apparently can't listen to or understand anything! Why nobody can "prove" anything is already justified by the scientific method, that nothing is certain or sacred, everything can be questioned, tested, and investigated. If science didn't work, you wouldn't be reading this - QED. Also, no information or "math" was presented, only a link to a load of irrational dross.

And yes, I know you have both fingers in your ears and are singing loudly, it's fine, I don't require a reply. :p

captaincranky captaincranky, TechSpot Addict, said:

I have a participated in this thread, while giving great thought and consideration to the pitfalls and dangers of its contents! Verily, I say to thee, it has brought me to the brink of agonizing over them!

And now, it has pointed me toward the means by which I will achieve my own "salvation". I'm overcome with rapture as I announce the path toward righteousness I will choose after my "reincarnation".

So, I my next life, I'm going to avoid the s*** that is attendant to these types of pointless, futile discussions, and I will become a "tour guide in a minefield".... Can I get a "Hallelujah"....?

(Even a little one like this, "hallelujah", would be enough to placate me).

(Notice that I wrote that post in a scriptural style. Notice also how many times it took saying, "I", and "me" & "my" to do it! There's a lesson there).

TorturedChaos, TechSpot Chancellor, said:

I need to make some popcorn before I read the rest of these post. This is the most entertaining thing I have read all year. (Although that doesn't set the bar very high since we are only 3 days into this year...).

captaincranky captaincranky, TechSpot Addict, said:

Whatever. I'm done here anyways.

Promises, promises. You said that before......ROFL!

I need to make some popcorn before I read the rest of these post. This is the most entertaining thing I have read all year. (Although that doesn't set the bar very high since we are only 3 days into this year...).
I've seen forums with a custom "popcorn" emoticon for this very reason

One click, an ya got yerself a post. Plus, it's ambiguous enough so that no one can tell if you're enjoying the show, or expressing your disdain....

cliffordcooley cliffordcooley, TechSpot Paladin, said:

But for now, I personally believe there is no life beyond Earth...
What would possibly make you think, God doesn't have another science project else where in the galaxy?

For the record there is proof God exist, but you won't find it attending a dead church. But then why would you attend a church that is ridiculed by the masses? It's your life you can choose to believe or not, I really don't care. We will all pay for our misguided adventures. What I do not believe in is an eternal hell where you will spend the rest of your existence. You see that would mean God is not as forgiving as everyone teaches. What I do believe is that everyone will be purified through what is know as the lake of fire and all impurities will remain in the lake of fire. The amount of punishment will depend upon how long it takes the purification.

  • The Bible speaks of the righteous becoming teachers. Teachers of what or whom may I ask?
  • The Bible speaks of purification stages. Purification stages of what if you are sentenced to eternal hell?

And no I'm not here Bible thumping. If I was doing that, I could most definitely use some practice what I preach. I'm simply here mentioning what I believe and spreading a few questions that would prove a few (or most) religions wrong in there teachings. The Bible also suggest, beware of false prophets. How would you even know, if you don't read (this is my downfall) the text yourself?

And here is something else I believe, the New King James Bible (or the King James) is not the original Bible. Since it was interpreted, I wonder how much of its meaning was lost in translation? You know Google has a real issue with translating one language to another.

captaincranky captaincranky, TechSpot Addict, said:

OK boys and girls, notice that the religious factions have begun fighting amongst themselves!

This is also known as "infighting". It also roughly parallels a period in history known as, "The Reformation".

The central bone of contention,(or perhaps "bones" , was whether the image of Christ should appear on the cross.

The Reformation was led by the famous Martin Luther, from whence cometh the name of the Lutheran Church.

Many famous people have shared part, or all of this name over the ages. Most notably, the arch criminal, "Lex Luthor". (although a slight difference in ethnicty apparently modified the spelling a bit). Well, either that, or the censors wouldn't allow the true Luther, "er" ending spelling.

Stay tuned, and we here at CRNK-TV, will keep you informed, and up to date on this rapidly evolving situation.

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