AI-powered Windows 12 is on its way, but Windows 10 is still king

[Avro Arrow]

Move over Alexa, here comes M$' new desktop assistant:
"Illbebachus"

Has a bit of an Austrian look to it, don't you think?

 

[Hodor]

Has a bit of an Austrian look to it, don't you think?

He'll be back.

 

[Avro Arrow]

He'll be back.

I need a vacation, hasta la vista, baby!

 

[Underdog]

I started with photo editing using JASC Paint Shop Pro. And for the limited purposes I needed it for, it was simpler and much more intuitive than Photoshop. Some frequently used functions that needed like 5 clicks in Photoshop were 1 click in PSP. It was a cheap, small, fast image editor. Not the caliber of Photoshop, but enough for my needs.

Until Corel bought it. Then it became huge, slow and full of bugs. Which is a registered trademark of Corel. So I stopped using it.

I've never used Photoshop Elements so I can't compare.

GIMP was never an alternative to me, because it was.... how to express myself... let's say crappy. It was hard to use, illogically arranged, non-intutive, etc. It had all the opposite attributes from a good app.

But in the last few years it has improved significantly. First, they've learned that one encompassing main window is better than 100 scattered windows through which you see desktop. It took them just 20 years to notice the obvious, so not too long.

Some other functionality is still better, though it has bugs and illogical choices and takes time to get used to it. But the improvement was enough to fulfill my needs. It actually now has less bugs than PSP by Corel, even though GIMP is open source developed by volunteers, while Corel developers are well paid.

Since my first venture into PCs and the internet back in the late 90s I have only ever paid once for any software or OS. 10 UK£ for a copy of Paint Shop Pro 7 which I still use because it is plenty good enough for my needs. I also have Photoshop 6 but for the few clever goodies it offers I don't bother to fire it up. Thankfully there are plenty of free alternatives to the expensive bloated software that is designed for nerds and high end users. I'm still a happy user of W7 with a second drive in the tower loaded with Linux ready to take over if M$ ever finds a way to sabotage W7.
I have found lots of more useful things to spend my money on.

 

[ZedRM]

I started with photo editing using JASC Paint Shop Pro

I still use that program. Granted, it's Corel but still!

 

[ZedRM]

How could it be? Everybody knows Windows 10 was the last edition of Windows ever.

Smart-alec remarks aside, no one within MS is talking about "Windows 12" outside of the crazy rumors floating around.

 

[captaincranky]

Smart-alec remarks aside, no one within MS is talking about "Windows 12" outside of the crazy rumors floating around.

Maybe so but, the "smart alec remark", isn't from me, it was from the mouth of M$ CEO Satya Nadella when he duped y'all into thinking windows 10 was, "free", and it would be the "last edition ever". Yet now, we have the blossoming nightmare that is Windows 11, and it's hardware based. "forced obsolescence".

As for myself, I'll be running Windows 7 until the machines I'm using, fall out from under it.

One problem though, I have the parts on hand for an Intel 12th generation build, which is going to force Windows 10 upon me. It's no small wonder the parts have been sitting in a closet for months.

Although, I did manage to grab a Samsung 970 Evo Plus Nvme 2 TB (!!) from Newegg on a "Shell Shocker" deal yesterday for $120.00. Maybe it might inspire me. Of course it is only PCI-E 3.0, so I doubt it would be good enough to satisfy the, "real computer enthusiasts here". <(You can chalk that, "smart alec remark", up to me).

All things considered, Windows 12 may well be, (at present), as you say, "just a rumor". But have no doubt, it will be coming, and, (a rumor/ opinion of my making), possibly subscription based.

 

[ZedRM]

One problem though, I have the parts on hand for an Intel 12th generation build, which is going to force Windows 10 upon me. It's no small wonder the parts have been sitting in a closet for months.

Just FYI, 12th Gen and Windows 10 do not get along well. If you want to use it, Windows 11 will be your next upgrade.

possibly subscription based.

Not a chance in hell.

 

[captaincranky]

Just FYI, 12th Gen and Windows 10 do not get along well. If you want to use it, Windows 11 will be your next upgrade.

As you may or may not know, I strive for mediocrity, (sorry, I meant "mainstream capability"), in my builds. Since the CPU will be an i3-12100, (run of the mill 4 P cores x 8 threads), I don'r foresee any issues with Win 10..

Not a chance in hell.

Well, at the very least, I envision a much more vigorous push toward cloud computing, which is already, ( in essence), a subscription OS service. When you add the lure of, "AI enhancement", to storage, the line between PC and online computing becomes a bit more blurry..

We haven't really "owned" our OSes since XP and for the most part Windows 7 At windows 10 you get forced updating, co-marketing of other products, and extensive sales of mined data.. Accordingly, in the abstract sense, Windows 11 already is a subscription service, M$ would have to share profits on data they sell belonging to you, to negate that. Of course, that would be an overt admission of guilt on their part.

Adobe still offers Photoshop Elements as a freestanding program. However, they seem to be compressing the time between releases to yearly. So, with the clever addition of "new features", and potent salesmanship, it becomes tacitly, if not de facto, a "subscription service".

 

[Hodor]

We haven't really "owned" our OSes since XP and for the most part Windows 7 At windows 10 you get forced updating, co-marketing of other products, and extensive sales of mined data.. Accordingly, in the abstract sense, Windows 11 already is a subscription service, M$ would have to share profits on data they sell belonging to you, to negate that. Of course, that would be an overt admission of guilt on their part.

But I want an OS that can run when internet is down. Even the slowest modern laptop is too fast and too expensive to be a stupid terminal that only works when it's online. I want my Operating System to Operate even when internet is unavailable, or even unobtainable.

 

[Avro Arrow]

As you may or may not know, I strive for mediocrity, (sorry, I meant "mainstream capability"), in my builds. Since the CPU will be an i3-12100, (run of the mill 4 P cores x 8 threads), I don'r foresee any issues with Win 10..

Well, at the very least, I envision a much more vigorous push toward cloud computing, which is already, ( in essence), a subscription OS service. When you add the lure of, "AI enhancement", to storage, the line between PC and online computing becomes a bit more blurry..

We haven't really "owned" our OSes since XP and for the most part Windows 7 At windows 10 you get forced updating, co-marketing of other products, and extensive sales of mined data.. Accordingly, in the abstract sense, Windows 11 already is a subscription service, M$ would have to share profits on data they sell belonging to you, to negate that. Of course, that would be an overt admission of guilt on their part.

Adobe still offers Photoshop Elements as a freestanding program. However, they seem to be compressing the time between releases to yearly. So, with the clever addition of "new features", and potent salesmanship, it becomes tacitly, if not de facto, a "subscription service".

You should get something called "Spybot Anti-Beacon" because it blocks a lot of the telemetry that M$ tries to collect from you. I've used it for years.

 

[Hodor]

You should get something called "Spybot Anti-Beacon" because it blocks a lot of the telemetry that M$ tries to collect from you. I've used it for years.

Sounds good. Are you sure that Spybot Anti-Beacon isn't sending its own telemetry, since it can record all the keystrokes and screens on your computer?

 

[Avro Arrow]

Sounds good. Are you sure that Spybot Anti-Beacon isn't sending its own telemetry, since it can record all the keystrokes and screens on your computer?

I have no idea but I've used Spybot software for well over a decade and haven't had any problems that I'm aware of. I don't really use Anti-Beacon all that much myself. I put the blocks in long ago and just kinda left it like that. I don't actually run the program itself much (maybe once a month for under a minute) so it couldn't spy on me if it wanted to.

I don't really know how well it works but there's not much out there to compare it to so I figure that something is better than nothing. Spybot has been around for decades as an effective anti-malware tool so I've never really worried about their products.

 

[Hodor]

I have no idea but I've used Spybot software for well over a decade and haven't had any problems that I'm aware of. I don't really use Anti-Beacon all that much myself. I put the blocks in long ago and just kinda left it like that. I don't actually run the program itself much (maybe once a month for under a minute) so it couldn't spy on me if it wanted to.

I don't really know how well it works but there's not much out there to compare it to so I figure that something is better than nothing. Spybot has been around for decades as an effective anti-malware tool so I've never really worried about their products.

Yeah, I also tend to believe older software more than newer. One thinks: "If they didn't discover any problems for so many years, it's probably safe". But in fact, a security issue can easily be added later. I don't know for a fact, but I bet that older versions of GIMP didn't call home for every picture I open or save. That smells like a "new-age" addon.