Amazon founder launches $10 billion Bezos Earth Fund to fight climate change

ShagnWagn

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I trust the consensus of actual scientists studying the sun over the opinions of random people on the internet. If they say that the incoming solar radiation doesn't account for the warming, then I'm inclined to defer to their results.

And BTW, people burn down mansions with cigarette lighters.
You are talking about something I was not relating. You should read the article and then contrast that with what I said. That is, if you were trying to make some sort of point. Hint: The article is talking about funding climate change, not studying the sun.

You know, "climate change" is about to happen here. We are going from winter to spring! LOL
 

Nobina

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I would be interested to hear in what previous era you think we managed to "do things as a collective". AFAIK this was never even remotely true or possible and we are way better at it now than at any other point in history.
Will it be enough to mitigate climate change? Who knows. Sadly we're not quite at Star Trek levels of worldwide human cooperation yet.
Fair point but before we never had something like climate change to deal with.
 
You are talking about something I was not relating. You should read the article and then contrast that with what I said. That is, if you were trying to make some sort of point. Hint: The article is talking about funding climate change, not studying the sun.
The sun delivers all the heat received by this planet. The amount of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere and the overall albedo of the planet determine how much of that heat is trapped and stays here to create the climate, see: Venus.

You said that that Bezos' money should go to studying the sun instead of man made climate change. Sure some of the $ could go to that (lots of $ already does), but we are releasing gases that trap heat on the planet and the planet is accumulating these gases, thus trapping more heat. Hence climate change. Not my opinion, scientific fact.

Seeing as we can't change the Sun, it makes the most sense to spend $ changing the thing we can affect: our greenhouse gas emissions.
 

ShagnWagn

TS Evangelist
LOL but of course that's weather, not climate change.
Incorrect. Weather is day-to-day. I am talking about weather over a long period of time, which is climate.

The sun delivers all the heat received by this planet. The amount of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere and the overall albedo of the planet determine how much of that heat is trapped and stays here to create the climate, see: Venus.

You said that that Bezos' money should go to studying the sun instead of man made climate change. Sure some of the $ could go to that (lots of $ already does), but we are releasing gases that trap heat on the planet and the planet is accumulating these gases, thus trapping more heat. Hence climate change. Not my opinion, scientific fact.

Seeing as we can't change the Sun, it makes the most sense to spend $ changing the thing we can affect: our greenhouse gas emissions.
Do you have the article that supports that a lots of his dollars already does?
I do not deny greenhouse gases, although as I stated before the difference of what fraction of a fraction of a fraction of a percent is how big a difference us lighting a match is in a mansion.

I'm not saying to "change" the sun. I'm saying study it to show that it is the sun itself that is making the climate change everyone is freaking out about... not that is it all because of us and we have to spend trillions of dollars to "fight" it. The sun is on a cycle and what if that cycle flips? Now we need to start burning all the forests and oil to heat the planet back up? Is that more clear?
 
Incorrect. Weather is day-to-day. I am talking about weather over a long period of time, which is climate.
From NASA:
"In most places, weather can change from minute-to-minute, hour-to-hour, day-to-day, and season-to-season."

Seasons, like I mentioned.

From NASA:
"climate is the description of the long-term pattern of weather in a particular area.

Some scientists define climate as the average weather for a particular region and time period, usually taken over 30-years. It's really an average pattern of weather for a particular region."

Climate is at least decades long, if not much longer. But these are minor points.


Do you have the article that supports that a lots of his dollars already does?
I said "lots of $ already does," not lots of his money, but that's also a minor point.
I do not deny greenhouse gases, although as I stated before the difference of what fraction of a fraction of a fraction of a percent is how big a difference us lighting a match is in a mansion.

I'm not saying to "change" the sun. I'm saying study it to show that it is the sun itself that is making the climate change everyone is freaking out about... not that is it all because of us and we have to spend trillions of dollars to "fight" it. The sun is on a cycle and what if that cycle flips? Now we need to start burning all the forests and oil to heat the planet back up? Is that more clear?
Yes, and climate and solar scientists have already studied this and continue to study it. This is not a new idea. And the consensus is:

"The evidence shows that although fluctuations in the amount of solar energy reaching our atmosphere do influence our climate, the global warming trend of the past six decades cannot be attributed to changes in the sun."


There are lots of other references available as well, not just this one.
 
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treetops

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Even if Global Warming isn't real, we would still be reducing pollution... Wouldn't that negate some healthcare costs? You used to be able to see a big brown around Phoenix in the summer before they enforced emission standards/tests. Worst case scenario less toxic fumes?

To be clear, there is still sometimes a brown haze, but it was waaaay worse in the 90s. I remember driving up to Phoenix seeing it in the distance like wth...

 

Puiu

TS Evangelist
That is an epic fail assumption about someone you know nothing about. Even kindergartners know the sun is what gives us heat. Care to personally attack me more?
No need, the scientists know it's not the Sun that is heating up the planet so much compared to previous years.
 

cliffordcooley

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No need, the scientists know it's not the Sun that is heating up the planet so much compared to previous years.
LOL That is funny

Without the sun, the planet would be ice. Without other factors the planet would be a fire ball. There are no other factors that heat the planet. Only factors that cool the planet. Which keeps the sun from scorching everything. Our atmosphere regulates the temperature through night cooling and day heating cycles.
 
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Puiu

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LOL That is funny

Without the sun, the planet would be ice. Without other factors the planet would be a fire ball. There are no other factors that heat the planet. Only factors that cool the planet. Which keeps the sun from scorching everything. Our atmosphere regulates the temperature through night cooling and day heating cycles.
Are you trying to tell us something new or do you just want to confuse us by not staying on topic? Thank you for the facts about how the Sun works :D
I was clearly not referring to wether the planet will freeze/burn or not without a sun. I was saying that scientists concluded that the current climate change we are experiencing is not a direct result of the Sun's activity. People are making assumptions like how scientists are ignoring x or y factor and they think that it's all just a "conspiracy" (kinda like anti-vaxxers).