AMD Bulldozer FX 8150p vs Intel i7-2600k for gaming

[red1776]

So whats your take on this? if this were true, they cant be releasing this. ( i know nothing of Lab 501)

 

[SKYSTAR]

:haha: why is it always the guy "rocking" an Athlon II and a gt 9600 that is always gearing up for the top of the line beast?

nice , i have an (Athlon II and a gt 9600)=(old hardware) , but that doesn't mean that
I am not interested in the latest tech

 

[red1776]

nice , i have an (Athlon II and a gt 9600)=(old hardware) , but that doesn't mean that
I am not interested in the latest tech

:haha: I know SKY, I looked it up. just 'razz'in' ya, don't take offense. it's just fairly typical of someone taking a two generation leap to try and draw a concrete conclusion before the bits are released.

 

[SKYSTAR]

no problem :grinthumb

 

[dividebyzero]

So whats your take on this? if this were true, they cant be releasing this. ( i know nothing of Lab 501)

Their reviews are pretty much spot on, or have been in the past- which is the worrying aspect.
The Asus BIOS (9905) is the latest available and should be the BIOS that reviewers are using for benching now. Everything else in the reviews reads OK. Quality components, fast RAM, standard synthetic tests. Would have liked to see what the CPU's could do in a fully loaded gaming situation (i.e. late game Civ 5 or one of the Total War series)- I'm guessing that other reviews will cater for that as well as a raft of other apps.

Kind of wondering how they evaded the NDA...unless they didn't sign one and sourced a retail part, and Asus sent them the BIOS regardless.

If this is indicative of actual performance then I think you could assume a number of things;
1. The AMD BoD are mental defectives
2. Rory Read was put in charge to drive AMD's share price into the ground
3. AMD's guerrilla marketing/PR strategy would probably rank as the biggest ongoing FUD campaign in living memory
4. Don't list your Phenom II on eBay
5. AMD fanboys should be kept away from sharp objects and dangerous substances.

This close to launch I cannot believe that AMD is still playing some hide-the-true-potential-of-BD as some kind of strategy against Intel - believe it or not, this is the premise that most of the AMD-centric forums are clinging to; that AMD is deliberately seeding bad CPU's and bogus bad benchmarks as some kind of double-bluff and the TRUE potential of BD will be unmasked on the 12th.

Here's the Lab501 reviewers Q&A. Seems pretty unequivocal. If the quote about AMD calling reviewers and going into damage limitation mode is correct then that would imply that AMD haven't really tested their own CPU. Are funds so tight at AMD R&D that they cant afford to pull a Phenom II off the production line and pop for a 2600K/Z68 setup to test against???

Hard to believe this isn't some very early April Fool's prank.

 

[red1776]

5. AMD fanboys should be kept away from sharp objects and dangerous substances.

:haha:
It is almost inconceivable that this is what is going to be released. It crossed my mind about the NDA. weather they signed one or not, they are on the permanent 'do not send' list at any rate. If they got stiffed on the review pak, that would explain it. Either that, or this thing is awfully good at something. Something is bizarre here, the Lens2, and WCCF's who post anything with 'Bulldozer' in the heading and posting on the hour are not picking up on it. Or 3, there will be another delay on Monday.
....or John Fruehe has lost his damn mind.

Hard to believe this isn't some very early April Fool's prank.

I think it is ( he said while specifically not pre-ordering) the damage created by releasing this chip in that alleged condition is so undeniably monstrous compared to just delaying, even until Vishera/piledriver, (or another respin) its just not possible that this fact got by the entire corporation of AMD.

...Meanwhile on a street in Melbourne, Steve is looking in on this thread and snickering for one reason or the other....:haha:

 

[dividebyzero]

Apparently the AIDA version (1.80) used in the Lab501 review doesn't support BD according to a member over at Anand's forums (w/links)...so not all bad news!

And with that, I'll be signing off for the night. Rugby World Cup quarter-finals are in the history books (as is my char-grilled scallops and tiger prawns in cider and calvados beurre blanc for eight) and I'm still not halfway through my Guinness allotment for the night -my guests keep wondering why I keep sneaking off to be with the computer ( non-tech people - wouldn't know Bulldozer from Tonka toy) nytol

 

[red1776]

(as is my char-grilled scallops and tiger prawns in cider and calvados beurre blanc for eight)

Great!...I'm eating popcorn, definitely not cool Chef!:haha:
I suspect the whole thing is related to that. I think 501 got stiffed, and this is their parting shot. I have noticed that nobody has picked up on the story (or posted/linked it).

 

[dividebyzero]

Sorry about that chief- I forgot about dining habits in the U.S. - hope you're using real butter.

Not too sure how the Lab501 scene plays out. Most sites would have their own reviews in the works so I doubt that they would comment on someone elses...I'd also suspect that commenting on it would also break NDA (as would discussing the NDA itself). Add in the fact that it's still the weekend in most of the world- and most sites don't add content and I wouldn't be too sure about non-comment equalling bs story.

I think most sites will steer well clear of this "preview", and likely any others that pop up between now and when NDA lifts...and afterwards it wont matter, you'll be able to either add them to the Unreliable/Shill category, or.....

What is interesting is that a guy from Nordic Hardware was very quick to debunk the "AMD has a super secret AGESA/Microcode that it wont release to reviewers until the 12th" scenario that is being propogated at XS forums (amongst others -TPU, Anand, S|A)

The reviewer -Monstru, as I noted earlier has a good pedigree. Their earlier graphics cards reviews were top notch...and here's a picture to go along with the name ( winning the MSI Overclocking 2011 title)

Maybe there's one hell of a BIOS or Win7 patch in the works, but somehow I can't see it being in effect in time for reviews to take note unless it's a hurried footnote/edit to the main review. At this stage its either:
1. AMD playing it's cards incredibly close to its chest for no apparent reason other than to p1ss off reviewers (I really don't think any level of performance is going to alter Intel's pricing unless AMD has many, many millions of these chips ready for retail)
2. AMD are releasing a product with half-as*ed support -which we know just doesn't happen, right?

Either way, performance has a loooooong way to go before it matches up with AMD's marketing:

BTW: This thread seems to have garnered five times the page views that the Weekend Open Forum thread has - not bad for a speculative conversation.

 

[red1776]

Sorry about that chief- I forgot about dining habits in the U.S. - hope you're using real butter.

...of course.
It looks like an all or none proposition. while my $250-300 isn't going anywhere until the NDA comes off. it is inconceivable to me that they are advertising the above, and releasing something that under performing to the under performing previous generation. I guess to believe that this is what this release is and or this review, you have to believe that...
1) Amd is releasing a CPU line that is much slower than it's predecessor...
2) A site that was obviously was not invited to the party (review sample kit) just happen to 'accidentally get sent a 8150p (in lieu of what? i would like to know)
3) AMD is actually calling reviewers to find out what the results are because they couldn't afford or get their hands on i2600k platform. (Lab501 forum you linked)
4) Disregarded the NDA (even if they didn't sign one) but cared enough to black out the SKU/model #, and by the way, isn't the Stepping under that box as well? (Lab501 review)
5) didn't know that V1.80 of AIDA64 does not support BD (Annandtech you linked)
6) The decision to release a horrendous disaster got cleared/by the entire AMD Corporation, new CEO, Marketing director and all.
6a) somehow came to the conclusion that releasing this and exposing the sub (way underground) performance was a better idea than simply adding an additional 5 month delay to the already 3 year stall.
you get the idea.
BTW...the blueish pixels on the guys thumb look suspiciously like extra pixels from a lasso procedure...:haha::evil: okay, thats a bit Jesse Ventura.
I did wonder as they shipped the review sample kits with CVF if the update is included with it, and not the 'accidentally' shipped 8150P L5 got.
I have been itching to see what the full potential of 4x OC'ed 6950's can do. I am buying a CPU on the 12th and if its actually this , then a i2600K it is.I have supported AMD over the years when they had a PP advantage, and even while it evaporated and became a mythical tag-line for fan-boys, but if this is actually representational of the one they would like to ship to my door, that will put a wrap on the AMD era for me. but i find it just short of impossible to believe the set of circumstances and epically bad (and I don't throw that word around like some) decision making that would have to come together for the 'Lab501 chip' to make it to market.

BTW: This thread seems to have garnered five times the page views that the Weekend Open Forum thread has - not bad for a speculative conversation.

and no participation...interesting. I guess a lot of TS'ers like to watch:evil:

 

[dividebyzero]

1.It may end up faster, and probably will be faster in some apps- but at this stage the 50% over 1100T looks like AMD just sold every AMD diehard the Brooklyn Bridge.
2.Lab501 apparently bought a retail PIB. Also, apparently, they are relatively easy to buy off the shelf in Eastern Europe
3. Me being facetious. I wouldn't put it past AMD to tell reviewers that a fix is in the works and that their reviews should reflect that "fact".
4. ? Batch number ? Maybe to protect their retail source??? -Don't have an answer for that one.
6. An AMD board that couldn't attract a new CEO for how many months ? Also refer point 1 in post #55. AMD may put out good hardware...well, at least the ATI part of AMD does it would seem, but the marketing, management and PR is garbage unless this is the biggest ever snowjob in tech reviews - but to what point ?
This is a company that signed off on marketing an enthusiast grade microarch with the use of a....comic book....!

 

[red1776]

1.It may end up faster, and probably will be faster in some apps- but at this stage the 50% over 1100T looks like AMD just sold every AMD diehard the Brooklyn Bridge.
2.Lab501 apparently bought a retail PIB. Also, apparently, they are relatively easy to buy off the shelf in Eastern Europe
3. Me being facetious. I wouldn't put it past AMD to tell reviewers that a fix is in the works and that their reviews should reflect that "fact".
4. ? Batch number ? Maybe to protect their retail source??? -Don't have an answer for that one.
6. An AMD board that couldn't attract a new CEO for how many months ? Also refer point 1 in post #55. AMD may put out good hardware...well, at least the ATI part of AMD does it would seem, but the marketing, management and PR is garbage unless this is the biggest ever snowjob in tech reviews - but to what point ?
This is a company that signed off on marketing an enthusiast grade microarch with the use of a....comic book....!

ROFLMAO... I forgot about that one. That was rough. (although may not be as bad a move as we think. I have met some of these 'anime' types, and they are rabid about it!)

"to what end?" The only reason I can come up with is that they are close or surpass and don't want to show their cards, but I cant really see Intel releasing a new chip etc in response anyway. I can see wanting to keep a tight lid on things if they were to really be on to something, and include the final Bios/code with the kit as they sent out a CVF with instructions to "review using this"???

3. Me being facetious. I wouldn't put it past AMD to tell reviewers that a fix is in the works and that their reviews should reflect that "fact".

Thats one of them I just can't make work. That is exponentially more damaging than just delay another month and release it fixed. expose (confirm) bad numbers with a "promise of a fix?' any first year marketing student knows if you say to a guy..." I will sell you the car for five or six hundred bucks"....he only heard five hundred. Once the numbers are out, a promised fix will mean little to nothing.
other than that, I have no idea. Like I said, it seems like it's an all or none approach. If it's the latter, it will be in college business and marketing textbooks by next year...
Chapter 5- Corporate Marketing................................AMD and the Ford Edsel

 

[dividebyzero]

Looks like retail samples are popping up all over.

My guess is that we'll have something to compare to Lab501's tests fairly shortly.

 

[red1776]

Hey!!! you can keep cookies in there!:haha:

I am actually surprised Anand got one.
you don't think they will break NDA do you?

I am thinking Guru3D might have one of their notorious 'server hacks'

 

[dividebyzero]

Real time Bulldozer benching video stream:

https://join.me/573-962-519


Overclock.net thread for the screenshots

 

[red1776]

well thats worthless. This guy actually has no idea why Vantage wont run.

 

[dividebyzero]

I had high hopes when I first saw that they were going with a live stream. So much for spur-of-the-moment benchmarking!

Back to the drawing board...

Still more than a few question marks over BIOS, RAM, and running multiple processes...but it sure beat the hell out of watching the 49ers/Buc's game...but then, so would watching re-runs of last months SportsCenter

 

[red1776]

well anything does.
Hey the damn vikings won a damn game!

 

[dividebyzero]

Don't get too excited. Beating Arizona at home should be pro forma...tho' it does knock the Vikes out of the Andrew Luck sweepstakes (Can't see the Colts NOT going 0-16 without PeyPey)

 

[red1776]

Don't get too excited. Beating Arizona at home should be pro forma...tho' it does knock the Vikes out of the Andrew Luck sweepstakes (Can't see the Colts NOT going 0-16 without PeyPey)

yeah, but I wasn't expecting one V this year....now that the stupid head Vikes management traded Favre..:haha:
The colts might have been the most single player based team in history, possibly only second to one of the Washington/Sonny Jurgenson teams of the early 70's


.....and BTW, what do you mean " the American Diet?" my diet is about as UN-american as it gets!
.....hows that for a delayed reaction? haha

 

[dividebyzero]

.....hows that for a delayed reaction? haha

Slow reflexes = Potassium deficiency

 

[red1776]

Slow reflexes = Potassium deficiency

I eat plenty of baked potassiums!

how the hell did this one get by me!?
...must be the potassium deficiency I 'spect

STALKER 2 sneaking up on a 2012 launch

http://www.joystiq.com/2010/08/13/stalker-2-sneaking-up-on-a-2012-launch/

 

[dividebyzero]

STALKER 2 got by you????

I thought you were well aware that it was coming out.
Here's the trailer

Oddly enough the same trailer is part of a cut scene in the Narodnaya Soljanka mod...and now I see Stalker 2 is going to require a full time internet connection*...which I infer from the accompanying blurb will work heavily against modding -weird since part of STALKER's ongoing (and growing) appeal is the large mod community behind it.

*Thanks to Matthew for the link (Weekend News roundup)

 

[red1776]

yeah I missed that one somehow. That was a surprising DRM statement from them. It would not surprise me to see that backed off to just a Steam type DRM. STALKER and Mod are synonymous.

 

[Mizzou]

If the Lab501 results are correct then a Phenom II X6 1100T at 4.2GHz runs SuperPI faster than a FX-8150P does at 5GHz, 16.975s versus 17.019s. That's kind of hard to believe, hopefully we'll see some reviews tomorrow that will settle the matter once and for all.