AMD erodes more of Intel's CPU share in Steam Survey, GTX 1060 remains top graphics card

[Nathan Gamble]

I'm a moderate AMD fan, but seems Nvidia's mid-range RTX 3060 is just the best buy option, with series x060 sweeping all the competition again. And by "competition" I don't mean just AMD, but even some of the Nvidia cards, such as RTX 3070. Over the long period of my computer enthusiasm I had several Nvidia and AMD (or ATI) graphics cards, and I was mostly satisfied with all of them, but I'm pretty sure Nvidia 3060 Ti will be my next gaming renderer. Unless AMD pulls out a miracle.

Navi 22 (RX 6700 XT) should be able to compete with the RTX 3060 Ti easily, at least on paper - though recent leaks indicate that it might be a bit weaker than expected, and that AMD are targetting a lower price for it (though perhaps the price will be low enough for it to still be a better choice, even if it does end up being slower than the 3060 Ti).

There's even a decent chance that the budget Navi 23 die that's expected to be used in the RX 6500 XT will be able to get close to the 3060 Ti in some games at 1080p when overclocked, due to the crazy clock speeds RDNA2 is capable of reaching (though the smaller cache and narrow memory bus will hurt Navi 22 at 1440p and 4K).

 

[Makste]

Wow. So Nvidia are absolutely destroying AMD in the graphics card space.

Unsurprising really, AMDs drivers are a festering heap of garbage.

Are you being paid for these kinds of comments? I don't think you own an AMD gadget.

 

[Lounds]

I'm a moderate AMD fan, but seems Nvidia's mid-range RTX 3060 is just the best buy option, with series x060 sweeping all the competition again. And by "competition" I don't mean just AMD, but even some of the Nvidia cards, such as RTX 3070. Over the long period of my computer enthusiasm I had several Nvidia and AMD (or ATI) graphics cards, and I was mostly satisfied with all of them, but I'm pretty sure Nvidia 3060 Ti will be my next gaming renderer. Unless AMD pulls out a miracle.

It's reported the 6700 XT can clock up to 2.8Ghz, if so it's very possible AMD is going out to beat the 3060ti and possibly match the 3070.

 

[Avro Arrow]

Is there evidence for the Radeon Technologies Group using ATi Technologies as their legal name?

I know people who work in RTG too, but none of them refer to it as ATi. That said, none of them are based in the Canadian offices, which may be why they don't.

You're asking for evidence that I already gave. The link showing all of the AMD locations (on AMD's website) specifically shows the Canadian offices being called "ATi Technologies ULC".

 

[Avro Arrow]

It's reported the 6700 XT can clock up to 2.8Ghz, if so it's very possible AMD is going out to beat the 3060ti and possibly match the 3070.

Honestly, I don't think that the RX 6700 XT is going to be as good as the RTX 3060 Ti. I'd like to be wrong but it doesn't seem like it's going to be a huge step up from the 5700 XT. It would make a great card for under $300 though.

 

[Avro Arrow]

Evidently not thoroughly enough, since you got the launch date of the GTX 980 wrong (It was September 2014, not June 2015) and included a GTX 880 (which doesn't exist). Also you said the price of the RTX 2080 was $50 higher than the 1080 when it was actually $100.

Ah, you're right about the date but not because I didn't know what I was talking about, but because the Ti date showed up as well when I googled "GTX 980 release date". I didn't mean to say that it was released in 2015, I meant to say September of 2014. And yes the GTX 880 never existed but the intended MSRP was $500 so I included it to add to nVidia's pricing pattern.

Since I post these when I'm at work, sometimes I have to leave a post unfinished for half an hour or more and don't always remember exactly where I left off. It's not like I have all of this exact data in my head. What I have in my head is "The prices stayed stable for a long time and then nVidia just started jacking them." which is correct. The exact specifics do support this fact even if I typed one of them wrong.

The proof of this is that I said that the price remained stable from 2008-2013, not 2014. If I had really thought that the GTX 880 was released in 2014 I would have put 2014, but I didn't. I had meant to say that nVidia intended the GTX 880 to be $500 (since the point of the post was to show the pricing pattern) but nVidia decided to jump directly to the 900 series and jacked the price by $50. That was, as you said, in 2014 and I said that nVidia raised their prices by 33% between 2014 and 2018.

So, try looking at it like this:
"Yeah but he said that the pricing was only stable up to 2013 and that was the 780 so it's probably a typo or some other little mixup. It doesn't take away from or change the point of the post or the outcome."

Instead of "Ooo, I got him on a technicality!!!" because that just looks childish and it shows that you really didn't understand the big picture. Or you could have just said "Ummm, didn't the GTX 880 end up being vapourware and the 980 was actually released in 2014?" to which I would have responded "Ah yes, you're right. Where was my head?".

Why you chose to accuse me of not checking my facts when all you really found was essentially a typo is about as mature as saying "You used the wrong version of there!". It doesn't make you look smart and it makes people think that you're a petty and insecure little person. I'm actually glad that you posted your response because it allowed me to fix those little errors. The way you worded it only hurts you, not me.

 

[neeyik]

You're asking for evidence that I already gave. The link showing all of the AMD locations (on AMD's website) specifically shows the Canadian offices being called "ATi Technologies ULC".

No, I was wondering about evidence for the entire Radeon Technologies Group using ATi Technologies as their legal name for all documentation, sales, purchases, patent applications, etc. I knew somebody who worked at that specific office for a while (moved from the UK to do so), so I knew it was still ATi - however, that doesn't necessarily imply that the RTG is legally listed as such.

I'm not trying to claim that it isn't (or is, for that matter); just a matter of professional curiosity as to why the current version of the RTG would retain the name, when it consists of two separate divisions, engineering and business, and the latter includes AMD's entire semi-custom branch.

 

[Avro Arrow]

The post was made by someone who had only been on Techspot 2 days.... just putting that out there. I mean people are allowed to be wrong.. as I sit here still with my 4 years old GTX 1080 and old i7 lol.

Pick your battles mate I mean common sense.. worst argument ever. Common sense wasn't even common in Thomas Paine's time.. *cough* Calvinism. For as Aristotle said all the virtues will be present when the one virtue, practical wisdom, is present. The only things truly common are death, taxes and (sexy game) hysteria!

So let's keep this constructive and agree to stop buying ridiculously priced new cards until we see something actually worth paying for. Think of it like the metoo movement for NVIDIA.. lol. What's people's opinion on the RTX 3060 Ti assuming it's available?

From what I can tell last couple years monitors are finally after almost a decade improving in more substantial ways at the same price point.. How do you think this market compares to GPUs, my personal observations are it's actually comparable.. it's just unfortunate NVIDIA is not giving us more Vram on cards like the 3070 compared to the 4 year old 1070. Is there not an argument to be made that Pascal improvements were just too good for the mainstream gamer at 1080p.

I think there's a good reason for instance that people still drive around older cars, when they're reliable, comfy, cheap and easy to repair, AC, cruise control.. what more do you want really. More electronics with contacts to fray out and gears and double clutches and components for minor efficiencies that die soon as warranty is up. It just doesn't add that much more enjoyment, I mean some people even prefer Manuals, I still think the 1989 Nissan Z/Fairlady is still one of the most badass cars to drive and it had all above comforts to boot. Unless you're made of money I suppose and can afford Porsche's and Tesla's.

You hit the nail right on the head and there's nothing wrong with your GTX 1070. That was (and still is) a great card. If you're gaming at 1080p, you don't need more than that (unless you're one of those uber-fps fanatics..LOL). The reason that you still use it is that you were smart enough to realise that the difference between "good" and "good enough" is just some arbitrary number that is essentially meaningless and should be ignored.

Believe me, with the problems that I've had with my RX 5700 XT, there's an argument in my head between "Why didn't you just stick with your R9 Fury?" because that's what I've been relegated to using twice now.

Don't put yourself down because honestly, I think that you're wiser than me.

 

[Avro Arrow]

No, I was wondering about evidence for the entire Radeon Technologies Group using ATi Technologies as their legal name for all documentation, sales, purchases, patent applications, etc. I knew somebody who worked at that specific office for a while (moved from the UK to do so), so I knew it was still ATi - however, that doesn't necessarily imply that the RTG is legally listed as such.

I'm not trying to claim that it isn't (or is, for that matter); just a matter of professional curiosity as to why the current version of the RTG would retain the name, when it consists of two separate divisions, engineering and business, and the latter includes AMD's entire semi-custom branch.

That's kinda tricky to do because I don't know what would constitute absolute proof but... Their listing on Bloomberg still exists:

ATI Technologies ULC - Company Profile and News

Company profile page for ATI Technologies ULC including stock price, company news, executives, board members, and contact information

www.bloomberg.com

There's also a court case (and it's in the US!) between ATi Technlogies ULC and ARM Ltd. from June of 2020 (more than a decade after ATi was bought by AMD):

ATI TECHNOLOGIES ULC v. ARM LTD. [RULE 36 JUDGMENT] | US Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit

www.cafc.uscourts.gov

That does confirm that "ATi Technologies ULC" is a legal entity in the USA as well as in Canada because otherwise it would have listed AMD instead of ATi. This is something that I wasn't aware of, that ATi is still legally a separate entity from AMD in the USA. Well, I would call that pretty solid proof.

 

[neeyik]

There's also a court case (and it's in the US!) between ATi Technlogies ULC and ARM Ltd. from June of 2020 (more than a decade after ATi was bought by AMD):

ATI TECHNOLOGIES ULC v. ARM LTD. [RULE 36 JUDGMENT] | US Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit

www.cafc.uscourts.gov

That does confirm that "ATi Technologies ULC" is a legal entity in the USA as well as in Canada because otherwise it would have listed AMD instead of ATi. This is something that I wasn't aware of, that ATi is still legally a separate entity from AMD in the USA. Well, I would call that pretty solid proof.

That's absolute proof that ATi Technologies is a legal entity in the US, and many thanks for taking the time in finding this. However, I would contest that this doesn't prove that the RTG, as an entirety, operates under the legal name of ATi - the latter is clearly a separate entity within the group, from the document you found, but does this mean that AMD handles all proceedings of the RTG as ATi? Not sure myself, but it would be very interesting to know for certain.

 

[Avro Arrow]

That's absolute proof that ATi Technologies is a legal entity in the US, and many thanks for taking the time in finding this. However, I would contest that this doesn't prove that the RTG, as an entirety, operates under the legal name of ATi - the latter is clearly a separate entity within the group, from the document you found, but does this mean that AMD handles all proceedings of the RTG as ATi? Not sure myself, but it would be very interesting to know for certain.

I know that Radeon Graphics is 100% done by ATi and ATi has nothing to do with CPU design or manufacture but ATi was also a major developer of chipsets before AMD bought them. Whether or not they still do chipsets is beyond my scope. I don't really want to ask anyone I know who are there because I would consider that to be impolite. The information that I've received from them was all given to me unprompted (I didn't ask, I was just told off-hand).

What I can say for sure is that the people I know who work there (less than 5) refer to it as ATi, not AMD. This is despite at least one of them having started there less than ten years ago. The branding switch occurred eleven years ago with the buyout happening four years before that.