AMD FX-8150, FX Series Review - Bulldozer makes debut
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Leeky
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I can supply plenty of those..... :haha:
I'm going to wait out more OC results. If it proves over time to be good for overclocking I might consider it as an option as it's cheaper than changing platforms given the fact I could already run one on my motherboard in the cupboard. lol.
I'm going to wait it out for now though, not in any rush as my (all-be-it backup) Q6600 is chugging along quite happily and I want a new GPU more.
For now I'm set on SB, but in time I might re-consider.
I'm going to wait out more OC results. If it proves over time to be good for overclocking I might consider it as an option as it's cheaper than changing platforms given the fact I could already run one on my motherboard in the cupboard. lol.
I'm going to wait it out for now though, not in any rush as my (all-be-it backup) Q6600 is chugging along quite happily and I want a new GPU more.
For now I'm set on SB, but in time I might re-consider.
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Most people support AMD to foster competition and innovation. If AMD fails, we could have problems.
red1776
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I agree with that....
Red1776 said:
But at some point they have to actually become viable/competitive.
dividebyzero
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@ Mizzou
If you have the cash, you may as well take the plunge -BD at worst isn't going to offer lower performance than the CPU you already have.
On a related note:
I'd probably take a few of the published reviews with more than a grain of salt. Hardware Heaven's "scoring" system usually starts at 9/10 - a cruddy stock Intel board for instance scores close to perfect .
HardOCP at this stage are a long-winded advertisement for Asus -note the extended fluffing/sales pitch for the Crosshair board in the conclusion (also note that any Asus product gets the coveted gold award regardless of how good it is). Kitguru is an AMD mouthpiece pure and simple.
I'd be more inclined to note the reviews posted by the sites known to take their reviewing seriously (Hexus, Anand, ComputerBase, Hardware France, Legit Reviews, and Steve's TS review of course), who questioned the inconsistancies in the AMD supplied slide deck if they published them, and of course labelled whether their test benchmarks were single or multi-thread -and if the latter, what parameters the test works under...and lastly, if the conclusion reached tallies with the test results.
If Interlagos ( and where is it btw? wasn't it supposed to launch before desktop ?) can't gain marketshare back from Intel in x86 HPC/server then I wouldn't be surprised to see AMD concentrate their available resources solely on APU within a year or two.
If you have the cash, you may as well take the plunge -BD at worst isn't going to offer lower performance than the CPU you already have.
On a related note:
I'd probably take a few of the published reviews with more than a grain of salt. Hardware Heaven's "scoring" system usually starts at 9/10 - a cruddy stock Intel board for instance scores close to perfect .
HardOCP at this stage are a long-winded advertisement for Asus -note the extended fluffing/sales pitch for the Crosshair board in the conclusion (also note that any Asus product gets the coveted gold award regardless of how good it is). Kitguru is an AMD mouthpiece pure and simple.
I'd be more inclined to note the reviews posted by the sites known to take their reviewing seriously (Hexus, Anand, ComputerBase, Hardware France, Legit Reviews, and Steve's TS review of course), who questioned the inconsistancies in the AMD supplied slide deck if they published them, and of course labelled whether their test benchmarks were single or multi-thread -and if the latter, what parameters the test works under...and lastly, if the conclusion reached tallies with the test results.
My forecast fwiw: AMD tread water in the enthusiast sector until such time as the APU can comfortably compete in compute in the mainstream segment. I think once this tipping point is reached AMD will withdraw from the enthusiast desktop market.
If Interlagos ( and where is it btw? wasn't it supposed to launch before desktop ?) can't gain marketshare back from Intel in x86 HPC/server then I wouldn't be surprised to see AMD concentrate their available resources solely on APU within a year or two.
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"But at some point they have to actually become viable/competitive."
Well their competitiveness shows as a company that sells decent processors for a good price rather than Intel being powerful AND expensive. That these can go toe to toe with an i5 is good, but unfortunately it's not all that viable when people look at this and think AMD are purposely aiming for second place. After Phenom II X6 how could people not think AMD was going somewhere with Bulldozer. Doesn't help AMD much knowing Ivy Bridge is just around the corner.
NOBODY should want AMD to fail, but this really is what people on the interweb call a, "facepalm".
Well their competitiveness shows as a company that sells decent processors for a good price rather than Intel being powerful AND expensive. That these can go toe to toe with an i5 is good, but unfortunately it's not all that viable when people look at this and think AMD are purposely aiming for second place. After Phenom II X6 how could people not think AMD was going somewhere with Bulldozer. Doesn't help AMD much knowing Ivy Bridge is just around the corner.
NOBODY should want AMD to fail, but this really is what people on the interweb call a, "facepalm".
Mizzou
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@dbz
At this point given what I've already invested on this platform it seems reasonable to go ahead and give Bulldozer a shot. Still working through the reviews and will add the sites you recommend (some I've already checked) to the list. Although the FX-8120 is readily available I haven't been able to locate a FX-8150 in stock anywhere just yet. Once I get my hands on one I'll post back results to the Bulldozer thread I've already got going.
btw, like your new custom title
At this point given what I've already invested on this platform it seems reasonable to go ahead and give Bulldozer a shot. Still working through the reviews and will add the sites you recommend (some I've already checked) to the list. Although the FX-8120 is readily available I haven't been able to locate a FX-8150 in stock anywhere just yet. Once I get my hands on one I'll post back results to the Bulldozer thread I've already got going.
btw, like your new custom title
DokkRokken
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These results are underwhelming. But not terribly disappointing.
What is terribly disappointing is that the term 'epic fail' continues to be used post-2010.
What is terribly disappointing is that the term 'epic fail' continues to be used post-2010.
dividebyzero
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Must be selling like hot cakes....either that or Newegg are waiting for the review samples to go back to AMD for repackaging.
No BD SKU's available in New Zealand (hardly surprising)- no ETA either. Small market and for some reason AMD CPU's/chipsets are expensive here - pre order 8150 is the same price as 2600K
I presume you'll be recording all your proposed benchmarks with your current CPU for comparison
Retraining's a b1tch.btw, like your new custom title
I was waiting for AMD to approach me about renting the custom title space re: placing an advertisement for Help wanted (Engineers, Foundry Process liaison -apply in person, Sunnyvale, Ca)
Leeky
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You obviously didn't get the memo... They hired for all the positions. In other news, the local Police are searching for an entire collection of monkey's stolen from the local zoo..... I wonder if the two are related.... :haha:
Revolution 11
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I was not expecting much from Bulldozer to be honest. I thought:
1. "Hey, AMD is a fraction of Intel's size"
2. "Hey, AMD is several years behind Intel"
3. "Hey, a strong AMD means good competition for Intel and a win for all consumers".
Ok, so Bulldozer is hotter, larger, less efficient, blah, blah, blah than Sandy Bridge. I tell myself, "Hey, give AMD a break, take a look above".
AMD is not good for gaming. Well, they are focusing on multi-threaded performance so gaming was never a focus, all fine and dandy.
THEN, I hear that Phenom II had better IPC than Bulldozer.
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WHAT THE F**K, AMD!
I can forgive you for releasing a inferior, slower, hotter product to your much larger competitor Intel. Really, I understand your horrible position. But if your new product is worse than your old product, we are going to have problems.
Bulldozer failed, not because of it falling below Sandy Bridge, but because it is generally worse than Phenom II and it is way too expensive taking this into mind.
1. "Hey, AMD is a fraction of Intel's size"
2. "Hey, AMD is several years behind Intel"
3. "Hey, a strong AMD means good competition for Intel and a win for all consumers".
Ok, so Bulldozer is hotter, larger, less efficient, blah, blah, blah than Sandy Bridge. I tell myself, "Hey, give AMD a break, take a look above".
AMD is not good for gaming. Well, they are focusing on multi-threaded performance so gaming was never a focus, all fine and dandy.
THEN, I hear that Phenom II had better IPC than Bulldozer.
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WHAT THE F**K, AMD!
I can forgive you for releasing a inferior, slower, hotter product to your much larger competitor Intel. Really, I understand your horrible position. But if your new product is worse than your old product, we are going to have problems.
Bulldozer failed, not because of it falling below Sandy Bridge, but because it is generally worse than Phenom II and it is way too expensive taking this into mind.
dividebyzero
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If they were, then AMD's original slide deck and presentation of the plan called for the kidnapping of 800lb Gorilla's...while at the present time, AMD are now guiding "cautious optimism" regarding their new Capuchin management team
Leeky
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Had a little look online with retailers here in the UK for the FX-8150.
Scan > Item overdude as of yesterday, and not in stock at £199.98
OC UK > Not expected until 21st October 2011 not in stock, priced at £199.99
Ebuyer > Not expected until 1st November, 2011, not in stock, priced at £199.99
All three sites don't have a single Bulldozer CPU available for sale right now.
Scan > Item overdude as of yesterday, and not in stock at £199.98
OC UK > Not expected until 21st October 2011 not in stock, priced at £199.99
Ebuyer > Not expected until 1st November, 2011, not in stock, priced at £199.99
All three sites don't have a single Bulldozer CPU available for sale right now.
grvalderrama
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FX-4170 looks like a freaking great deal!!!
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AMD Memo to Employees
1. Build a processor that is clock for clock slower than the previous generation.
2. Build a processor that is less power efficient then the previous generation.
3. Build a processor that is continuously delayed to the market.
4. Have the PR manager visit forums and tell off and alienate our loyal supporter base for only wanting more details of the up coming processor.
5. Use an I5-2500k processor as a comparison in the official head to head video demonstration but call it an i7-980x instead.
P.S. As a long time AMD buyer, very disappointed, only hope they get there act together.
1. Build a processor that is clock for clock slower than the previous generation.
2. Build a processor that is less power efficient then the previous generation.
3. Build a processor that is continuously delayed to the market.
4. Have the PR manager visit forums and tell off and alienate our loyal supporter base for only wanting more details of the up coming processor.
5. Use an I5-2500k processor as a comparison in the official head to head video demonstration but call it an i7-980x instead.
P.S. As a long time AMD buyer, very disappointed, only hope they get there act together.
After all the waiting and hype this is what AMD proudly presents. By far and away the most disappointing aspect of this chips is the horrible power consumption. I thought the whole point of the shared resources (other than cost cutting) was to make a more power efficient chip. Obviously not the case here. DBZ is right, AMD will continue on with their APU line and will look to the mainstream to carry them forward. They won't collapse but after all that shameful hype their days in the enthusiast market may very well be up. They may be able to refine BD some but with this rollout the damage has been done by exposing the false propaganda they've been spewing forth. Not what they needed after the Phenom fiasco. Looks like I'll stick with my 955 for now and wait for Ivy Bridge.
red1776
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Hey P,
I might be able to save us a few bucks here. It seems from what I can find about the 'interweb' and from Chef, that the 8120 will OC to the same place as the 8150. Chef had read that the 8150 is binned for higher voltage, but it appears that unless you are going exotic, the voltage overhead won't matter.
******@ Steve.
If You are listening in on your thread here, could you weigh in on your OC'ing experience with the 8120 for us slobs who bought in early?
btw, like your new custom title
Indeed, It appears he knows very little about anything.
Mizzou
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I was wondering how much difference there really is between the two, assumed the 8150 was higher binned but if it's only for exotic purposes the 8120 should be sufficient. Did come across one review where the 8120 was overclocked to 4.7GHz which really should be enough. Might just give it a shot, thanks for the heads up.
red1776
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yup, the [H] review had 4.7 (100Mhz higher than the 8150 sample) it will be interesting to compare temps with your H100. Oh well, ordering now.
Mizzou
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Went ahead and pulled the trigger last night too, should have it early next week.
LinkedKube
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GL guys, I'm sure you'll have fun with your oc's. Remember, if you burn the chip out trying to get more performance just send it back to amd and demand a refund. I'm sure the r & d team saw you coming a mile away.
red1776
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Mizzou
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Actually, I find the notion of requesting an RMA for the char-broiled remains of a cooked Bulldozer rather amusing ... in a twisted sort of way. After all he did wish us good luck with the overclock, even if it was slightly disingenuous
Regardless, it's always fun to take something like the FX-8120 and see just how much performance you can wring out of it. If I'm able to get 4.5GHz+ for a stable 24/7 overclock for $200 I'll be satisfied
Regardless, it's always fun to take something like the FX-8120 and see just how much performance you can wring out of it. If I'm able to get 4.5GHz+ for a stable 24/7 overclock for $200 I'll be satisfied
dividebyzero
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First one down...donanimhaber **cough *AMD Marketing*cough** are reporting that AMD are supposedly moving production of Bulldozer based CPU's from Globalfoundries to TSMC....so it took all of 48 hours for AMD to throw its foundry partner under a bus.
Of course it's probably all bs -
1.TSMC doesn't have a 32nm process
2.Retooling for Bulldozer on TSMC's 28nm process would make a lie of AMD"s Piledriver in Q2 2012 claim.
@Mizzou
A preview of sorts over at Tweaktown exploring gaming performance with triple Crossfire, and FX-8150 / 2600K at their highest stable OC using the Corsair H100.
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