AMD is showing every sign of supporting AM4 for the foreseeable future

[Vulcanproject]

Sony was literally the worst example you could have given.

Only if you misunderstand the commercial aspects and only think backwards game compatibility is the only aspect. There's reasons why Sony maintain their user base and it isn't because they provide the best cost free backwards compatibility!

AM5 is not backwards compatible with AM4 either, but they're looking to retain customers across generations in a similar way. They want to have a customer relationship where there is no hard reset each generation and Sony have successfully done it via narrative and brand building multiple times now. Except once: from the PS2 to PS3 transition.

Far more successfully than Microsoft's consoles, regardless of their software transitions. Which is why you misunderstood the point.

 

[cragless]

Well the problem with supporting the 300 and 400 series motherboards with 5000 series chips is that the bios wasn't large enough to hold the firmware update while also supporting older architectures. And while they do technically support the 5000 series chips I think it's only Asrock and Gigabyte who released firmware updates for their motherboards supporting the 5000 series on 300 series chipsets. This also has the problem of once you update the firmware the board nolonger (offically) supports chips other than the 5000 series. So if you have a bunch of zen1 chips laying around, like I do, you can no longer use them in boards with updated firmware.

There are good reasons the 5000 series wasn't supported and still isn't supported on many 300 series motherboards.

FYI I had a Asus prime A320m-k board running a Ryzen 5 2400G, updated the bios with this cpu and ran it for a while before upgrading the CPU to a 5600. never had any problems with this board and only upgraded to a different mb because I wanted an extra M.2 socket.

 

[Mr Majestyk]

Well the problem with supporting the 300 and 400 series motherboards with 5000 series chips is that the bios wasn't large enough to hold the firmware update while also supporting older architectures. And while they do technically support the 5000 series chips I think it's only Asrock and Gigabyte who released firmware updates for their motherboards supporting the 5000 series on 300 series chipsets. This also has the problem of once you update the firmware the board nolonger (offically) supports chips other than the 5000 series. So if you have a bunch of zen1 chips laying around, like I do, you can no longer use them in boards with updated firmware.

There are good reasons the 5000 series wasn't supported and still isn't supported on many 300 series motherboards.

With Gigashyte it was enough of a pain updating bios on X370 MB's to get Zen 2 working. The forums were in meltdown with issues. Took me months to nut out the correct procedure and Gigashyte then closed down the forums and all the useful information vanished. I didn't push my luck trying it for Zen 3.

 

[wwwendigo]

The reason for "supporting" AM4 platform when AM5 one is present, isn't the more affordable DDR4 than the DDR5 rams. DDR5 It's only few extra bucks against DDR4 sticks.

The REAL reason is the very expensive AM5 motherboards, if you want some decent B650 motherboard and up, you need to pay almost 200$ or more. The cheaper options are ridiculous in characteristics, expandability and options. And yet, expensive for they are offering (cheapest B650 motherboards are discouraging for what are they offering you, and A620 motherboard are absolutely the crappy ones, and not enoughly cheap).

That makes expensive the AM5 platform, hell, the intel LGA 1700 platform is more atractive than AM5, and cheaper, at least if you look only to the motherboards. Equal or superior connectivity, better prices, and so on. This combined with the possibility of using DDR4, too, makes a BIG minus to AM5.

The AMD cpus are enough cheap against the intel alternatives, but the rest of the plaform makes AM5 less attractive than LGA1700. And the "solution" for AMD is "supporting" the almost deprecated AM4 as an cheap alternative and "enoughly modern" platform.

Well, AMD, I appreciate it, as an AM4 user. BUT I'ld appreciate much more if you, AMD, takes any action to make a viable and cheaper option for anybody with AM5 motherboards using at least some B650 motherboards that are decent enough (no, please, no more jokes with motherboards with 4 rear USBs, only 2 m2 slots, and no PCIe 5.0 in any slot of the mobo, and more absurd limitations) and don't cost me an eye.

 

[erickmendes]

So many anger about AMD long term support for AM4 while Intel keep on cycling sockets like it rebrand cpus...

 

[HardReset]

That makes expensive the AM5 platform, hell, the intel LGA 1700 platform is more atractive than AM5, and cheaper, at least if you look only to the motherboards. Equal or superior connectivity, better prices, and so on. This combined with the possibility of using DDR4, too, makes a BIG minus to AM5.

The AMD cpus are enough cheap against the intel alternatives, but the rest of the plaform makes AM5 less attractive than LGA1700. And the "solution" for AMD is "supporting" the almost deprecated AM4 as an cheap alternative and "enoughly modern" platform.

Well, AMD, I appreciate it, as an AM4 user. BUT I'ld appreciate much more if you, AMD, takes any action to make a viable and cheaper option for anybody with AM5 motherboards using at least some B650 motherboards that are decent enough (no, please, no more jokes with motherboards with 4 rear USBs, only 2 m2 slots, and no PCIe 5.0 in any slot of the mobo, and more absurd limitations) and don't cost me an eye.

AMD has huge advantage on premium category. No Intel board can come even close $500 AMD board. No contest there.

You say AMD low end board suck, OK, I did comparison:

Both motherboards are just under $150 and both have "modern" chipset.

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/cRQcCJ/msi-pro-b650m-a-wifi-micro-atx-am5-motherboard-pro-b650m-a-wifi

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/7D88TW/asus-prime-b760m-a-ax-micro-atx-lga1700-motherboard-prime-b760m-a-ax

PCIe

AMD: x16 (CPU), x4 chipset, x1 chipset
Intel: x16 (CPU), x4 chipset, x1 chipset

(draw here)

M.2 / SATA

AMD: PCIe 4.0 x4 (CPU), PCIe 4.0 x4 (CPU), 4X SATA
Intel: PCIe 4.0 x4 (CPU), PCIe 4.0 x4 (chipset), 6X SATA

(AMD has better M.2, Intel has more SATA)

USB

AMD

4x USB 2.0 (Front)
4x USB 3.2 Gen1 Type A (Rear)
2x USB 3.2 Gen1 Type A (Front)
4x USB 3.2 Gen2 Type A (Rear)
1x USB 3.2 Gen2 Type C (Front)

Intel

Rear USB (Total 6 ports)
2 x USB 3.2 Gen 2 ports (2 x Type-A )
4 x USB 2.0 ports (4 x Type-A)
Front USB (Total 10 ports)
2 x USB 3.2 Gen 1 headers support 4 additional USB 3.2 Gen 1 ports
2 x USB 3.2 Gen 1 connectors (support USB Type-C®)
2 x USB 2.0 headers support 4 additional USB 2.0 ports

(not much difference here either)

Both are mATX
Both have 4 DDR5 slots
Both have Wi-Fi 6E
Both have 2.5G LAN

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So, there you have it. While you bash AMD for not offering this and that under 200 bucks, it just seems Intel cannot do any better. These were just randomly picked two boards but if your words hold true, there should be major difference. There is basically nothing.

 

[wiyosaya]

The reason for "supporting" AM4 platform when AM5 one is present, isn't the more affordable DDR4 than the DDR5 rams. DDR5 It's only few extra bucks against DDR4 sticks.

The REAL reason is the very expensive AM5 motherboards, if you want some decent B650 motherboard and up, you need to pay almost 200$ or more. The cheaper options are ridiculous in characteristics, expandability and options. And yet, expensive for they are offering (cheapest B650 motherboards are discouraging for what are they offering you, and A620 motherboard are absolutely the crappy ones, and not enoughly cheap).

That makes expensive the AM5 platform, hell, the intel LGA 1700 platform is more atractive than AM5, and cheaper, at least if you look only to the motherboards. Equal or superior connectivity, better prices, and so on. This combined with the possibility of using DDR4, too, makes a BIG minus to AM5.

The AMD cpus are enough cheap against the intel alternatives, but the rest of the plaform makes AM5 less attractive than LGA1700. And the "solution" for AMD is "supporting" the almost deprecated AM4 as an cheap alternative and "enoughly modern" platform.

Well, AMD, I appreciate it, as an AM4 user. BUT I'ld appreciate much more if you, AMD, takes any action to make a viable and cheaper option for anybody with AM5 motherboards using at least some B650 motherboards that are decent enough (no, please, no more jokes with motherboards with 4 rear USBs, only 2 m2 slots, and no PCIe 5.0 in any slot of the mobo, and more absurd limitations) and don't cost me an eye.

I got this in a combo offer from Newegg https://www.newegg.com/asrock-b650e-pg-riptide-wifi/p/N82E16813162079?Item=N82E16813162079
It's a great MB, IMO, and the combo was with a 7900X, and this memory kit https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-32gb/p/N82E16820374419?Item=N82E16820374419 for free. Maybe the price for the MB is out of your range, but IMO, if you keep an eye out, there are some good deals out there.

 

[maxxcool7421]

So, the multi million dollar AMD, whom intended to support multiple generations of CPU, didnt think to mandate enough memory to hold the firmware needed. jeneus!. Like I said, hopefully AMD has learned from their previous idiocy

You Cleary do not have a job in the tech sector ... or production sector .. orrrrrr

 

[Proffo]

Well the problem with supporting the 300 and 400 series motherboards with 5000 series chips is that the bios wasn't large enough to hold the firmware update while also supporting older architectures. And while they do technically support the 5000 series chips I think it's only Asrock and Gigabyte who released firmware updates for their motherboards supporting the 5000 series on 300 series chipsets. This also has the problem of once you update the firmware the board nolonger (offically) supports chips other than the 5000 series. So if you have a bunch of zen1 chips laying around, like I do, you can no longer use them in boards with updated firmware.

There are good reasons the 5000 series wasn't supported and still isn't supported on many 300 series motherboards.

MSI provided a BIOS update for my X370 board that supported 5000 series CPUs.

 

[Fimbulvetr]

They couldn't have predicted that zen 3, which wasn't even in development at the time of the 300 series chipsets release, would take up more memory to operate correctly in the firmware than all of the previous generations combined.

Damned if they do damned if they don't. If they don't support it people get mad, if they try to support it then people also get mad. Nothing was stopping motherboard makers from putting a larger bios on the boards.

I'm probably the only one on this forum that runs a 5000 series on a 300 series chipset anyway.

You are not alone! I am running 5600 cpus on 2 machines, both with ASROCK AB350 boards. (and apologies on the double post of this above, the REPLY didn't work the first time for some reason.)

 

[GodisanAtheist]

I'd bet AM5 boards are pricey because board makers are pricing in potential future CPU upgrades into the initial boards.

They know Intel will swap sockets and force a board upgrade basically every gen to every other gen, but AMD might have users staying on one board through 4 CPU cycles, so they better charge more up front.

No more buying a $50 mobo for your 1300x and then keeping the same board all the way through a 5900x release...

 

[WhoCaresAnymore]

I love AMD’s long socket support. I extended my build’s life by dropping in a 5900X to replace my 2700X.

I do want to upgrade to an AM5 or LGA 1700 system solely because of the upgrade bug, but then I remember to fight the itch.

I just need to look at the total cost of upgrading... Then a big NOPE. My 5950X is awesome.

 

[muffindell]

OMG so much whinging and whining about AM4 and 300 boards are incompatible with newer chips. You cheaped out and bought a budget board, they have limitations and you knew this at the point of sale; now if you just went straight to a x570 board you would have nothing, yes nothing to complain about for however long you used Ryzen 1-5 series chips. Here endeth the lesson!