AMD is triumphing over Intel after a decade of second-best

[Shadowboxer]

I read a lot of people saying that it’s odd that people only care about 5-10% more gaming performance when Ryzen wins by bigger margins in other workloads.

It’s not odd at all, I use a workstation at work and Ryzen would almost certainly be better for what I use it for but would I spend my own money on that? Hell no! However, I come home and I fire up my big sound proofed RGB tower with overkill specs on it to play a game for a bit (Minecraft most likely lol), now that I am definitely happy to spend my own money on and I don’t give a dam how good at running multiple database queries that part is.

To the general market, productivity means more but to most enthusiasts, gaming is a lot more important that most other workloads. It’s a niche market but most of us here in these sort of comments sections are among that demographic. Who’s really buying RGB and cases with windows for a machine they are going to use in a professional environment?

 

[avioza]

Err what? Did you know what you where doing? I just put together 16 2400G machines for an accounting firm and not a single problem at all.. not one nada nill nothing.

Same here, I just finished loading our 12th 2400G system, not a hitch. Running great too.

 

[Shake]

You can, but you won't be able to see it The monitor needs to be plugged into a port that is connected to a graphics chip such as your GPU. Plugging into your motherboard IO shield will use the CPU which doesn't have a graphics chip.
Also if the CPU isn't working, it could be an older BIOS version or an incompatibility with the motherboard. So many possibilities - that's what makes building a PC "fun" or at least needs a good bit of investigation to make sure your parts work together.
I won't be able to help with any more troubleshooting as I don't have a Ryzen 3xxx but I do remember I had to overcome lots of problems (mostly with my RAM) when installing the Ryzen 1600 when it was first released. You'll find lots of help on the internet from others who are sufferring the same issues.

Yeah, that's why I'm hesitant, but I really wanna try out this new amd stuff. My last 2 intEl cpus had integrated graphics.
Thanks for your post

 

[trparky]

I'll keep buying Intel until AMD can at least narrow the huge gap in single-threaded IPC performance...

Go ahead, keep paying 15% to 30% more for that minuscule single-digit performance that Intel shovels your way. Meanwhile, AMD is providing very close to the same performance for a whole lot less.

 

[stevae]

With all the worlds money at its disposal, intel can buy anybody to come up faster than AMD. They can pay anybody for better marketing, advertising, engineer, or even trolls.

So with this in mind, please explain how AMD has come Roaring back from the dead, after Intels Illegal business practices almost killed them over one and a half decades ago? With all of Intel's money, R&D and illegal deals, they were unable to keep a tiny company like AMD down!!! With less than a tenth of Intels budget, AMD is out-competing Intel. They beat them to multicores, they've stolen their contract spaces in most of the computer sector, and they are putting out better all around processors, not to mention maneuvering they hands around nVidia's throat. Sorry, but innovation beats capital every time, unless criminal business practices are allowed to go unchecked as they were 15+ years ago. But that will NOT happen again.

 

[stevae]

In what sense? AMD's portfolio covers PC desktops and laptops; x86 workstations; servers; compute systems; datacentres; current and next consoles for Sony and Microsoft. The only area they don't currently compete in is supercomputers, but this will almost certainly change over the next couple of years. However, they're clearly behind Nvidia in the autonomous vehicle sector (well, they're not even in it) and Volta, Pascal, and Kepler still rule the roost in the supercomputer sector; they also don't compete at all with Intel in areas such as custom SoCs, networking, and storage. And yes, one could add top-end PC gaming to this comparison too.

But they're a tenth the size of Intel (in terms of workforce and revenue) and half that of Nvida (just revenue, workforce is similar). So without knowing what one expects of such a company, is there not a chance of just sleeping right through everything?

You are right about most of this EXCEPT the supercomputer comment. AMD just received a new contract for supercomputing. So AMD is not only competing in the supercomputing space, they are doing it well!!!
And AMD would be stupid to get into the SoC market, because Intel has their hands full with ARM right now. And most predict that ARM will beat them out within a few years. So Intel is getting it from all sides.
Lastly, AMD's newest Video cards have done extremely well. Better, actually, than most ever thought they would. And Navi 10 was not meant to knock nVidia's gpu's out. It was only meant to be a stepping stone for NAVI 20, which is meant to compete with nVidia's highest performing gpu's, the TI's.

 

[stevae]

It wasn't all that long ago they were accused of being Intel biased. The only bias here is readers opinions.

Thank you for putting some common sense into a ridiculous thread full of Intel fanboys. While I might lean towards AMD, I bought Intel for a very long time. But facts are facts. And these Intel fanboys are hilarious in their comments. AMD bias? Techspot????? LOLOLOLOLOL!!!! The minute they don't get their way, they start screaming, "biased"!!!! Hmmm! Reminds me of a political group...

 

[stevae]

Adding another tier of your product at the top and raise prices proportionately for that product is a basic marketing strategy.

Prices still come down since you're paying less per core as the equivalent (now lower) tier products are cheaper. Do it again and you now have 2 products sitting in a higher product level and can charge even more, but reduce the price on your lower products. The plebes get more for less and you bleed the guys who need/want the best dry.

roughly equivalent performance parts:

i7-6700K: 4C8T 4GHz all core Turbo $339 (list)
i5-9400: 6C6T 3.9GHz all core Turbo $182
i3-9350K: 4C4T ~4.3GHz all core Turbo $173

Intel added a tier of performance above the 6700K with the 6C12T 8700K and the price was decent at $359 list. Same goes for the 8C8T 9700K at $374 later on. Both these wipe the floor with the 6700K at a similar, but slightly higher price.

And then you have the 9900K, 2 tiers above the 6700K, offering more than twice the performance at $488. >100% more performance for only 25% more money. That's pretty good business, seems like a decent deal.

All the same goes for AMD, who finally forced Intel into doing actual business. In addition, for content creators AMD has 2 *more* tiers above Intel, and prices their products carefully to match those products' competitiveness with Intel. Again, good business and a decent deal for consumers.

Excellent post. But I think the facts and logic you used, will just upset the Intel fanboys. How hilarious is it to not fully understand how competition DOES lower prices, and help the consumer, and yet be pedantic enough to question others lack of understanding of simple economics??? The points of view from some of these guys are incredibly entertaining and almost comic relief.

 

[stevae]

I have built 17 PCs in the past 6 years, LGA 775, 1366, 1150, 1151, X99, and 2066 aside from that one. The nightmare the ryzen build presented was unprecedented : and all due to drivers.

And it matches my experience with their GPUs quite sensibly. Since I swap GPU s frequently across multiple sockets, I get to see this a lot; including systemic driver issues that AMD has still not fixed, like the unsigned drivers issue for which their fix of allowing unsigned drivers does not always work; though the worst I experienced was an amd gpu driver uninstall removing all motherboard usb drivers on an intel board. Doesn't happen all the time, but the fact it happens at all is unacceptable. On the nvidia side, no issues like this, ever.

AMD 290X, 390, 390X, Fury, Nano, RX 470, Vega 56
Nvidia GTX 660, 690, 770, 780, 780ti, Titan Black, 970, 980ti, 1060, 1070, 1080, 1080ti in the past 6 years and outside of a GPU dying the only issues I've had were driver side on AMD.

I've built ten pc's over the last 18 months. And all but two were AMD builds. I NEVER had any problems at all with drivers. NOTHING!!!! So you definitely are doing something really wrong. Maybe, you need to do some better research to figure out what you are doing wrong. But the problem is definitely you, NOT AMD. I haven't had problems with AMD drivers in more than eight or so years ago.

 

[stevae]

I read a lot of people saying that it’s odd that people only care about 5-10% more gaming performance when Ryzen wins by bigger margins in other workloads.

It’s not odd at all, I use a workstation at work and Ryzen would almost certainly be better for what I use it for but would I spend my own money on that? Hell no! However, I come home and I fire up my big sound proofed RGB tower with overkill specs on it to play a game for a bit (Minecraft most likely lol), now that I am definitely happy to spend my own money on and I don’t give a dam how good at running multiple database queries that part is.

To the general market, productivity means more but to most enthusiasts, gaming is a lot more important that most other workloads. It’s a niche market but most of us here in these sort of comments sections are among that demographic. Who’s really buying RGB and cases with windows for a machine they are going to use in a professional environment?

You are confused. Nobody is saying "5-10% more gaming performance"!!! They said 5-10 FPS in games. There is a HUGE difference between the two... And when you are gaming at 140-200fps, you can NOT see 10-20 fps difference on the screen at all. These fanboys who spend tons on those extra few fps are ONLY going to see them in benchmarks, not in actual performance.

 

[Markoni35]

Threadripper makes no sense anymore. Hopefully they won't release them anymore. They should fit everything into the Ryzen 9 family, because so many naming conventions confuse the buyers.

Ryzens for the normal people, EPYCs for the corporations, and that's it.

KISS principle ("Keep It Simple and Stupid")