AMD is working on 'high-performing' GPUs, but it may be a while

m3tavision

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I really think Dr Su has something up her sleeve.
They have stated more than once about several gpu tapings already done at 7nm, with one of them being vega20. What is the "other" gpu tape-outs, that is already working well and ahead of schedule on 7nm..?
I think a new 7nm stepping/spin of the vega20, reducing it size for gaming and GDDR5/6. This is what I believe that AMD is secretly sitting on and it comes in squarly at the RTX 2080 & 1080ti, but uses less watts.

If so, a 7nm Vega gaming card's price, could be anything AMD would want it to be ($1k?) , but would make a killing at $599. And doable at that price at 7nm.
3 months from now is doable by AMD and TSMC.
 

Evernessince

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Here in the UK a good vega 64 is about the same price as a 1080 ti armor, and that's if you can find the vega 64 in stock. Also, the gamersnexus video shows the card with 213% power target, which means that it is pulling about 550w alone, and as such really shouldn't be considered as the parts don't withstant such power draw easily. It's pointless to say "But in the US the price is x", as I (and a lot of other people) don't live in the US, and prices in Europe are generally different, and over here Nvidia is a way better deal (I'm not a fanboy I just want the best performance for the best price I can get)
For Example:
Asus Strix RX 580:£270 Asus Strix GTX 1060:£280 (Nvidia has lower power draw and slightly better performance)
Asus Strix RX Vega 56:£400 MSI Gaming GTX 1070 Ti:£405 (1070 ti is faster)
Asus Strix RX Vega 64:£460 GIgabyte G1 GTX 1080:£480 (GTX 1080 is slightly faster)

"Asus Strix RX 580:£270 Asus Strix GTX 1060:£280 (Nvidia has lower power draw and slightly better performance)"

Wrong, the RX 580 has better performance. TechSpot did an article on this recently.

"Asus Strix RX Vega 56:£400 MSI Gaming GTX 1070 Ti:£405 (1070 ti is faster)"

Nope, the two are about even. The Vega 56 definitely has more overclocking headroom.

"And this is without even mentioning the used market where you can get a good 1080 ti for about £430, which is way faster than the vega 64 or the gtx 1080, but still uses less power than the AMD card."

Yes and I can get a used Vega 64 for $240. You can't cherry pick used pricing vs new.

FYI UK pricing doesn't make US pricing irrelevant. The world doesn't revolve around the UK. If anything the US pricing means much more because the market is multiple times the size of the UK.

"I'm not a fanboy I just want the best performance for the best price I can get"

Your comment suggests otherwise. The GTX 1060 and RX 580 / Vega 56 and 1070 Ti are closely matched yet you dained to give Nvidia the advantage decisively to a single brand. TechSpot recommends the RX 580 over the 1060.

Here's value charts from techspot: https://www.techspot.com/article/1729-graphics-card-pricing-q4-2018/

But according to you Nvidia is the obviously "superior" choice, despite reviewers paining a very tight picture. That to me doesn't sound like objective thinking. It sounds very subjective.

You are getting a similar experience on either a GTX 1060 6GB and an RX 580 8GB. A nice bonus for the AMD cards it that right now they come with a free game bundle and you can get FreeSync on the cheap (free in most cases). The Nvidia variant will run you $200 more on average. That's a big deal given that's almost the price of the cards themselves.
 
Hope that AMD release something worthwhile.
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For Example:
Asus Strix RX 580:£270 Asus Strix GTX 1060:£280 (Nvidia has lower power draw and slightly better performance)
Asus Strix RX Vega 56:£400 MSI Gaming GTX 1070 Ti:£405 (1070 ti is faster)
Asus Strix RX Vega 64:£460 GIgabyte G1 GTX 1080:£480 (GTX 1080 is slightly faster)
 

Dextruction5

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I stated UK prices because they are quite simillar to european prices as a whole, and the general price trend in europe is quite simillar, and that was to show that different (but still large sales wise) regions have way different prices compared to places like the US, and so saying "X is a good deal" is very country specific (which is more of an issue of stupid GPU pricing outside the US). I'm not saying that AMD isn't a good deal at all, it's just not a good deal in my region (Europe), and AMD GPU availability is scarce outside of the RX 580 and lower, but I didn't want to mention those cards since the article talks about "High-end" cards, and so I assume it is not talking about the RX 580. Thus, I hope that AMD can introduce a good high end card for the price that means that Nvidia will lose market share and stop releasing GPU's that are £200-£300 up in price from the last generation (and I don't think pointlessly buying GPU's from AMD will change the situation, in the same way that even though intel had a high market share, AMD was still able to pull through and release ryzen as a competitive product.)
 

kmo911

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Still amd got a good marked. console phone and so on. sometimes we buy amd nvidia just to try them out, to choose from both are nice. if you just need a decent gpu you coose nvidia amd matrox. even a 128mb pci card can handle many games. if you wanna try me buy me. now you can put matrox amd nvida and so on and choose to let nvidia take the psyx and amd to tak... and so on. old ati amd. just put it in and we will use it. win xp-10 gpus are still good. running low fps and high when you need it. or simple buy a laptop. 128 mb pcie 2.0 mini 3.0. use the experss port to run a better gpu straitght from the e epress port. just look for them and try them out before you buy. ps win 10 drivers must alteast be supported. does amd got rtx..not yet.
 

Dwayne Matheson

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In fact I saw a Vega 56 for $300 flat the other day. The Vega 56 overclocks very well too, GamersNexus did an article showing how they could OC the card on air past a 2070. $300 for a card that outperforms a $550 - $600 card.

I suggest you go watch the GN video again, he did not just "overclock" the Vega 56. He modded the firmware to allow the card to draw well over 240% power. This isn't something just anyone off the street can accomplish, and you make it seem as though it is an everyday kind of thing. Also, the mod allowed the Vega 56 to beat a Stock clocked RTX 2070 in SOME applications.

Also Steve at GN mentions that he has no idea how long the card would last after running for any length of time with the huge power draw. : "One final note: We must warn that we aren’t sure of the long-term impact of running Vega 56 with this much power going through it. If you want to do this yourself, be advised that long-term damage is a possibility for which we cannot account."
 

Evernessince

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I suggest you go watch the GN video again, he did not just "overclock" the Vega 56. He modded the firmware to allow the card to draw well over 240% power. This isn't something just anyone off the street can accomplish, and you make it seem as though it is an everyday kind of thing. Also, the mod allowed the Vega 56 to beat a Stock clocked RTX 2070 in SOME applications.

Also Steve at GN mentions that he has no idea how long the card would last after running for any length of time with the huge power draw. : "One final note: We must warn that we aren’t sure of the long-term impact of running Vega 56 with this much power going through it. If you want to do this yourself, be advised that long-term damage is a possibility for which we cannot account."

PowerPlay tables aren't firmware lol
 

Dwayne Matheson

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PowerPlay tables aren't firmware lol

Forgive my ignorance on the intricacies of modding Vega 56. When I clicked through on the GN article on the Vega 56 Powerplay Tables mod it took me to a page where they were discussing BIOS mods and other things. Certainly doesn't seem like something a typical user would be doing, even if it seems simple to you. Point being, you can overclock the Vega 56 all you want, but without pumping roughly 240% more power into it you are not matching a stock 2070.
 

Evernessince

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Forgive my ignorance on the intricacies of modding Vega 56. When I clicked through on the GN article on the Vega 56 Powerplay Tables mod it took me to a page where they were discussing BIOS mods and other things. Certainly doesn't seem like something a typical user would be doing, even if it seems simple to you. Point being, you can overclock the Vega 56 all you want, but without pumping roughly 240% more power into it you are not matching a stock 2070.

That's alright everyone makes mistakes.

Sure it takes a ton more power. Or you could shoot for just under 150% and get 95% of 2070 performance. In any case that's one heck of a steal at $300.

Modding the power play tables is pretty easy. If you can do regular overclocks you can mod the power play tables.