AMD might have delayed RDNA 4 launch due to oversupply of RDNA 3 graphics cards

[Rapob]

AMD market share started to go down long before Ray tracing was even invented. Your "arguments" are total BS as usual. Learn some history first.

Not really:

Nvidia's grasp of desktop GPU market balloons to 88% — AMD has just 12%, Intel negligible, says JPR

The discrete GPU industry is returning to seasonality.

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RT, Path Tracing, Ray Reconstruction, DLSS, DLAA, DLDSR, Reflex and more, is the reason why Nvidia steamrolls AMD right now, and did for years.

AMD tried to copy/paste all RTX features but failed everytime.
Also, FSR adoption is low. DLSS is in 600+ games now and you can change out the dll easily and use the newest DLSS version.

AMD is years behind on everything. Left high-end GPU race for a reason. RDNA4 is already being called RDOA4 due to it not bringing anything we don't already have.

Best RDNA4 SKU will battle with 5060 series only.
Also Intel Battlemage should easily be able to compete with most RDNA4 SKUs.

AMDs abandons MCM with RDNA4. Was a huge failure on Radeon 7000 series.

AMDs biggest GPU competitor will be Intel in a few years, not Nvidia.

 

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Not really:

Nvidia's grasp of desktop GPU market balloons to 88% — AMD has just 12%, Intel negligible, says JPR

The discrete GPU industry is returning to seasonality.

www.tomshardware.com

RT, Path Tracing, Ray Reconstruction, DLSS, DLAA, DLDSR, Reflex and more, is the reason why Nvidia steamrolls AMD right now, and did for years.

AMD tried to copy/paste all RTX features but failed everytime.
Also, FSR adoption is low. DLSS is in 600+ games now and you can change out the dll easily and use the newest DLSS version.

AMD is years behind on everything. Left high-end GPU race for a reason. RDNA4 is already being called RDOA4 due to it not bringing anything we don't already have.

Best RDNA4 SKU will battle with 5060 series only.
Also Intel Battlemage should easily be able to compete with most RDNA4 SKUs.

AMDs abandons MCM with RDNA4. Was a huge failure on Radeon 7000 series.

AMDs biggest GPU competitor will be Intel in a few years, not Nvidia.

FYI, AMD market share began going down before 2010. At that point there was nothing even remotely ray tracing on GPUs. Like I said, learn some history.

AMD abandoned high end long time ago before they knew it won't be profitable. Intel is years behind AMD on drivers. Also when it comes to integrated solutions, Nvidia has basically nothing. AMD dominates iGPU market on handhelds and consoles. Nvidia only powers underperforming Nintendo consoles that are only good for kids.

 

[Lew Zealand]

7900XTX is stomped by 4090 when you not just look at raster perf like its 2015 and ignore old gales.

One of the most popular games right now, and one of the best games this year:

Black Myth Wukong In-Game Performance Benchmark Review - 35 GPUs Tested

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4090 is 40% faster in 1440p and 4K/UHD.

When you enable RT, 7900XTX is literally being stomped to bits and 4090 is 300-400-500% faster depending on settings.

Also, DLSS and DLAA is the best way to play the game. FSR looks mediocre in comparison. DLAA beats native. Even DLSS beats native in many aspecs, while upping performance.

Even 4080 smashes it in both raster and especially RT.

7900XTX is closer to 4070 Ti series in pretty much all new games. AMD GPUs are tanked hard by new RT elements that is forced in many games now.

Keep dreaming tho. Ignoring reality won't make AMD GPUs compete in high-end. AMD left high-end for a reason. Can't compete at all. Especially when you don't just look at silly raster perf and ignore features like DLSS, DLAA, DLDSR, Reflex, Shadowplay which all beats AMDs counterpart with absolute ease.

And this is why AMD GPU marketshare keeps going down. 9 out of 10 people buying a GPU is not looking at raster only. Also, they look at performance in brand new games coming out and Nvidia wins in 9 out of 10.

Funny how AMD officially raises the white flag, leaves high-end yet fanboys keeps insisting that 7900XTX is a 4090 competitor for half the price. LMAO. Delusional.

LOL. You shouldn't feel the need to justify anything to the internet, just enjoy what you have.

 

[Rapob]

LOL. You shouldn't feel the need to justify anything to the internet, just enjoy what you have.

Another new highly popular game tested, and AMD falls behind once again, like in pretty much all new games:

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This is a tech forum, get used to facts.

 

[Rapob]

FYI, AMD market share began going down before 2010. At that point there was nothing even remotely ray tracing on GPUs. Like I said, learn some history.

AMD abandoned high end long time ago before they knew it won't be profitable. Intel is years behind AMD on drivers. Also when it comes to integrated solutions, Nvidia has basically nothing. AMD dominates iGPU market on handhelds and consoles. Nvidia only powers underperforming Nintendo consoles that are only good for kids.

Can you read a graph? One was provided showing you are wrong. AMD GPU marketshare is up and down. Mostly down post DLSS 2 was released. DLSS 2 was released in 2020. AMD marketshare has been dropping hard since 2020. Coincidence? Nah. RTX has tons of features today, with widespread support.

AMD tries to copy/paste RTX features in full panic mode, yet fails every time. There's still hope left tho, lets see if they can come back, with aggressively priced Radeon 8000 series, sadly will only be low to mid-end.

AMD abandoned high-end because they can't compete and people don't want to pay big money for raster perf only and mediocre upscaling + RT. They need to focus on low to mid end only. People with alot of money for a GPU, won't buy an AMD GPU in its current state anyway.

Tons of games has software RT today. UE5 Lumen for example. That is why most new games run worse on AMD GPUs.

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7800XT, 6900XT, 6800XT at 3070, 4060 Ti level.
Software RT kills AMD performance once again and more and more games uses it.

Intel drivers improved immensely in just a few years. Gamers Nexus tested this. Again you are fanboy'ing hard as usual. https://gamersnexus.net/gpus/one-year-later-intel-arc-gpu-drivers-bugs-huge-improvements

AMD did not even do their GPUs from scratch like Intel, they just bought ATi and still failed miserably long term. Intel is catching up fast.

Nintendo uses Nvidia because AMD can't deliver what Nvidia does. Nintendo wants leading performance per watt and with Switch 2, the best upscaling tech in the business. AMD tried to get the deal, Nintendo said no thanks.

 

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Can you read a graph? One was provided showing you are wrong. AMD GPU marketshare is up and down. Mostly down post DLSS 2 was released. DLSS 2 was released in 2020. AMD marketshare has been dropping hard since 2020. Coincidence? Nah. RTX has tons of features today, with widespread support.

AMD tries to copy/paste RTX features in full panic mode, yet fails every time. There's still hope left tho, lets see if they can come back, with aggressively priced Radeon 8000 series, sadly will only be low to mid-end.

AMD abandoned high-end because they can't compete and people don't want to pay big money for raster perf only and mediocre upscaling + RT. They need to focus on low to mid end only. People with alot of money for a GPU, won't buy an AMD GPU in its current state anyway.

Tons of games has software RT today. UE5 Lumen for example. That is why most new games run worse on AMD GPUs.

Silent Hill 2 Remake Performance Benchmark Review - 35 GPUs Tested

Silent Hill 2 Remake lets you relive the iconic classic with modern graphics thanks to Unreal Engine 5. The PC version offers enhanced visuals, featuring support for cutting-edge technologies like DLSS, FSR and ray tracing. In our performance review, we'll look at the game's graphics quality...

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7800XT, 6900XT, 6800XT at 3070, 4060 Ti level.
Software RT kills AMD performance once again and more and more games uses it.

Intel drivers improved immensely in just a few years. Gamers Nexus tested this. Again you are fanboy'ing hard as usual. https://gamersnexus.net/gpus/one-year-later-intel-arc-gpu-drivers-bugs-huge-improvements

AMD did not even do their GPUs from scratch like Intel, they just bought ATi and still failed miserably long term. Intel is catching up fast.

Nintendo uses Nvidia because AMD can't deliver what Nvidia does. Nintendo wants leading performance per watt and with Switch 2, the best upscaling tech in the business. AMD tried to get the deal, Nintendo said no thanks.

Here's your problem: You talk about GPU market share but still consider discrete share to be total share. AMD total share has stayed around same for long time. Only discrete share has dropped. When AMD released first "good" APUs? That's when AMD Discrete share started dropping. So reason is not Nvidia related but fact that better APUs mean less need for low end discrete trash. Again, just reading graphs is not enough if you don't actually Understand anything.

Catching up is easy if distance is long. Intel is still years behind.

Despite this DLSS "awesomeness" Sony and MS chose AMD

 

[Rapob]

Here's your problem: You talk about GPU market share but still consider discrete share to be total share. AMD total share has stayed around same for long time. Only discrete share has dropped. When AMD released first "good" APUs? That's when AMD Discrete share started dropping. So reason is not Nvidia related but fact that better APUs mean less need for low end discrete trash. Again, just reading graphs is not enough if you don't actually Understand anything.

Catching up is easy if distance is long. Intel is still years behind.

Despite this DLSS "awesomeness" Sony and MS chose AMD

AMD APUs are still pretty crap for most users. A cheap CPU + a cheap GPU beats them with ease.

Lunar Lake beats AMD with ease on mobile.

AMDs total marketshare is bad no matter how you look at it: https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/videocard/

They loose in both dGPU and iGPU.

Intel has way higher iGPU marketshare than AMD too. Intel CPUs had iGPU for longer than AMD.

Intel is not much behind AMD in terms of GPU drivers, because AMDs drivers are not on par with Nvidias either and never was. AMD GPU = Wonky performance in tons of games. Just like Intel. AMD is closer to Intel drivers than Nvidia drivers.

And this is why Intel and AMD fights over low to mid-end. While Nvidia owns mid to high-end without even trying. Nvidia's focus is on AI, where they dominate completely and earn billions every week. Nvidia don't care about the low-end market but still has the most marketshare here, by far.

Sony and MS uses AMD because its cheap for the most part. Nvidia never really bothered with console market. Nintendo was begging Nvidia to use Tegra in Switch. Look it up. Nvidia did not really want to waste time on it, however after Switch sold 150+ million units, Nvidia might as well take Switch 2 deal again. Easy money.

 

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AMD APUs are still pretty crap for most users. A cheap CPU + a cheap GPU beats them with ease.

Lunar Lake beats AMD with ease on mobile.

AMDs total marketshare is bad no matter how you look at it: https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/videocard/

They loose in both dGPU and iGPU.

Intel has way higher iGPU marketshare than AMD too. Intel CPUs had iGPU for longer than AMD.

Intel is not much behind AMD in terms of GPU drivers, because AMDs drivers are not on par with Nvidias either and never was. AMD GPU = Wonky performance in tons of games. Just like Intel. AMD is closer to Intel drivers than Nvidia drivers.

And this is why Intel and AMD fights over low to mid-end. While Nvidia owns mid to high-end without even trying. Nvidia's focus is on AI, where they dominate completely and earn billions every week. Nvidia don't care about the low-end market but still has the most marketshare here, by far.

Sony and MS uses AMD because its cheap for the most part. Nvidia never really bothered with console market. Nintendo was begging Nvidia to use Tegra in Switch. Look it up. Nvidia did not really want to waste time on it, however after Switch sold 150+ million units, Nvidia might as well take Switch 2 deal again. Easy money.

Nvidia drivers are also outdated crap despite fanboys telling different story.

Intel also dominates against Nvidia. However Nvidia iGPU share is basically zero.

Again AMD has modern drivers whereas Nvidia have outdated ones. That even require registration

Wrong. Nvidia focuses much more on low end than AMD. Nvidia has to because no iGPU.

Last time Nintendo chose Nvidia because Nvidia has superior DLSS etc. Now it's suddenly Nvidia is not interested in consoles and Nintendo chose Nvidia because they already used Nvidia on Switch. Trolls like you eventually get caught.

 

[Rapob]

Nvidia drivers are also outdated crap despite fanboys telling different story.

Intel also dominates against Nvidia. However Nvidia iGPU share is basically zero.

Again AMD has modern drivers whereas Nvidia have outdated ones. That even require registration

Wrong. Nvidia focuses much more on low end than AMD. Nvidia has to because no iGPU.

Last time Nintendo chose Nvidia because Nvidia has superior DLSS etc. Now it's suddenly Nvidia is not interested in consoles and Nintendo chose Nvidia because they already used Nvidia on Switch. Trolls like you eventually get caught.

Hahaha, Nvidia drivers and features are next level compared to AMD ones. This is why Nvidia keeps gaining marketshare while AMDs goes down. Even with cheaper prices, game bundles and low margins, people are not buying AMD GPUs.

You can fanboy all you want, does not change reality. Nvidia is at like 90% dGPU marketshare now and gaining.

This is why AMD left high-end. It is not profitable for then. There is no customers in the high-end market for AMD, they all buy Nvidia to get top tier performance regardless of game and the best features. People who bought 7900XTX on release for 1000-1100 dollars can't even sell it for 500 dollars today. AMDs constant pricedrops is bad for resell value and AMD cards have low demand in the used market.

Nvidia don't care about iGPUs, LMAO. They don't care about low-end either, because margins are too low. Waste of time.

Nvidia are not interrested in consoles, however Nintendo begged Nvidia to use Tegra and Nvidia let them. AMD had nothing and still has nothing in this segment. AMD is years behind on upscaling and don't have the performance per watt to be viable in handhelds. Even Intel Lunar Lake beats AMD on mobile.

Must be hard being an AMD fanboy their GPUs are simply mediocre at best.

Lets hope Radeon 8000 series will change this, or AMD will soon be leaving mid-end as well. Best RDNA4 GPU will hit 5060 series level tops. 5070 and up, will be Nvidias domain because AMD won't have an answer at all.

AMD and Intel might be fighting for low-end in a couple of years. Taking what Nvidia don't want. That is the sad reality.

AMD don't have the R&D funds to compete in GPU market.

 

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Hahaha, Nvidia drivers and features are next level compared to AMD ones. This is why Nvidia keeps gaining marketshare while AMDs goes down. Even with cheaper prices, game bundles and low margins, people are not buying AMD GPUs.

You can fanboy all you want, does not change reality. Nvidia is at like 90% dGPU marketshare now and gaining.

This is why AMD left high-end. It is not profitable for then. There is no customers in the high-end market for AMD, they all buy Nvidia to get top tier performance regardless of game and the best features. People who bought 7900XTX on release for 1000-1100 dollars can't even sell it for 500 dollars today. AMDs constant pricedrops is bad for resell value and AMD cards have low demand in the used market.

Nvidia don't care about iGPUs, LMAO. They don't care about low-end either, because margins are too low. Waste of time.

Nvidia are not interrested in consoles, however Nintendo begged Nvidia to use Tegra and Nvidia let them. AMD had nothing and still has nothing in this segment. AMD is years behind on upscaling and don't have the performance per watt to be viable in handhelds. Even Intel Lunar Lake beats AMD on mobile.

Must be hard being an AMD fanboy their GPUs are simply mediocre at best.

Lets hope Radeon 8000 series will change this, or AMD will soon be leaving mid-end as well. Best RDNA4 GPU will hit 5060 series level tops. 5070 and up, will be Nvidias domain because AMD won't have an answer at all.

AMD and Intel might be fighting for low-end in a couple of years. Taking what Nvidia don't want. That is the sad reality.

AMD don't have the R&D funds to compete in GPU market.

Nvidia drivers generally suck against AMD ones.

Intel has had dGPU market share very low for decades. And still leads overall. They just don't care.

AMD could have beaten Nvidia on high end, they just didn't see it worthwhile. Because customers have decided to buy Nvidia even if AMD is better on everything. No need to disagree, history proves that right.

Nintendo just wanted something low end trash and Nvidia had low end trash. Simple as that. Basically you admit Intel needed Lunar Lake to beat AMD so AMD was ahead Before Lunar Lake? That's what I expected.

 

[Felusy]

Nvidia drivers generally suck against AMD ones.

Intel has had dGPU market share very low for decades. And still leads overall. They just don't care.

AMD could have beaten Nvidia on high end, they just didn't see it worthwhile. Because customers have decided to buy Nvidia even if AMD is better on everything. No need to disagree, history proves that right.

Nintendo just wanted something low end trash and Nvidia had low end trash. Simple as that. Basically you admit Intel needed Lunar Lake to beat AMD so AMD was ahead Before Lunar Lake? That's what I expected.

Nvidia drivers don't suck. They work insanely well. Best GPU drivers by far and support and optimization in games are top notch regardless of games. AMD has wonky performance in tons of games, due to low marketshare and low focus from developers. Also AMD is slow on the driverside in most cases, releasing drivers for new games too late. Nvidia always have day one drivers ready for new games.

AMD could not have beaten Nvidia, if they could, they would have done it and been where Nvidia is now. AMD leaving high-end GPU market, is the first nail in the coffin. Hopefully I am wrong. We will see if AMD can gain some marketshare in the next few years.

 

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Nvidia drivers don't suck. They work insanely well. Best GPU drivers by far and support and optimization in games are top notch regardless of games. AMD has wonky performance in tons of games, due to low marketshare and low focus from developers. Also AMD is slow on the driverside in most cases, releasing drivers for new games too late. Nvidia always have day one drivers ready for new games.

AMD could not have beaten Nvidia, if they could, they would have done it and been where Nvidia is now. AMD leaving high-end GPU market, is the first nail in the coffin. Hopefully I am wrong. We will see if AMD can gain some marketshare in the next few years.

AMD driver interface is modern after they remade drivers. Nvidia has antique one still.

Once again you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. 4090 die is much bigger than 7900XTX GCD die. Since manufacturing techs are pretty much same, AMD could make "7900XTX" die that size matches 4090. Then AMD would be faster on everything, including RT. So yes, AMD didn't want to beat Nvidia on high end because it was not worth it.

 

[Felusy]

AMD driver interface is modern after they remade drivers. Nvidia has antique one still.

Once again you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. 4090 die is much bigger than 7900XTX GCD die. Since manufacturing techs are pretty much same, AMD could make "7900XTX" die that size matches 4090. Then AMD would be faster on everything, including RT. So yes, AMD didn't want to beat Nvidia on high end because it was not worth it.

Nvidia App exists you know. You have zero experience with Nvidia I see.

Nvidia has way better features overall and performance is top notch in all games. Driver UI is not what we talk about, who visits driver UI all the time, AMD users having issues I guess?

Your dreams about what AMD is capable of does not seem to reflect reality. As usual. They are behind in all GPU markets: Enterprise, AI and Gaming and sadly they have no chance of catching up anytime soon.

AMDs RT performance is years behind

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7900XTX on 4070 level.
6800XT on 3070 level.

Yes Silent Hill 2 uses RT all the time. UE5 Lumen. Like many new games today. This is why AMD struggle in so many new games.

Black Myth Wukong In-Game Performance Benchmark Review - 35 GPUs Tested

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Best rated game in 2023 and broke Steam player records. Nvidia reigns supreme once again. AMD is way behind. Again, software RT is used.

AMD officially said RT has been a focus for Radeon 8000, yet you claim their RT performance is fine? Haha, please. Even AMD knows its not good enough.

Even games made for AMD hardware to begin with, runs better with Nvidia on PC:

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7900XTX performs closer to 4070 Ti series in all new demanding games, and 7900XTX uses 350-400 watts. 4080 beats it while using 300 watts.

Also DLSS/DLAA beats FSR just like DLSS FG beats FSR FG.

You get what you pay for. Nvidia = Better efficiency, better features, better drivers with less issues in games. Nvidia also works way better for emulation. This is why Nvidia keeps gaining marketshare.

 

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Nvidia App exists you know. You have zero experience with Nvidia I see.

Nvidia has way better features overall and performance is top notch in all games. Driver UI is not what we talk about, who visits driver UI all the time, AMD users having issues I guess?

Your dreams about what AMD is capable of does not seem to reflect reality. As usual. They are behind in all GPU markets: Enterprise, AI and Gaming and sadly they have no chance of catching up anytime soon.

AMDs RT performance is years behind

Silent Hill 2 Remake Performance Benchmark Review - 35 GPUs Tested

Silent Hill 2 Remake lets you relive the iconic classic with modern graphics thanks to Unreal Engine 5. The PC version offers enhanced visuals, featuring support for cutting-edge technologies like DLSS, FSR and ray tracing. In our performance review, we'll look at the game's graphics quality...

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7900XTX on 4070 level.
6800XT on 3070 level.

Yes Silent Hill 2 uses RT all the time. UE5 Lumen. Like many new games today. This is why AMD struggle in so many new games.

Black Myth Wukong In-Game Performance Benchmark Review - 35 GPUs Tested

Black Myth Wukong has over two million gamers playing the game. This souls-like action RPG is a huge hit, especially in China. Powered by Unreal Engine 5, the graphics look great, but hardware requirements are definitely not on the light side, we had to use upscaling. In our performance review...

www.techpowerup.com

Best rated game in 2023 and broke Steam player records. Nvidia reigns supreme once again. AMD is way behind. Again, software RT is used.

AMD officially said RT has been a focus for Radeon 8000, yet you claim their RT performance is fine? Haha, please. Even AMD knows its not good enough.

Even games made for AMD hardware to begin with, runs better with Nvidia on PC:

God of War Ragnarök Performance Benchmark Review - 35 GPUs Tested

The long-awaited God of War Ragnarök is now available on PC, bringing the latest chapter of the epic action-adventure series to a whole new audience. The PC version offers enhanced visuals, featuring support for cutting-edge technologies like DLSS, FSR, and Frame Generation. In our performance...

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7900XTX performs closer to 4070 Ti series in all new demanding games, and 7900XTX uses 350-400 watts. 4080 beats it while using 300 watts.

Also DLSS/DLAA beats FSR just like DLSS FG beats FSR FG.

You get what you pay for. Nvidia = Better efficiency, better features, better drivers with less issues in games. Nvidia also works way better for emulation. This is why Nvidia keeps gaining marketshare.

UI is one metric for better drivers. And there AMD wins so AMD has better drivers.

RT performance is all about how much fixed function hardware you want to waste on GPU area. Nothing else. AMD, Intel, Apple, Qualcomm etc etc could make faster RT GPU than anything Nvidia has now. They just don't want to because pure RT GPU would be too slow anyway.

RT is still mostly useless. Few games support it but most do not. And even when it's supported, Nvidia is too slow anyway. no-one really cares if FPS is 5 or 10. It's too slow anyway despite 10 FPS is two times faster.

Like I explained long time ago, Nvidia gainer market share before there was even dream of RT on GPUs. And that is reason why AMD doesn't care. Customers decided Nvidia is better even when it's not so why should AMD care?

 

[Felusy]

UI is one metric for better drivers. And there AMD wins so AMD has better drivers.

RT performance is all about how much fixed function hardware you want to waste on GPU area. Nothing else. AMD, Intel, Apple, Qualcomm etc etc could make faster RT GPU than anything Nvidia has now. They just don't want to because pure RT GPU would be too slow anyway.

RT is still mostly useless. Few games support it but most do not. And even when it's supported, Nvidia is too slow anyway. no-one really cares if FPS is 5 or 10. It's too slow anyway despite 10 FPS is two times faster.

Like I explained long time ago, Nvidia gainer market share before there was even dream of RT on GPUs. And that is reason why AMD doesn't care. Customers decided Nvidia is better even when it's not so why should AMD care?

Nah AMD don't win on drivers because you like their UI better. Tons of their features are not working right when you enable them in their drivers. I will take Nvidia drivers any day, so would 90% of PC users, this is why Nvidia has 90% marketshare.

AMD drivers in a nutshell: https://www.windowscentral.com/soft...ent-amd-drivers-from-bricking-your-windows-pc

They had like 3 or 4 drivers in a year that could brick your OS. That is not good drivers. That is rushed garbage drivers.

AMD likes to rush things tho. Anti Lag + got people VAC banned because AMD released the feature before even testing it. https://community.amd.com/t5/gaming...-on-radeon-gpus-vac-banned-on-cs2/td-p/638533

Yeah, that is some really good software AMD got there. Great drivers. Also, the feature don't even work as well as RTX Reflex.

AMD can't do RT because architecture can't do it well. It was not a focus for AMD ealier. AMD officially said RT perf has been a focus with RDNA4 development, why do you think. RT is the future of PC gaming. Nvidia can easily do RT in tons of games and RT is present in alot of games today. Also, DLSS is the best upscaling and DLAA is the best for image quality, beats native with ease.

AMD could not compete in the GPU market and therefore scaled down. Left high-end. AMD can't compete in AI and Enterprise GPUs either. This is where Nvidia makes billions every month. Nvidia owns the gaming GPU market without even trying, because their focus is AI and Enterprise. AMD is simply years behind in all areas of the GPU market.

AMD and Intel will be fighting for low end in a few years and only because Nvidia don't really care about low-end market, or they would dominate here as well, margins are too low for them to even bother.

AMD is a CPU company first, so this was expected to happen. Nvidia has 100 times the R&D funds of AMD and the gap only got bigger after Nvidia skyrocketed to top 3 in terms of market cap. AMD has no chance of catching Nvidia again. It is game over.

 

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Nah AMD don't win on drivers because you like their UI better. Tons of their features are not working right when you enable them in their drivers. I will take Nvidia drivers any day, so would 90% of PC users, this is why Nvidia has 90% marketshare.

AMD drivers in a nutshell: https://www.windowscentral.com/soft...ent-amd-drivers-from-bricking-your-windows-pc

They had like 3 or 4 drivers in a year that could brick your OS. That is not good drivers. That is rushed garbage drivers.

AMD likes to rush things tho. Anti Lag + got people VAC banned because AMD released the feature before even testing it. https://community.amd.com/t5/gaming...-on-radeon-gpus-vac-banned-on-cs2/td-p/638533

Yeah, that is some really good software AMD got there. Great drivers. Also, the feature don't even work as well as RTX Reflex.

AMD can't do RT because architecture can't do it well. It was not a focus for AMD ealier. AMD officially said RT perf has been a focus with RDNA4 development, why do you think. RT is the future of PC gaming. Nvidia can easily do RT in tons of games and RT is present in alot of games today. Also, DLSS is the best upscaling and DLAA is the best for image quality, beats native with ease.

AMD could not compete in the GPU market and therefore scaled down. Left high-end. AMD can't compete in AI and Enterprise GPUs either. This is where Nvidia makes billions every month. Nvidia owns the gaming GPU market without even trying, because their focus is AI and Enterprise. AMD is simply years behind in all areas of the GPU market.

AMD and Intel will be fighting for low end in a few years and only because Nvidia don't really care about low-end market, or they would dominate here as well, margins are too low for them to even bother.

AMD is a CPU company first, so this was expected to happen. Nvidia has 100 times the R&D funds of AMD and the gap only got bigger after Nvidia skyrocketed to top 3 in terms of market cap. AMD has no chance of catching Nvidia again. It is game over.

Nvidia new driver app is still in beta. That driver problem was about Windows, not AMD drivers.

How you test something like VAC that Valve doesn't even allow for testing? Only thing you can do is to use it and then wait for random period of time. Blaming AMD for VAC ban is one of stupidest thing I have heard.

AMDs latest AI chip beats Nvidia with ease. AMD is not years behind, they just buold something that sells. As for RT, we can safely say now that all Nvidia RT GPUs before 4000 series were waste of money for RT. 3000 series and before are way too slow for RT.

AMD decided to focus on CPUs because people actually buy better CPUs. On GPU side Nvidia sells no matter how bad it is against AMD.

 

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Nvidia new driver app is still in beta. That driver problem was about Windows, not AMD drivers.

How you test something like VAC that Valve doesn't even allow for testing? Only thing you can do is to use it and then wait for random period of time. Blaming AMD for VAC ban is one of stupidest thing I have heard.

AMDs latest AI chip beats Nvidia with ease. AMD is not years behind, they just buold something that sells. As for RT, we can safely say now that all Nvidia RT GPUs before 4000 series were waste of money for RT. 3000 series and before are way too slow for RT.

AMD decided to focus on CPUs because people actually buy better CPUs. On GPU side Nvidia sells no matter how bad it is against AMD.

Nvidia App works flawlessly and more and more features are coming.

Yes AMD driver was the reason Windows bricked. AMD did not test it. They almost never test software before release.

You can easily test stuff like Anti Lag + if AMD actually reached out and worked with game developers. Usually they don't and this is also the reason why many games runs worse on AMD.

AMDs AI chip don't beat Nvidia at all and AMD only looks at cherrypicked testing anyway.

AMD admits its Instinct MI300X AI accelerator still can't quite beat Nvidia's H100 Hopper

On Wednesday, AMD released benchmarks comparing the performance of its MI300X with Nvidia's H100 GPU to showcase its Gen AI inference capabilities. For the LLama2-70B model, a...

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And H100 is old news. Blackwell is sold out for the next 12 months. https://www.techspot.com/news/105110-nvidia-blackwell-gpus-sold-out-next-12-months.html

Nvidia has 95% AI marketshare not only because their GPUs are superior but the whole ecosystem behind it. Nvidia simply offers a complete suite and backend solution, AMD offers just a GPU, that is the huge difference. Outside of a few niche benchmarks, AMD is not even close.

Both 3000 and 4000 series can do RT well and RT is used in many games even if RT is off now. I can also use Path Tracing on my 4090, which will make a 7900XTX break down and deliver single digit fps.

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7900XTX is on 4070 SUPER level even with "RT OFF" because it is not really off. UE5 uses Lumen for reflections etc. Tons of games uses UE5 engine now and AMDs performance is subpar in it.

Avatar also uses forced RT elements, using the Snowdrop engine:

Avatar: Frontiers of Pandora Performance Benchmark Review - 30+ GPUs Tested

Avatar: Frontiers of Pandora features stunning visuals that recreate the movie franchise's unique universe. There's also support for AMD FSR 3 Frame Generation and NVIDIA DLSS. In our performance review, we're taking a closer look at image quality, VRAM usage, and performance on a wide selection...

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It was even AMD sponsored, yet AMD GPUs were destroyed in it.

Another game that was AMD sponsored was Starfield, you know, the huge failure of 2023, and the most funny part of the game, is that AMD users had no sun for weeks if not months post release. Worked just fine on Nvidia. Meaning developers used Nvidia for testing.

I have never seen a bigger AMD fanboy than you. According to you, they could dominate in all markets, yet they decide not to - MAKES SENSE.

 

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Nvidia App works flawlessly and more and more features are coming.

Yes AMD driver was the reason Windows bricked. AMD did not test it. They almost never test software before release.

You can easily test stuff like Anti Lag + if AMD actually reached out and worked with game developers. Usually they don't and this is also the reason why many games runs worse on AMD.

AMDs AI chip don't beat Nvidia at all and AMD only looks at cherrypicked testing anyway.

AMD admits its Instinct MI300X AI accelerator still can't quite beat Nvidia's H100 Hopper

On Wednesday, AMD released benchmarks comparing the performance of its MI300X with Nvidia's H100 GPU to showcase its Gen AI inference capabilities. For the LLama2-70B model, a...

www.techspot.com

And H100 is old news. Blackwell is sold out for the next 12 months. https://www.techspot.com/news/105110-nvidia-blackwell-gpus-sold-out-next-12-months.html

Nvidia has 95% AI marketshare not only because their GPUs are superior but the whole ecosystem behind it. Nvidia simply offers a complete suite and backend solution, AMD offers just a GPU, that is the huge difference. Outside of a few niche benchmarks, AMD is not even close.

Both 3000 and 4000 series can do RT well and RT is used in many games even if RT is off now. I can also use Path Tracing on my 4090, which will make a 7900XTX break down and deliver single digit fps.

Silent Hill 2 Remake Performance Benchmark Review - 35 GPUs Tested

Silent Hill 2 Remake lets you relive the iconic classic with modern graphics thanks to Unreal Engine 5. The PC version offers enhanced visuals, featuring support for cutting-edge technologies like DLSS, FSR and ray tracing. In our performance review, we'll look at the game's graphics quality...

www.techpowerup.com

7900XTX is on 4070 SUPER level even with "RT OFF" because it is not really off. UE5 uses Lumen for reflections etc. Tons of games uses UE5 engine now and AMDs performance is subpar in it.

Avatar also uses forced RT elements, using the Snowdrop engine:

Avatar: Frontiers of Pandora Performance Benchmark Review - 30+ GPUs Tested

Avatar: Frontiers of Pandora features stunning visuals that recreate the movie franchise's unique universe. There's also support for AMD FSR 3 Frame Generation and NVIDIA DLSS. In our performance review, we're taking a closer look at image quality, VRAM usage, and performance on a wide selection...

www.techpowerup.com

It was even AMD sponsored, yet AMD GPUs were destroyed in it.

Another game that was AMD sponsored was Starfield, you know, the huge failure of 2023, and the most funny part of the game, is that AMD users had no sun for weeks if not months post release. Worked just fine on Nvidia. Meaning developers used Nvidia for testing.

I have never seen a bigger AMD fanboy than you. According to you, they could dominate in all markets, yet they decide not to - MAKES SENSE.

Beta version works flawlessly, then it should not be beta, eh?

Testing VAC is pretty much impossible unless Valve allows to do so.

MI300 is old news, AMD already announced MI325X. Blackwell is sold out because Nvidia produces so few of them. Simple. Nvidia only have huge market share because of fanboys who buy AI systems. Same that happened with server CPUs but AMD finally caught Intel that is in real trouble.

You say there are finally RT games incoming on large scale? Then you also admit previous Nvidia RT GPUs were basically useless, until now. And now when RT is finally coming mainstream, AMD will also put more RT power out. AMD again did what Nvidia should have done.

Starfield is Bethesda game. Bethesda always launch games broken and hope modders fix them.

3000 and 4000 series Nvidias are woefully underpowered for RT, not to even mention 2000 series. AMD puts more power on RT when it finally is mainstream. Nvidia fanboys paid years for literally nothing. As usual.