AMD might have delayed RDNA 4 launch due to oversupply of RDNA 3 graphics cards

[Rapob]

AMD is pricedropping alot of 7000 cards right now. Prepairing to clear stock.

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-rad...or-the-first-time-includes-60-amd-game-bundle

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-radeon-rx-7900-xt-is-now-available-for-659

I wonder if AMD will keep selling 7900XTX after Radeon 8000 comes out, or entire 7000 series will go EOL when stock is gone.

Best RDNA4 GPU should only touch 7900XT performance, if at all, meaning XTX still performs 15% faster. However, AMD is probably not going to bother keeping one MCM chip alive when Radeon 8000 will go back to monolithic. From what I hear, and see, there is tons of 7900 stock as well.

I don't really see 7900XT exist when RDNA4 probably uses alot less power for nearly the same performance.

If AMD can deliver 7900XT performance for 500 dollars it will be really good.

 

[godrilla]

However those 2 games will run better on Nvidia. Never get lured by a bundle when you buy hardware. You will be stuck with that hardware when the often boring games are done with.

If you take a look at most new games released recently, you will see that 7900XTX is closer to 4070 Ti SUPER than 4080 and Nvidia has superior features, because all these new games has RTX features like DLSS, DLAA, RT, Path Tracing, Reflex etc.

Examples:

God of War Ragnarök Performance Benchmark Review - 35 GPUs Tested

The long-awaited God of War Ragnarök is now available on PC, bringing the latest chapter of the epic action-adventure series to a whole new audience. The PC version offers enhanced visuals, featuring support for cutting-edge technologies like DLSS, FSR, and Frame Generation. In our performance...

www.techpowerup.com

Black Myth Wukong In-Game Performance Benchmark Review - 35 GPUs Tested

Black Myth Wukong has over two million gamers playing the game. This souls-like action RPG is a huge hit, especially in China. Powered by Unreal Engine 5, the graphics look great, but hardware requirements are definitely not on the light side, we had to use upscaling. In our performance review...

www.techpowerup.com

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Star Wars Outlaws is a new title in the iconic Star Wars universe, which lets you play as member of the criminal underworld. The game uses the Snowdrop engine, and delivers great graphics. In our performance review, we'll look at the game's graphics quality, VRAM consumption, and how it runs...

www.techpowerup.com

Paying 899 dollars for 7900XTX this late in the generation seems like a straight up robbery.
750 dollars would be the correct price.

7900XT should cost no more than 600.

Both SKUs are going EOL real soon. AMD can't wait to kill them off due to low sales and zero margins.

Radeon 8000 will release in Q1 2025 and hopefully deliver 7900XT performance for 500-600 dollars, meaning 7900 series go EOL for sure.

Remember 5700XT? Made Radeon VII go EOL after like just a few months. Many people got tricked here. Sadly 5700XT had crashing issues, overheating VRMs and black screen issues for almost a year post release... That is AMD in a nutshell, rush out hardware and deal with software later.

Pop quiz if it quacks like a paid troll what is it?
Looks at Techpowerup's Space marine 2 review which runs better on AMDs hardware performance per dollar as per chart. The second game isn't even out yet to benchmark.
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[Rapob]

Pop quiz if it quacks like a paid troll what is it?
Looks at Techpowerup's Space marine 2 review which runs better on AMDs hardware performance per dollar as per chart. The second game isn't even out yet to benchmark.
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Unknown 9 Aweakening will keep being unknown post release too. Short walking simulator, worth nothing.

And no, Space Marine 2 runs better on Nvidia and DLSS/DLAA beats FSR too in the game.

Looking at last gen cards, funny to see 3070 beat 6700XT with ease as well.
3080 beats 6800XT and performs closer to 6900XT. 4070 beats 6800XT even harder, while using 200 watts.

Space Marine 2 is decent but wildly CPU bound and terrible for benching GPUs, yet Nvidia wins on pure raster performance and RTX features are superior to AMD features in the game, resulting in better visuals. 1440p with DLAA looks close to 4K/UHD native.

DLSS is massively better than FSR in actual motion. FSR have tons of artifacts and jitter. And this is why AMD will go the AI route as well with FSR 4 when it releases in months, years, who knows. This is true for FSR Native as well, ghosting, jitter and artifacts can be seen in motion, something DLSS fixed years ago really.

Again, why do you think AMD is cheaper and have to lure people in with free games on top? AMD GPU sales are lower than ever right now. AMD sits at like 10% marketshare and dropping. Radeon 8000 is AMDs most important GPU generation in many generations and they almost have to sell them with a minor loss to gain marketshare and win back customers.

All while improving FSR to match DLSS, features in general, and improve Ray Tracing performance immensely, because more and more games has forced RT elements today, and RT will become more and more relevant going forward.

If AMD keeps focussing on raster performance at native res, the days are numbered and Intel will blow past them in a few generations. Intel XeSS has been better than FSR for years and Luner Lake with Xe2 looks very impressive so far. Beating AMD with ease on performance per watt in mobile, and total performance as well.

 

[godrilla]

Unknown 9 Aweakening will keep being unknown post release too. Short walking simulator, worth nothing.

And no, Space Marine 2 runs better on Nvidia and DLSS/DLAA beats FSR too in the game.

Looking at last gen cards, funny to see 3070 beat 6700XT with ease as well.
3080 beats 6800XT and performs closer to 6900XT. 4070 beats 6800XT even harder, while using 200 watts.

Space Marine 2 is decent but wildly CPU bound and terrible for benching GPUs, yet Nvidia wins on pure raster performance and RTX features are superior to AMD features in the game, resulting in better visuals. 1440p with DLAA looks close to 4K/UHD native.

DLSS is massively better than FSR in actual motion. FSR have tons of artifacts and jitter. And this is why AMD will go the AI route as well with FSR 4 when it releases in months, years, who knows. This is true for FSR Native as well, ghosting, jitter and artifacts can be seen in motion, something DLSS fixed years ago really.

Again, why do you think AMD is cheaper and have to lure people in with free games on top? AMD GPU sales are lower than ever right now. AMD sits at like 10% marketshare and dropping. Radeon 8000 is AMDs most important GPU generation in many generations and they almost have to sell them with a minor loss to gain marketshare and win back customers.

All while improving FSR to match DLSS, features in general, and improve Ray Tracing performance immensely, because more and more games has forced RT elements today, and RT will become more and more relevant going forward.

If AMD keeps focussing on raster performance at native res, the days are numbered and Intel will blow past them in a few generations. Intel XeSS has been better than FSR for years and Luner Lake with Xe2 looks very impressive so far. Beating AMD with ease on performance per watt in mobile, and total performance as well.

You mentioned purchasing rdna 3 cards this late in the game is not worth it although I just placed a placeholder of reference in pricing for an FYI for everyone to see.
Both 4000 series and rdna 3 cards are not worth purchasing this late in the game unless you can share with everyone why you believe 4000 series is worth the premium right before Blackwell/rdna4?

Also your comments are extremely biased.
Leave the subjective out of it and focus on the objective. I provide charts you provide your biased opinion. Please don't take it personal.

 

[Rapob]

You mentioned purchasing rdna 3 cards this late in the game is not worth it although I just placed a placeholder of reference in pricing for an FYI for everyone to see.
Both 4000 series and rdna 3 cards are not worth purchasing this late in the game unless you can share with everyone why you believe 4000 series is worth the premium right before Blackwell/rdna4?

Also your comments are extremely biased.
Leave the subjective out of it and focus on the objective. I provide charts you provide your biased opinion. Please don't take it personal.

No current gen GPUs are worth buying before a new gen hits. Unless there's a massive sale and you are willing to settle. To me 7900XTX is not even worth 600 dollars at this point. 7000 is two year old tech made on a worse and cheaper node than RTX 4000 series.

You provided images showing Nvidia is superior, thanks for proving my point, why would I take it personal?

My comments are not really biased. They are based on personal experience as well. I build many high-end rigs every year. I have experience with all the hardware you just read about. I know for a fact that Nvidia is superior, hence why they have around 90% marketshare.

Again, why do you think AMD is priced lower than Nvidia, and still don't sell? AMD is years behind on tech. You can look at raster only performance all you want, 9 out of 10 buyers look at the overall experience, meaning features like upscaling, frame gen, performance in both raster and ray tracing etc and AMD is simply not competitive. They are many years behind sadly.

This is why AMD is doing worse than ever in the GPU segment.

Did you really expect a CPU company to beat Nvidia, a company that has one focus, GPUs. Nvidia spends way more money on R&D and naturally they will pull more and more ahead. Which they did and will continue to do.

RTX 5000 is going to be vastly faster than Radeon 8000, which will offer no higher end options at all.

 

[Lew Zealand]

Looking at last gen cards, funny to see 3070 beat 6700XT with ease as well.
3080 beats 6800XT and performs closer to 6900XT. 4070 beats 6800XT even harder, while using 200 watts.

And the 6800 XT beats the 3070. And the 4090 beats the 6500 XT.

Because all those comparisons are cherrypicked. Instead, people are generally interested in FPS/$ and the Nvidia cards lose in all your comparisons as the 6700 XT sold for 2/3 the price of the 3070 as did the 6800 XT vs the 3080.

 

[Rapob]

And the 6800 XT beats the 3070. And the 4090 beats the 6500 XT.

Because all those comparisons are cherrypicked. Instead, people are generally interested in FPS/$ and the Nvidia cards lose in all your comparisons as the 6700 XT sold for 2/3 the price of the 3070 as did the 6800 XT vs the 3080.

6700XT launched for 479 dollars, many months after 3070 which launched for 499 dollars, what price eventually ended up don't really matter due to crypto craze.

6800XT had a 649 dollar MSRP I would certainly hope it beats 3070 that sold for 150 dollar less, they are very close tho and DLSS beats FSR.

Why do you think AMD lowered the prices? Because they were not selling any cards.

Nvidia cards stays near MSRP, meaning resale value don't drop massively. This is the reason why used AMD cards are worth nothing in the end + Low demand.

 

[godrilla]

6700XT launched for 479 dollars, many months after 3070 which launched for 499 dollars, what price eventually ended up don't really matter due to crypto craze.

6800XT had a 649 dollar MSRP I would certainly hope it beats 3070 that sold for 150 dollar less, they are very close tho and DLSS beats FSR.

Why do you think AMD lowered the prices? Because they were not selling any cards.

Nvidia cards stays near MSRP, meaning resale value don't drop massively. This is the reason why used AMD cards are worth nothing in the end + Low demand.

Speaking of resell value a blind spot for rdna 4 is probably going to be competing with second hand market. For almost every 1 AMD card sold there are 9 Nvidia. Will gamers purchase a used 4080/super, 4070ti/super or a new rdna4 card? Depending on where rdna 4 lands in rasterization performance/rt and pricing it will likely cause equivalent performance cards toulouse value significantly. I predict anything lower than the 4090 will lose value. Blackmage might put pressure on the lower end cards as well. While the high end competition looks bleak the medium to low end should me a major win in 2025 for gamers.

 

[Rapob]

Speaking of resell value a blind spot for rdna 4 is probably going to be competing with second hand market. For almost every 1 AMD card sold there are 9 Nvidia. Will gamers purchase a used 4080/super, 4070ti/super or a new rdna4 card? Depending on where rdna 4 lands in rasterization performance/rt and pricing it will likely cause equivalent performance cards toulouse value significantly. I predict anything lower than the 4090 will lose value. Blackmage might put pressure on the lower end cards as well. While the high end competition looks bleak the medium to low end should me a major win in 2025 for gamers.

Battlemage won't even reach 4070 vanilla level, it might be much better value tho and XeSS beats FSR.

Many people are not willing to accept an AMD or Intel GPU, Nvidia always sold easy in the second hand market, did it so many times and rarely lost much. Often people overbid in the end, demand is just very high.

I can't see RDNA4 even come close to 4070 Ti / 4080 level either.

I think RDNA4 will hit 7900GRE/4070S levels.

AMD is going back to smaller monolithic chips. Top RDNA4 chip won't break 3840 cores. 7900GRE has 5120 for comparison.

Even if AMD is able to push clockspeeds by 10-15% and use GDDR7, I can't see top RDNA4 card come close to 7900XT performance. If they can, wonderful.

Personally I don't think AMD will use GDDR7 for RDNA4. GDDR7 should be 50% more expensive than GDDR6 and would probably ruin their margins.

Nvidia will probably only use GDDR7 on 5090, 5080 and maybe 5070 Ti / 5070.

 

[godrilla]

Battlemage won't even reach 4070 vanilla level, it might be much better value tho and XeSS beats FSR.

Many people are not willing to accept an AMD or Intel GPU, Nvidia always sold easy in the second hand market, did it so many times and rarely lost much. Often people overbid in the end, demand is just very high.

I can't see RDNA4 even come close to 4070 Ti / 4080 level either.

I think RDNA4 will hit 7900GRE/4070S levels.

AMD is going back to smaller monolithic chips. Top RDNA4 chip won't break 3840 cores. 7900GRE has 5120 for comparison.

Even if AMD is able to push clockspeeds by 10-15% and use GDDR7, I can't see top RDNA4 card come close to 7900XT performance. If they can, wonderful.

Personally I don't think AMD will use GDDR7 for RDNA4. GDDR7 should be 50% more expensive than GDDR6 and would probably ruin their margins.

Nvidia will probably only use GDDR7 on 5090, 5080 and maybe 5070 Ti / 5070.

It's true but the MCM rdna 3 gpus do have a 15% penalty vs monolithic design. The closest in spec is the 7800xt as per Techpowerup's placeholder. The only improvements I see are coming from 1) you mentioned clock speeds 2) rdna4/ipc improvements 3) feature sets fsr4 4) efficiency from slightly improved node.
The 4080 does seem like a stretch but the 4070ti/super does seem plausible on paper.

 

[Lew Zealand]

6700XT launched for 479 dollars, many months after 3070 which launched for 499 dollars, what price eventually ended up don't really matter due to crypto craze.

LOL what? What price they eventually ended up at is all that matters because that's what people actually paid for them. MSRP is irrelevant when you can't buy for that price.

For the entire time these were current-gen products the 3070 sold for much more than the 6700 XT, usually over 50% higher price and you can find all those prices at this site because they tracked them almost every month. The 3070 very was poor value.

6800XT had a 649 dollar MSRP I would certainly hope it beats 3070 that sold for 150 dollar less, they are very close tho and DLSS beats FSR.

Ah, so 28% faster is "very close". Just like the 7900 XTX is "very close" to the 4090, practically the same performance really. But again MSRP is irrelelvant when you can't buy at that price. Market price is what matters and fun fact: the 6800 XT sold for a similar to max 20% higher than the 3070 for almost their entire current-gen time on the market.

Why do you think AMD lowered the prices? Because they were not selling any cards.

Nvidia cards stays near MSRP, meaning resale value don't drop massively. This is the reason why used AMD cards are worth nothing in the end + Low demand.

Please show me where the 3070 stayed near it's MSRP. You can't. An example:

Sure, market prices were being affected by external factors but it's your claim. And AMD cards still sold at a smaller price gouge markup than Nvidia, making them better "value" (a very relative term in those times).

 

[godrilla]

7900xtx fell again to $869.99

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[Rapob]

LOL what? What price they eventually ended up at is all that matters because that's what people actually paid for them. MSRP is irrelevant when you can't buy for that price.

For the entire time these were current-gen products the 3070 sold for much more than the 6700 XT, usually over 50% higher price and you can find all those prices at this site because they tracked them almost every month. The 3070 very was poor value.



Ah, so 28% faster is "very close". Just like the 7900 XTX is "very close" to the 4090, practically the same performance really. But again MSRP is irrelelvant when you can't buy at that price. Market price is what matters and fun fact: the 6800 XT sold for a similar to max 20% higher than the 3070 for almost their entire current-gen time on the market.



Please show me where the 3070 stayed near it's MSRP. You can't. An example:

Sure, market prices were being affected by external factors but it's your claim. And AMD cards still sold at a smaller price gouge markup than Nvidia, making them better "value" (a very relative term in those times).

3070 outsold 6700XT big time and price was similar when both cards were new. First when AMD had to clear their huge inventory, due to low sales, and before 7000 series was about to hit - they lowered price.

The same thing happens for 7000 series right now. Clearance sale before 8000 series hit, due to massive stock and low sales numbers.

Reality calls. Go read: https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/steam-hardware-survey-amd-rx-7000/

AMD GPUs are doing worse than ever.

7900XTX is not close to 4090. LMAO. 7900XTX don't even beat 4080 in most new games and AMD has subpar features; FSR is mediocre, AFMF is garbage, FSR FG loses to DLSS FG by far, terrible Ray Tracing performance, can't do Path Tracing and I could keep going.

In tons of new AAA games, 7900XTX is closer to 4070 Ti series than 4080. Want me to show? I can easily link you tons of examples.

Even AMD says 7900XTX is a 4080 competitor and 4090 is in a league of its own. Go find that official statement. And they are talking about pure raster performance here, like its 2015, because in RT and when it comes to features, 4080 wrecks a 7900XTX.

AMD keeps lowering 7900XTX because it is not selling at all. Not even at 800 dollars people will buy it and 5080 hits in just a few months with 4090 performance or close.

AMD left high-end GPU market you know. 99% of AMD GPU buyers are not paying above 500 dollars for a GPU. And 75% of them will not pay over 300 dollars.

 

[Rapob]

It's true but the MCM rdna 3 gpus do have a 15% penalty vs monolithic design. The closest in spec is the 7800xt as per Techpowerup's placeholder. The only improvements I see are coming from 1) you mentioned clock speeds 2) rdna4/ipc improvements 3) feature sets fsr4 4) efficiency from slightly improved node.
The 4080 does seem like a stretch but the 4070ti/super does seem plausible on paper.

If AMD actually delivers 4070 Ti performance with RDNA4, it will be a smash hit at 400-500 dollars. Rendering all their 7900XT and 7900XTX unsellable at more than 500/600 dollars as well. Stock is still huge.

I doubt it will happen. I only see them reaching 4070 SUPER at most and thats still 8-10% from 4070 Ti and about 12-15% from 4070 Ti SUPER.

I still think the best RDNA4 SKU will hit 7900GRE/4070S level at most, hopefully at 200-225 watts, or 250 tops. This is close to 7900XT performance too, making it go EOL.

This is why AMD is dumping 7000 series right now.

7900XTX will still be faster, but also going EOL because AMD is not making any money on it. RDNA 4 will be much cheaper to produce.

Only thing that matters for RDNA4 is performance per dollar. Not chasing high-end, because AMD left it.

For AMD to regrab marketshare, they need 7900GRE/4070S perf at 500 dollars or better yet, at 400 dollars. And they might still need game bundle to lure people in.

Top RDNA4 is probably going to be 5060 / 5060 Ti level of performance only. Meaning price has to be low.

However AMD will likely price them slightly higher in the beginning, so they can lower it later when 5060 / 5060 Ti / 5070 hits.

 

[Watzupken]

While I acknowledge that AMD does not have the resources to throw at their CPU, AI and GPU business all at 1 go, I do think they are starting to buckle under pressure. To me, AMD over-promised and under-delivered Zen 5 and RDNA 3 or 3.5, given that both the products don't materially improve upon their predecessors. Zen 5 may edge out 4 in some cases, but that's under certain condition/ workflow. Between RDNA 2 to 3, I hardly see any performance improvement unless there is a big improvement in the specs, I.e. RX 7900 XTX vs 6950 XT. RDNA 3 to 3.5 was said to bring performance improvement, but I think that's because they pumped more power into it to allow a marginally higher clockspeed and couple it with faster memory. Holding RDNA4 is not going to help them win market share, unless they are willing to sell their existing RDNA3 inventory off at a loss. I do hope RDNA4 (or XDNA) will deliver this time.

 

[Rapob]

While I acknowledge that AMD does not have the resources to throw at their CPU, AI and GPU business all at 1 go, I do think they are starting to buckle under pressure. To me, AMD over-promised and under-delivered Zen 5 and RDNA 3 or 3.5, given that both the products don't materially improve upon their predecessors. Zen 5 may edge out 4 in some cases, but that's under certain condition/ workflow. Between RDNA 2 to 3, I hardly see any performance improvement unless there is a big improvement in the specs, I.e. RX 7900 XTX vs 6950 XT. RDNA 3 to 3.5 was said to bring performance improvement, but I think that's because they pumped more power into it to allow a marginally higher clockspeed and couple it with faster memory. Holding RDNA4 is not going to help them win market share, unless they are willing to sell their existing RDNA3 inventory off at a loss. I do hope RDNA4 will deliver this time.

Zen 5 already improved alot post bugfixes and with optimizations / new AGESAs.

When 9700X is not actually gimped by the 65W limit, it outpaces 7700X with ease. At 65W 9700X is hold back on clockspeeds, even in ST benchmarks. 7700X had a 105W TDP. AMD simply made a huge mistake gimping 9700X in the first place.

Upcoming 9800X3D looks to deliver a big leap from 7800X3D. 20% ST and 30% MT improvement is recent leaks, is pretty crazy. It is going to be the ultimate gaming chip for a looong time.

AMD CPUs are doing well.

AMD GPUs are not. AMD should not waste too much money here, most (close to all) AMD cards selling well have been low to mid-end offerings. That is why AMD left high-end. RDNA 4 will have focus on performance per dollar and nothing else.

7900XTX is much faster than 6900 series in pretty much all new games.

 

[godrilla]

If AMD actually delivers 4070 Ti performance with RDNA4, it will be a smash hit at 400-500 dollars. Rendering all their 7900XT and 7900XTX unsellable at more than 500/600 dollars as well. Stock is still huge.

I doubt it will happen. I only see them reaching 4070 SUPER at most and thats still 8-10% from 4070 Ti and about 12-15% from 4070 Ti SUPER.

I still think the best RDNA4 SKU will hit 7900GRE/4070S level at most, hopefully at 200-225 watts, or 250 tops. This is close to 7900XT performance too, making it go EOL.

This is why AMD is dumping 7000 series right now.

7900XTX will still be faster, but also going EOL because AMD is not making any money on it. RDNA 4 will be much cheaper to produce.

Only thing that matters for RDNA4 is performance per dollar. Not chasing high-end, because AMD left it.

For AMD to regrab marketshare, they need 7900GRE/4070S perf at 500 dollars or better yet, at 400 dollars. And they might still need game bundle to lure people in.

Top RDNA4 is probably going to be 5060 / 5060 Ti level of performance only. Meaning price has to be low.

However AMD will likely price them slightly higher in the beginning, so they can lower it later when 5060 / 5060 Ti / 5070 hits.

Rasterization wise I agree but only because 8800Xt probably has more silicon dedicated to rt. If rdna4 will not beat rtx 4000 series (upper mid range to lower high end) in rt with dedicated hardware that takes away from potential Rasterization performance it will be pretty sad.

 

[Rapob]

Rasterization wise I agree but only because 8800Xt probably has more silicon dedicated to rt. If rdna4 will not beat rtx 4000 series (upper mid range to lower high end) in rt with dedicated hardware that takes away from potential Rasterization performance it will be pretty sad.

If AMD will beat 4070 SUPER in RT with top RDNA 4 SKU it will be a major accomplishment from AMD.

I did not hear AMD say it will have dedicated RT hardware, just that RT is improved.

RDNA4 was called a RDNA3 bugfix many times as well. I think most of RDNA4 is just optimization and tweaks. Don't really expect much tbh. Going to TSMC 4N should give some better efficiency tho.

Hopefully AMD will talk about FSR 4 at the Radeon 8000 launch event. Better yet, launch it with Radeon 8000 series.

 

[Lew Zealand]

3070 outsold 6700XT big time and price was similar when both cards were new.

They did not sell for the same price and I already explained why. This website has all the evidence if you're curious.

7900XTX is not close to 4090. LMAO. 7900XTX don't even beat 4080 in most new games

You yourself said they were similar by claiming the 3070 and 6800 XT were similar. The 7900XTX and 4090 are closer in performance than the 3070 and 6800 XT are.

I'm sure the rest of your post contains similar levels of opinion and accuracy.

 

[toooooot]

But they would not lower the prices...
I think because they sell well enough.

 

[GoldenGoat]

Delaying seems like a bad idea. Something Nvidia would do, but they are almost an monopoly so they can get away with it. AMD needs whatever advantage they can get.

 

[Rapob]

They did not sell for the same price and I already explained why. This website has all the evidence if you're curious.



You yourself said they were similar by claiming the 3070 and 6800 XT were similar. The 7900XTX and 4090 are closer in performance than the 3070 and 6800 XT are.

I'm sure the rest of your post contains similar levels of opinion and accuracy.

Yes they did, I bought at least 10 cards in 3000 and 6000 series. 6700XT was pricedropped much later in the generation, when sales slowed down. AMD had tons of unsellable stock, just like they do now with 7000 series (sales before 8000 series hit next year) - 3070 kept its price, because demand was high.

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6800XT at 3070 level...

Hahah. 4090 is much faster than 7900XTX, you must be kidding. 4090 beats 7900XTX easily in both raster-performance and sales, and destoys it in Ray Tracing and especially Path Tracing that will be a single digit slideshow on a 7900XTX.

Again, even AMD says 7900XTX is a 4080 competitor. 4090 is in a league of its own.
And next gen, AMD won't even compete with 5080. Maybe not even 5070.

AMD left high-end GPU market for a reason. They can't compete.

 

[Lew Zealand]

Yes they did, I bought at least 10 cards in 3000 and 6000 series. 6700XT was pricedropped much later in the generation, when sales slowed down. AMD had tons of unsellable stock, just like they do now with 7000 series (sales before 8000 series hit next year) - 3070 kept its price, because demand was high.

From the first months of sales of the 6700 XT (in the middle of the mining craze) through the end of their sales as current-gen cards, the 3070 sold for a 50% higher price than the 6700 XT. The data is all here at TS, compiled by Tim Schleisser for everyone's convenience.

Oh really - Lets look at a brand new game in late 2024:

God of War Ragnarök Performance Benchmark Review - 35 GPUs Tested

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6800XT at 3070 level...

All of one game, so more cherrypicked anecdotes from you. There's a reason TS and other places test a wide variety of games, so you see the full capabilities of a card.

Hahah. 4090 is much faster than 7900XTX, you must be kidding. 4090 beats 7900XTX easily in both raster-performance and sales, and destoys it in Ray Tracing and especially Path Tracing that will be a single digit slideshow on a 7900XTX.

Your claim was 28% performance difference is "very close", those are your words. Your logic means the 4090 and 7900XTX are "very close" as they're barely 22% apart.

 

[Rapob]

From the first months of sales of the 6700 XT (in the middle of the mining craze) through the end of their sales as current-gen cards, the 3070 sold for a 50% higher price than the 6700 XT. The data is all here at TS, compiled by Tim Schleisser for everyone's convenience.



All of one game, so more cherrypicked anecdotes from you. There's a reason TS and other places test a wide variety of games, so you see the full capabilities of a card.



Your claim was 28% performance difference is "very close", those are your words. Your logic means the 4090 and 7900XTX are "very close" as they're barely 22% apart.

7900XTX is stomped by 4090 when you not just look at raster perf like its 2015 and ignore old gales.

One of the most popular games right now, and one of the best games this year:

Black Myth Wukong In-Game Performance Benchmark Review - 35 GPUs Tested

Black Myth Wukong has over two million gamers playing the game. This souls-like action RPG is a huge hit, especially in China. Powered by Unreal Engine 5, the graphics look great, but hardware requirements are definitely not on the light side, we had to use upscaling. In our performance review...

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4090 is 40% faster in 1440p and 4K/UHD.

When you enable RT, 7900XTX is literally being stomped to bits and 4090 is 300-400-500% faster depending on settings.

Also, DLSS and DLAA is the best way to play the game. FSR looks mediocre in comparison. DLAA beats native. Even DLSS beats native in many aspecs, while upping performance.

Even 4080 smashes it in both raster and especially RT.

7900XTX is closer to 4070 Ti series in pretty much all new games. AMD GPUs are tanked hard by new RT elements that is forced in many games now.

Keep dreaming tho. Ignoring reality won't make AMD GPUs compete in high-end. AMD left high-end for a reason. Can't compete at all. Especially when you don't just look at silly raster perf and ignore features like DLSS, DLAA, DLDSR, Reflex, Shadowplay which all beats AMDs counterpart with absolute ease.

And this is why AMD GPU marketshare keeps going down. 9 out of 10 people buying a GPU is not looking at raster only. Also, they look at performance in brand new games coming out and Nvidia wins in 9 out of 10.

Funny how AMD officially raises the white flag, leaves high-end yet fanboys keeps insisting that 7900XTX is a 4090 competitor for half the price. LMAO. Delusional.

 

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And this is why AMD GPU marketshare keeps going down. 9 out of 10 people buying a GPU is not looking at raster only. Also, they look at performance in brand new games coming out and Nvidia wins in 9 out of 10.

AMD market share started to go down long before Ray tracing was even invented. Your "arguments" are total BS as usual. Learn some history first.