I disagree. The card is not bad IF you are running PCI-E 4.0. But don't forget, this is meant to be a budget card. You should ask around and see how many people are running budget systems with shiny PCI-E 4.0 support. AMD themselves are churning out "budget" CPUs in the form of Ryzen 4xxxG and 5xxxG with only PCI-E 3.0 support, which limits the bus speed even if your motherboard supports PCI-E 4.0. There are rumours also that AMD will be re-releasing Renoir to compete against Intel in the lower end segment, which potentially means PCI-E 3.0 support only.Thank you for the very thorough review Steve - it must have been a ton of work (and one you most certainly didn't enjoy).
I know I will be monikered public enemy nr1 after this, but I think this GPU is not that bad IN THE CURRENT MARKET. There is nothing at 200$ point, or even it the vicinity. Nothing. Is it fair? Hell no. But that's where we are. And one can game with this card (though preferably on PCIE 4.0).
My biggest grief is the x4 PCI-E limitation, I can't imagine it brings so much savings that it makes it worthwile. The 64-bit memory bus is a bummer too, but think the bandwidth is enough (just, by the skin of it teeth...) for the GPU anyway.
But, if someone needs something to game on, and has a PCI-E 4.0 motherboard, this card can be a lifesaver (there, I said it. Let the stones fly at me...). I'm sorry but the cost per frame analysis is completely off this world (talking about the ebay one here: the MSRP is a theoretical value, like my ideal waist size: once it was true, for a very short while, and will never return). But seriously: 1650 for 170$? Where? It is more than twice of that here, IN POUNDS. 330$ for a 3060? Really? Sign me right up, I will take that immediately (it is more like 6-700 quids).
The only thing remotely reflecting reality is the price of a used RX570. Still off, but not by multipliers, just percentage. Sorry Steve, but in the current market, if that card is selling for 200$, that would provide excellent price/performance ratio. I don't say this is how it should be (and I cherish my little 1070 Jetstream), but the market is what it is. For a 4.0 motherboard owner, this is a viable opttion.
I won't bother to read up on the review for the RX 6400 series nor even consider it for sure. The features that AMD cut out from this card can be found even in iGPU, which shows how miserable this card is. For example, the Vega 8 on the APU I am using supports 3x display out because I am using 3 displays. The Intel XE iGPU supports AV1 decode and I believe also supports 3x display out. It is gaming capable, I give it that, but the target market for this card don't always have a PCI-E 4.0 slot to not bottleneck it. AMD could have spruced up the specs, but I feel the main killer for this card is the crippled memory bus speed more than anything.Triple facepalm for Lisa Su. God how pathetic will the 6400 be? Honestly the fact a $200US 2022 era GPU could ship with 64 bit bus and 4GB defies all belief. It needed to have been a 96 bit, 6GB card with 2x the IC for that money.
I give it that, but the target market for this card don't always have a PCI-E 4.0 slot to not bottleneck it. AMD could have spruced up the specs, but I feel the main killer for this card is the crippled memory bus speed more than anything.
That's the thing, for 200 £/$/E - if you have PCIe 4 - it looks decent compared to what is actually available. The trick is not to exceed the framebuffer.Just bagged one for £180, in comparison GTX 1650 sell for £250-280 currently in the UK. I thought worst case I'll sell this in a few weeks for £250.
Those guys at ATi who designed this are either dumb as rocks (doubtful) or were mandated by AMD to make no compromises when it came to cheapness. It would have been far better to make the card PCI-Express 3.0 x8 than what they've done and it probably wouldn't have cost much more (if it did in fact cost more).
This is an entry-level card which means that there's a much higher chance that someone who buys it doesn't have the latest and greatest hardware. In fact, I'm willing to bet that there are a good number of people still using FX processors and the video card slots on even the flagship northbridge for the FX series, the 990fX are only PCI-Express 2.0 x16. With this card, they'll be PCI-Express 2.0 x4. I wonder just how BAD that will be for them and I shudder.
This is something that I would expect from nVidia, not AMD.