AMD Ryzen 5000 mobile specifications leaked by retailers, up to 4.6 GHz

mongeese

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Something to look forward to: A few retailers have listed Asus and Lenovo laptops with next-gen AMD Ryzen mobile processors inside them. The newly revealed specifications have filled in most of the blanks in the series' spec sheet, yielding an almost-complete and reasonably reliable picture of upcoming Ryzen parts.

It's been a busy weekend for mishaps.

The Ryzen 5000H/5000U series are the next generation of AMD mobile processors with integrated Vega graphics. They're replacing the beloved Renoir (Ryzen 4000). Previous leaks have revealed that the new series is comprised of two architectures: the top-notch processors will use Cezanne, a Zen 3 design, and the rest will use Lucienne, another Zen 2 design.

Cezanne will get the most use inside the new H-Series parts, which are designed for heavy-duty laptops. Retailers leaked the specifications for the R9 5900HS and R5 5600H, showing a 100-200 MHz clock increase. A Geekbench entry leaked the specs for the 5900HX, which is 200 MHz faster than the fastest Renoir part.

Although these are only small clock speed increases, when combined with the ~20% IPC improvement of Zen 3, the effect will be an impressive performance improvement over Renoir.

AMD Ryzen 5000H/5000U

CPU Architecture Cores / Threads Base / Boost Clock (GHz) TDP (Watts)
H-Series      
Ryzen 9 5900HX Zen 3 (Cezanne) 8 / 16 3.3 / 4.6 45 W
Ryzen 9 5900HS Zen 3 (Cezanne) 8 / 16 3.1 / 4.5 35 W
Ryzen 7 5800H Zen 3 (Cezanne) - - 45 W
Ryzen 5 5600H Zen 3 (Cezanne) 6 / 12 3.0 / 4.1 15 W
U-Series      
Ryzen 9 5800U Zen 3 (Cezanne) 8 / 16 1.8 (2.0) / 4.4 (4.4) 15 W (25 W)
Ryzen 7 5700U Zen 2 (Lucienne) 8 / 16 1.8 / - -
Ryzen 5 5600U Zen 3 (Cezanne) 6 / 12 2.1 (2.3) / 4.2 (4.3) 15 W (25 W)
Ryzen 5 5500U Zen 2 (Lucienne) 6 / 12 2.1 / 4.0 15 W
Ryzen 3 5300U Zen 2 (Lucienne) - - -

Cezanne and Lucienne are intermixed inside the U-Series, which is designed for thin and light laptops. Previously, a couple of Geekbench entries and a leaked spec sheet described the core counts and clock speeds of most of the new U-Series parts, which the retailers' leaks have confirmed. (The specifications that weren't confirmed aren't included in the table above, but are available here.)

However, two different retailers provided slightly different specifications for the R9 5800U and the R5 5600U. These differences are believed to correspond to 15 W and 25 W configurations of the processors. In the table, the 25 W specifications are in brackets.

Amongst the Cezanne parts, the boost clocks have been upped by 100-300 MHz relative to Renoir, and the base clocks have remained about the same. The Lucienne parts haven't been leaked to the same extent, but the clock speeds revealed thus far have been equal to or less than that of the corresponding Renoir chips.

Although it is a bit premature to draw conclusions, it appears as if Cezanne will provide a robust upgrade over Renoir, while Lucienne will provide a similar performance level.

Retailers listed half a dozen Asus gaming laptops and a handful of business Lenovo laptops. Cezanne and Lucienne are expected to appear in a greater variety of devices, from a greater variety of manufacturers than Renoir.

Last week, AMD announced that CEO Lisa Su will take the virtual stage at CES 2021 on January 12. She will most likely announce Ryzen 5000 mobile then.

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Morphine Child

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When you think how much power / price ratio has improved with last gen with both team red and team blue... damn we needed this. Here in Germany at the beginning of 2020 for 500€ or less you would get some crappy celeron or basic i5... and now for the same price you get 3 times the horsepower under the hood, all in mere months!

Future does look good, folks.
 

fps4ever

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However, two different retailers provided slightly different specifications for the R9 5800U and the R5 5600U. These differences are believed to correspond to 15 W and 25 W configurations of the processors. In the table, the 25 W specifications are in brackets.

Guess which one consumers will get. :D
 

anonymuos

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I would REALLY and HAPPILY switch from Intel and dump them for good for AMD if AMD-based laptops had abundant choice in configurations, USB4/Thunderbolt 4 and GPU as good as Big Navi, or RTX 30 Series. On Desktop, I went with AMD Ryzen 5000 Series on a motherboard that has Thunderbolt 3 and never looked back.

But in laptops, we usually get very few AMD models to pick from. Choice is very less. If we like a specific laptop feature e.g. touchpad buttons, or 16:10 screen, it is often missing in the AMD model. Then there's no sign of USB4 or Thunderbolt 3/4 yet. Also, Vega GPU? It won't have AV1 hardware decoding that Big Navi, NVIDIA's RTX 30 series or even Intel's Iris Xe has. These things matter and these are the various reasons some people still go with Intel despite their lackluster performance.
 

Irata

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When you think how much power / price ratio has improved with last gen with both team red and team blue... damn we needed this. Here in Germany at the beginning of 2020 for 500€ or less you would get some crappy celeron or basic i5... and now for the same price you get 3 times the horsepower under the hood, all in mere months!

Future does look good, folks.
And if you consider that Lucienne will be the budget chip.....
 

HardReset

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I would REALLY and HAPPILY switch from Intel and dump them for good for AMD if AMD-based laptops had abundant choice in configurations, USB4/Thunderbolt 4 and GPU as good as Big Navi, or RTX 30 Series. On Desktop, I went with AMD Ryzen 5000 Series on a motherboard that has Thunderbolt 3 and never looked back.

But in laptops, we usually get very few AMD models to pick from. Choice is very less. If we like a specific laptop feature e.g. touchpad buttons, or 16:10 screen, it is often missing in the AMD model. Then there's no sign of USB4 or Thunderbolt 3/4 yet. Also, Vega GPU? It won't have AV1 hardware decoding that Big Navi, NVIDIA's RTX 30 series or even Intel's Iris Xe has. These things matter and these are the various reasons some people still go with Intel despite their lackluster performance.

You're making things way too complex. 99% of laptop users are casual people who won't care a bit about things like Thunderbolt 4 or VP1 decoding. For them performance on general tasks is all that matters even a bit. Usually even that won't matter.

People don't go for Intel. Most laptop users get what IT department buys for them. And since IT departments on companies are stupid and very heavily towards Intel, they buy Intel no matter how poor Intel's offerings are. In other words, people get Intel because they are not given opportunity to choose.

Just compare desktop retail and OEM laptop market shares and you see what I mean.
 

anonymuos

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You're making things way too complex. 99% of laptop users are casual people who won't care a bit about things like Thunderbolt 4 or VP1 decoding. For them performance on general tasks is all that matters even a bit. Usually even that won't matter.

People don't go for Intel. Most laptop users get what IT department buys for them. And since IT departments on companies are stupid and very heavily towards Intel, they buy Intel no matter how poor Intel's offerings are. In other words, people get Intel because they are not given opportunity to choose.

Just compare desktop retail and OEM laptop market shares and you see what I mean.

Thunderbolt and AV1 decoding were just examples of the things that matter to me. (did you not see "e.g."?) I didn't say everyone wants these or they won't buy AMD. You completely missed my point. In AMD systems, overall choice is less.

There are 10 Intel laptops for 1 AMD laptop sold. Performance is not all that matters. There are these specifics about hardware that consumers prefer. e.g. Some want a high quality 4K, high brightness display but it's only there in Intel models.

Some want 2 NVMe slots but some AMD variants of Intel-based laptops didn't have more than 1. Some AMD laptops have soldered RAM, but is upgradeable in same Intel-based model. Some end users want switchable graphics which are lacking in AMD models as the manufacturer build that in, but in same Intel variant, it's there.

So people don't specifically chose Intel. They are all looking for a particular feature or two which is only there on Intel platform although technically there is nothing unique about Intel-based ones, it's just that the laptop maker didn't give feature parity for AMD.

For example, see this notebook: https://www.notebookcheck.net/Dell-...-AMD-as-usual-gets-lesser-oomph.465527.0.html The AMD model is gimped in several respects. In companies, IT departments have remote management features/software that work only, for example, only with vPro and AMD Pro isn't there in the equivalent AMD model. Understood what I was saying?
 
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Vrmithrax

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Accidently? This close to Christmas? Pleeeaaassseeeeeee .....

Actually, yes I would bet it was an accident. Why would anyone want to leak out info this close to Christmas that would potentially make buyers decide to pause and wait for the new chips instead? This is the season that all retailers want to empty their shelves of any systems, particularly if a new generation is coming. It's hard to sell the old model when the new faster shinier one is right next to it on the shelves, ya know?
 

HardReset

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Thunderbolt and AV1 decoding were just examples of the things that matter to me. (did you not see "e.g."?) I didn't say everyone wants these or they won't buy AMD. You completely missed my point. In AMD systems, overall choice is less.

There are 10 Intel laptops for 1 AMD laptop sold. Performance is not all that matters. There are these specifics about hardware that consumers prefer. e.g. Some want a high quality 4K, high brightness display but it's only there in Intel models.

Some want 2 NVMe slots but some AMD variants of Intel-based laptops didn't have more than 1. Some AMD laptops have soldered RAM, but is upgradeable in same Intel-based model. Some end users want switchable graphics which are lacking in AMD models as the manufacturer build that in, but in same Intel variant, it's there.

My point was that most consumers don't care at all about any of those features. You might care but you are only very small portion of all laptop buyers. Intel laptops might have some niche features like you said (multiple NVMe, 4K display etc) but again, those are very niche features and I guarantee over 90% of laptop buyers don't care of them at all. So those features don't explain at all why Intel outsells AMD.

So people don't specifically chose Intel. They are all looking for a particular feature or two which is only there on Intel platform although technically there is nothing unique about Intel-based ones, it's just that the laptop maker didn't give feature parity for AMD.

Like I said, over 90% of laptop buyers don't have any clue about those features. So it really won't matter at all. Also most of those features are not Intel restricted features so AMD laptops can have them too.

This whole thing is about same as AMD laptops didn't have faster than RTX 2060 video card. It seems to change when Zen3 APU laptops come but there was no real reason why Zen2 APU's didn't have them.

For example, see this notebook: https://www.notebookcheck.net/Dell-...-AMD-as-usual-gets-lesser-oomph.465527.0.html The AMD model is gimped in several respects. In companies, IT departments have remote management features/software that work only, for example, only with vPro and AMD Pro isn't there in the equivalent AMD model. Understood what I was saying?

Dell has favoured Intel for over 30 years now. So that's very poor example.

Also many companies still use Internet Explorer 6 because it's only browser their software works with. I highly doubt it needs Intel vPro or something like that ;) So no, I don't understand what you are saying. Even if there are some features AMD does not offer, those features are very niche when looking bigger picture. And certainly those features don't explain why AMD laptops sell so poorly. Of course, AMD also knows this and that's why new laptop CPU's/APU's come even after server parts.
 

glenn0411

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5600 + 3060ti....works for me.....for $1200-$1500.
a 3060ti should be on par or better than a $2500 laptop with a 2080 super.
 

Makste

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My point was that most consumers don't care at all about any of those features. You might care but you are only very small portion of all laptop buyers. Intel laptops might have some niche features like you said (multiple NVMe, 4K display etc) but again, those are very niche features and I guarantee over 90% of laptop buyers don't care of them at all. So those features don't explain at all why Intel outsells AMD.



Like I said, over 90% of laptop buyers don't have any clue about those features. So it really won't matter at all. Also most of those features are not Intel restricted features so AMD laptops can have them too.

I think Intel outsells AMD because of mind share. All the average person including retailers here know, is that a laptop's performance can only be gauged by its I-core number. Eg. i5, i7 etc. That's what people base on when they come looking for laptops or computers. Majority of the people currently do not understand the hierarchies of ryzen performance by just looking at nomenclature, nor do they claim to have any idea about a different product, the way they believe they understand intel and its product differentiations. Intel has been very consistent with this nomenclature, even with the absence of AMD in the market. AMD has not yet polished its naming scheme and product presentation to truly capture and keep people's attention. They could use Z1, Z2, Z3 etc for example, and stick to it. Good news is that, if people do not know now, they'll surely know in the near future, look at how ryzen has obtained mind share in just a short time. These things will sort themselves out. Just get the best equipment and put it on shelf, your expertise in your recommendations is what increases a products mind share.
 

glenn0411

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I think Intel outsells AMD because of mind share. All the average person including retailers here know, is that a laptop's performance can only be gauged by its I-core number. Eg. i5, i7 etc. That's what people base on when they come looking for laptops or computers. Majority of the people currently do not understand the hierarchies of ryzen performance by just looking at nomenclature, nor do they claim to have any idea about a different product, the way they believe they understand intel and its product differentiations. Intel has been very consistent with this nomenclature, even with the absence of AMD in the market. AMD has not yet polished its naming scheme and product presentation to truly capture and keep people's attention. They could use Z1, Z2, Z3 etc for example, and stick to it. Good news is that, if people do not know now, they'll surely know in the near future, look at how ryzen has obtained mind share in just a short time. These things will sort themselves out. Just get the best equipment and put it on shelf, your expertise in your recommendations is what increases a products mind share.
couldnt agree more. been researching for laptop since sept 2020.....
ever since the ryzen 5000 and 6000 gpu's came out, along with the nvidia ampere rtx3000's.....its been long overdue, and a benefit for consumers to now have a competition, now that amd is back in the race. my older gaming laptop is a gigabyte with the old pascal gtx1070. it has worked well. but now, skipping the rtx2000 series, im ready to see what will be offered over the next several months.
I'm patient.....and if I dont pull the trigger for awhile.....so be it.
I was looking at the MSI Raider ge75, 16gb ram, fast 512m.2 storage, 1tb hdd, 144hz, rtx2070, 2 year warranty.......for $1199, BF deal.
decided to wait.....as I would like the 2 generation gap on GPU's, and the crazy fast ryzen 5000 cpu's.
nvidia and intel, even though they make very good cpu's/gpu's......are not king anymore, and competition is a good thing for us