AMD takes aim at Nvidia, highlights the importance of VRAM in modern games

[DSirius]

How come Techpowerup show they can, with perfectly fine 1% lows?

6800XT performs miserable in 4K compared to the best 4K options and 6800XT and 6900XT were NEVER 3070 comptitors to begin with

3070 launched at 499 dollars.
6800 was 579
6800XT was 649
6900XT was 999 USD

3070 still beats 6700XT 12GB in pretty much every game. 3070 is around 12-15% faster in most games.

And you compare these cards with 3070? 6700XT launched at 479 USD and is the true competitor for 3070. 6900XT launched at twice the price. And 6900XT don't even beat 3080 much in 4K, which launched at 699. 6900XT performs like 1 fps higher on average in 4K while costing 300 dollars more on launch.

NONE of those cards are running 4K on high settings in demanding games anyway. GPU is simply too slow. 3090 Ti and 6950XT don't even impress much in 4K these days either. Alot of VRAM will not save a dated GPU.

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3070 beats 6700XT by almost 20% in the 4K test. Again, Minimum fps, 1% lows. 4GB more VRAM and still loose alot.

Yes more VRAM is always better >> if the GPU is actually solid and up to the task <<

Fact is that 3080 with 10GB performs 1.4 fps lower on average on all the games tested compared to 6900XT 16GB, and this is 1% minimum fps, which would reveal any stutter or issues if VRAM was an issue.

The only TRUE 4K card is 4090, 4080 and 7900XTX can work as well, every other card will feel subpar including 4070 Ti and 7900XT which both beats 6800XT and 6900XT with ease in 4K gaming anyway. Zero last gen cards will play new and demanding games at 4K with good fps on high/ultra settings, unless you like console fps.

You simply don't buy mid-end cards for 4K. This is why you WILL GET 16GB or more if you actually buy a proper 4K card. If you can't afford 4080/7900XTX or better, then you can't afford proper 4K gaming and you are better off settling with 2560x1440 or 3440x1440.

My 3080 performs just as good in 1440p as it did back in 2020 when I bought it. Zero problems with VRAM. I am not using RT and I am not using ultra presets, I always tweak my settings, which incudes max textures (always), 16xAF and all the stuff you actually want, with Motion blur, DOF and other crap disabled. This is often turned ON in "ultra presets" which sucks. Those features also increase VRAM usage while making image quality worse. Pointless to test games on ultra settings.

MSRP and launch prices are way different than actual market prices.
Nvidia advertised their 3080, but I think 12Gb model, and 3090 for sure as a 4k gaming card, they had even a slide with 8K gaming.
The cards are still ok nowadays, just that for the price they are competing now they do not worth.
A 3070 price is close to a 6800. And I care more of 16GB RAM than RTX.
The same for 4070 and 4070ti with 12GB RAM, they are too low against 7900XT and 7900XTX with 20 and 24GB. 4090 RAM is OK, 4080 with 16GB is barely acceptable, but their prices are still inflated in many markets. Though I saw some reports that in some US stores Nvidia 4xxx prices are slowly going down to MSRP.
AMD already sell their cards 7xxx noticeable under MSRP and closer to the real prices which both Nvidia and AMD should had sell them. They wanted to test buyers reaction if they keep selling the new gen cards close to Covid era prices.
Competition is good.

 

[KofeViR]

MSRP and theoretical prices are way different than actual market prices.
Nvidia advertised thair 3080, but I think 12Gb model, and 3090 for sure as a 4k gaming card, they had even a slide with 8K gaming.
The cards are ok still nowadays, just that for the price they are competing do not worth.
A 3070 price is close to a 6800. And I care more of 16GB RAM than RTX

It's 3 year old cards by now, ofc prices are different, especially on AMD, because AMD always gets cheaper and cheaper over time (which is why resell value is much lower as well)

I would not buy 3070 or 6800 today. And you are talking about 4K gaming? These cards are useless for 4K gaming in most new games, unless you use DLSS or FSR and DLSS is better than FSR.

DLSS/FSR is actually the magic sauce the will make lesser powerful GPUs viable for 4K while reducing VRAM requirement alot as well.

DLSS wins easily overall.

With DLSS, even 3060 range can do 4K in many games.
There soon 300+ games and apps with DLSS support.

 

[DSirius]

It's 3 year old cards by now, ofc prices are different, especially on AMD, because AMD always gets cheaper and cheaper over time (which is why resell value is much lower as well)

I would not buy 3070 or 6800 today. And you are talking about 4K gaming? These cards are useless for 4K gaming in most new games, unless you use DLSS or FSR and DLSS is better than FSR.

DLSS/FSR is actually the magic sauce the will make lesser powerful GPUs viable for 4K while reducing VRAM requirement alot as well.

DLSS wins easily overall.

With DLSS, even 3060 range can do 4K in many games.
There soon 300+ games and apps with DLSS support.

Your previous "affirmations":
3080 even beats 6800XT by 5% in 1% lows in 3840x2160 while having 6GB less VRAM. And these cards are not even good for 4K to begin with and mostly suited for 1440p gaming.
And another one:
Yeah but whos buying a 8GB Videocard for 4K? That would be insane unless you play old games or want to rely on DLSS/FSR.

But you also say this:
With DLSS, even 3060 range can do 4K in many games.
There soon 300+ games and apps with DLSS support.

I suggest to be more consistent in your statements or to rely on facts, because you contradicted yourself more than once and perhaps you are not aware.

Like in Nvidia cards as low as 3060 can play 4k when suits you but 3080 which "beats" 6800XT, these cards are not even good for 4K to begin with and are mostly suited for 1440p gaming.

Nevermind, as I already said, I can understand your views about Nvidia videocards and agree with some points. But more than this I can also understand and expose Nvidia planned obsolescence and dark pattern bussiness model and the major weak points of their videocards. Wish you too.

 

[KofeViR]

Your previous "affirmations":
3080 even beats 6800XT by 5% in 1% lows in 3840x2160 while having 6GB less VRAM. And these cards are not even good for 4K to begin with and mostly suited for 1440p gaming.
And another one:
Yeah but whos buying a 8GB Videocard for 4K? That would be insane unless you play old games or want to rely on DLSS/FSR.

But you also say this:
With DLSS, even 3060 range can do 4K in many games.
There soon 300+ games and apps with DLSS support.

I suggest to be more consistent in your statements or to rely on facts, because you contradicted yourself more than once and perhaps you are not aware.

Like in Nvidia cards as low as 3060 can play 4k when suits you but 3080 which "beats" 6800XT, these cards are not even good for 4K to begin with and are mostly suited for 1440p gaming.

Nevermind, as I already said, I can understand your views about Nvidia videocards and agree with some points. But more than this I can also understand and expose Nvidia planned obsolescence and dark pattern bussiness model and the major weak points of their videocards. Wish you too.

Not everyone wants to use DLSS or FSR.

I have 3080 and it's not good for 4K gaming wihtout DLDSR or DLSS. I need 100+ fps or at the very least 75 fps in single player games. Yep, 3080 is pretty bad for 4K gaming, just like 6800 and 6900 series. I would never want to use my 3080 for native 4K gaming in demanding games...

I don't contradict myself at all. Using DLSS/FSR has nothing to do with native 4K gaming.

I am actually considering a 7900XTX, when prices go lower, zero fanboy here. I am simply stating that people overestimate VRAM amount, because a weak GPU will still be weak with alot of VRAM.

I'd rather have a more powerful GPU with less VRAM.

Ie. 3060 Ti 8GB beats 3060 12GB in pretty much all games at 1440p with ease, using settings that ACTUALLY RUNS WELL on these cards, meaning NOT fully maxed out + Ray Tracing, it is just pointless, because even if 3060 Ti had 16GB it would be too slow.

Does people expect lower mid-tier cards to run the latest games maxed out in 1440p 3 years later, RT included? Ehh... Not even my 3080 does that, and neither does 6800XT with its 16GB VRAM.