AMD's CPU roadmap reveals Zen 3, Zen 4, and 5nm

Shadowboxer

TS Maniac
One thing you're still forgetting is that the 3600 isn't an entry level part, there's a reason athlon and ryzen 3 still exist, just wait a little longer for the zen 2 utilizing athlon and ryzen 3 chips and they will probably be sub 150, let alone the athlon which could go in at around 70, the current entry level chip from amd is the Athlon 3000G, a pretty capable processor for 60 bucks, get your facts straight and realize the true starting point of amd's lineup of cpu's. They aren't milking you, they are innovating, which costs a lot more than just finding ways to reuse an old design. The reason people say that intel was milking people is because they charged ever increasing prices for ever slower increasing performance, AMD's price increases lately have always come with a huge improvement in performance and efficiency and their lower tdp products have capable enough fans included, unlike the stock intel fans that fail to prevent your cpu from melting. The high end threadripper is more powerful than anything on the market, they can control the prices and at the moment they're going to have to, especially if intel really is going to be releasing a new architecture along with NVidia's next generation of gpus. I'm not saying that AMD isn't like any other corporation, but as a dual manufacturer of CPU's and GPU's, they've got a hell of a lot more on their hands than the likes of Intel and NVidia, and yet they've made performance gains that we haven't seen from the other two for a while, and that's with a much smaller workforce and less money to throw around.
Well, the 3600 was the cheapest part labelled Ryzen at the time.
Either way, AMD have hugely increased the price of consumer level chips to near that of HEDT parts. They get away with it because these chips perform very well. But that doesn’t change the fact that the average user is forking out more cash for their systems.

It’s a strong example of a company making as much money as they possibly can. Or as some *****s on here say - “milking”. A good company makes as much money as possible, a concept that many here seem to fail to grasp. This is why the forums make me laugh. Intel and AMD are just as bad as each other, both are gigantic American corporations, neither care about you. Both just want your money.

Hats off to AMD, they are charging $750 for their top end consumer part and clearly people are very happy with this price - even if it’s a clear 50% higher than the price of any other consumer orientated chip we have seen recently. Back when Intel were “milking” their user base a top end consumer part was around 1/3 of that of the top end Ryzen today.
 

Boshum

TS Booster
Well, the 3600 was the cheapest part labelled Ryzen at the time.
Either way, AMD have hugely increased the price of consumer level chips to near that of HEDT parts. They get away with it because these chips perform very well. But that doesn’t change the fact that the average user is forking out more cash for their systems.

It’s a strong example of a company making as much money as they possibly can. Or as some *****s on here say - “milking”. A good company makes as much money as possible, a concept that many here seem to fail to grasp. This is why the forums make me laugh. Intel and AMD are just as bad as each other, both are gigantic American corporations, neither care about you. Both just want your money.

Hats off to AMD, they are charging $750 for their top end consumer part and clearly people are very happy with this price - even if it’s a clear 50% higher than the price of any other consumer orientated chip we have seen recently. Back when Intel were “milking” their user base a top end consumer part was around 1/3 of that of the top end Ryzen today.
Wrong again. The top end Intel consumer chip was around $350. Almost 1/2 the 3950X. In this graph by /Ingebor...AMD's average selling price is lower than a 9600K. Intel had been selling 4c/4t i5's over $200. Now people are buying 6c/12t Ryzen 5's for less than $150. Offering the 3950X for $750 is not simply raising the prices for equivalent mainstream parts. It's in a whole different league.

 
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Shadowboxer

TS Maniac
Wrong again. The top end Intel consumer chip was around $350. Almost 1/2 the 3950X. In this graph by /Ingebor...AMD's average selling price is lower than a 9600K. Intel had been selling 4c/4t i5's over $200. Now people are buying 6c/12t Ryzen 5's for less than $150. Offering the 3950X for $750 is not simply raising the prices for equivalent mainstream parts. It's in a whole different league.

More cores doesn’t really make it justifiably more expensive though. We should be getting more cores for less or the same money, that’s what progress is. It used to IPC and clock speed. You would expect to pay the same for a midrange chip, core count or IPC defines what a midrange chip is.

If you compare the price range of what the companies sell then AMDs is simply far higher than Intel’s was during the period that all the AMD fanboys claim that Intel were “milking” their consumers.
 

Boshum

TS Booster
More cores doesn’t really make it justifiably more expensive though. We should be getting more cores for less or the same money, that’s what progress is. It used to IPC and clock speed. You would expect to pay the same for a midrange chip, core count or IPC defines what a midrange chip is.

If you compare the price range of what the companies sell then AMDs is simply far higher than Intel’s was during the period that all the AMD fanboys claim that Intel were “milking” their consumers.
Yes it does. It essentially makes it into an HEDT chip that's available on the mainstream platform. Something that high end users can tap into. And we are getting more cores for less money with the R5's and R7's. (Why would you say 'More cores doesn’t really make it justifiably more expensive', immediately after you said 'we should be getting more cores for less money or same money' as if cores DO matter). You are contradicting yourself. Also, why do you keep repeating yourself? AMD's prices are lower than what Intel had. AMD sells 8c/16t R7's at the prices Intel sold 4c/8t i7's for years. Just because AMD has some extra 12c/24t and 16c/32t options that can use the same label 'flagship' but unlike anything Intel had but at a higher price point, doesn't in anyway prove your point..but just the opposite. It shows they are bringing even more to the consumer than if they had stopped with the R7's.
 
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JayNor

TS Rookie
Intel ships 10nm Ice Lake, Agilex, Lakefield, NNP-I, Snow Ridge.
Roadmap for the remainder of the year shows 10nm Tiger Lake, Ice Lake Server and a 10nm discrete Xe GPU..

They also ship 14nm parts that can boost to 5.3GHz.

They don't currently have the capacity to move everything to 10nm, and 10nm yields aren't as good as 14nm (according to their CFO).

btw, according to fuse.wikichip

intel 7nm density
237.18 MTr/mm²

tsm 5nm density
171.3 MTr/mm²

 

AS692313

TS Enthusiast
Well, the 3600 was the cheapest part labelled Ryzen at the time.
Either way, AMD have hugely increased the price of consumer level chips to near that of HEDT parts. They get away with it because these chips perform very well. But that doesn’t change the fact that the average user is forking out more cash for their systems.

It’s a strong example of a company making as much money as they possibly can. Or as some *****s on here say - “milking”. A good company makes as much money as possible, a concept that many here seem to fail to grasp. This is why the forums make me laugh. Intel and AMD are just as bad as each other, both are gigantic American corporations, neither care about you. Both just want your money.

Hats off to AMD, they are charging $750 for their top end consumer part and clearly people are very happy with this price - even if it’s a clear 50% higher than the price of any other consumer orientated chip we have seen recently. Back when Intel were “milking” their user base a top end consumer part was around 1/3 of that of the top end Ryzen today.
You still don't realize that the x900x and x950x parts used to be on their hedt lineup, now they've simply put it on their consumer lineup, and if you remember the launch price of the 1900x - 549 and the launch price of the 3900x - 499, it's obvious that you're getting your money's worth. The 1950x cost 999 and the 3950x costs 749. Also, you only need to buy the x570 now and not the x399 motherboards, so you're not spending upwards of 350 just to have an extremely capable chip