Last I've heard is that ZEN 3 will likely be the last of the AM4's.
The real question is.... will zen 3 support b450 chipsets?
Honesty is always the best policy in the long run ... unfortunately, after thousands of years, humans are still too stupid to have learned this for some bizarre reason ... its amusing.
Best for whom? Nature is full of deception. Cancer cells depend on being mistaken for host cells; without that mask they would be quickly eliminated by body defenses.
Honesty is appropriate for your ingroup or 'neighbor'. Honesty may or may not be appropriate for those outside the group. But who is your neighbor?
Jesus addressed it with the parable of the Good Samaritan. His conclusion was that a neighbor is somebody who treats you as they would want to be treated. Those who do not treat you as a neighbor are, by their own actions, not your neighbor. It is the natural complement to the Golden Rule.
Modern evangelical christians do not understand this simple fact. They think Jesus' Golden Rule requires them to treat everyone as a neighbor.
Jesus denies that notion saying "Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you." Matt 7:6
In other words, do not share the sacred or valuable with non-neighbors. That includes the truth, because truth is the most sacred of all things, according to Jesus. Your enemies will use the truth to rend you.
There is a story about Confucius. He was held hostage by a warlord who wanted the prestige of having Confucius live in his city. Confucius asked to be let outside the gates, promising he would return. The warlord agreed because he knew that Confucius always kept his promises. Once outside, Confucius escaped. His disciples were upset. Confucius explained that a promise made under duress is not a promise. The warlord's actions were not those of a neighbor, therefore Confucius was not obligated to tell him the truth.
Game theory studies this topic in depth.
What the hell are you on about?
When honesty becomes a recognized trait in you, people will trust you, form stronger relationships with you, be more willing to help you out, etc. So in the long term, being honest with others is one of the best things you can do for yourself.
It's not hard to understand. There's no need to obfuscate this little gem with babble.
You're probably joking, since your example would mean a trace would be far smaller than a single atom. It's just not possible.So why don't they just get on with it, and move to 0.0000001nm zen 20 or whatever.....
oh, I forgot.....can somebody say "milkin it", which is the exact same thing intel has been doing with Skylake 14nm+++++++ for like 5 years now...... go figure
I'd say it's almost always the best policy. I can think of hypothetical extreme situations where being honest would be evil.
We may be seeing the results of his work by the end of 2021 ... interestingly also the time-frame that Intel claims it will be process competitive again with AMD.AMD is back because of Lisa and Jim.
Intel has Jim now....
We will most likely see Zen3 based desktop CPUs by the end of this year, just not all of them (R5 and/or R7) and certainly not any TR CPUs. The APUs also always seem to come 1 year late.Zen 3 CPU for consumer will be all available by end of 2021... does it mean that they just announce it this year and we need to wait until 2021 for them to release it stage by stage?
Since Ryzen launched the prices of CPUs have dramatically increased. The current entry level Zen 2 part - the 3600 retails for not much less than the top end consumer grade i7 parts from the pre 6xxx series of Intel components from 2015 and before. You know the period when Intel were supposedly “milking” us.
Now we have a mainstream consumer grade competent from AMD in the 3950X selling for more than some of Intel’s previous HEDT parts have gone for and the icing on the cake - the TR3990X is the most expensive consumer CPU ever made.
I know this comment will attract many users to go “but I get way more for my money than we did before” and sure you do, the value of a chip should always be improving.
But the sticker prices of entry level and top end parts have dramatically risen no matter how you slice it. It just goes to show that AMD are no different to Intel. They are just trying to get as much of your money as possible, just like Intel. Just like any large corporation...
You are incorrect, according to price spy the 4790K averaged $250;The 4c/8t 3770K, 4770K, 6700K, and 7700K were all priced over $330 and stayed there, while the 6c/12t 3600 came in at $200 and has already dropped. AMD has been introducing 6c/12t R5's at 4c/4t i5 prices and then quickly dropping the prices of older parts over time. A 3900X with 3 times the cores/threads of the old i7's is currently around $420. I'm not one of those that talks about Intel milking it, but you should try to be more accurate.
You're right about the first part, very mistaken about the second.. Intel tried a 2.25x scale with 10nm. Much higher than what TSMC targets with their node progressions. Had Intel accomplished what they set out to do with 10nm, Ryzen would literally be Bulldozer 2.0 right now. Intel's performance targets were way too aggressive. Intel is far from lazy. They tried to give us the performance jump we all wanted and failed. They aren't milking anything. They took a massive gamble and it didn't work. They aren't milking 14nm, they just literally have no other alternative until they figure how where to go next. That's why they're going to start outsourcing some stuff to Global Foundry and Samsung. At this point 10nm is a lost cause and they've already begun working on 7nm so that's what we'll probably be seeing from Intel next.
The conversation topic started with this post: https://www.techspot.com/community/...eals-zen-3-zen-4-and-5nm.261092/#post-1804095I don't follow.
You are incorrect, according to price spy the 4790K averaged $250;
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This was more expensive than the 4770K and the 3770K. I ask that you use these tools to check the prices of those too as your numbers are flat out wrong.
Clearly you are the one who needs to be more accurate!
What the hell are you on about?
When honesty becomes a recognized trait in you, people will trust you, form stronger relationships with you, be more willing to help you out, etc. So in the long term, being honest with others is one of the best things you can do for yourself.
It's not hard to understand. There's no need to obfuscate this little gem with babble.
You're probably joking, since your example would mean a trace would be far smaller than a single atom. It's just not possible.
Don't confuse Intel's Milking it with AMD's moving forward with technological advancements & high innovations.So why don't they just get on with it, and move to 0.0000001nm zen 20 or whatever.....
oh, I forgot.....can somebody say "milkin it", which is the exact same thing intel has been doing with Skylake 14nm+++++++ for like 5 years now...... go figure
Ah you were joking. I got you now LOLOf course I was joking, but the point I was making was not a joke, because with the incremental advances & improvements every year or so, we HAVE been getting milked for sooooo many years now for soooo many billions of $$ by the pc industry that it just aint funny any more....
Building a new CPU micro-architecture, we are looking at 5-6 year window. It took AMD approx: 6 years to design & launch ZEN, from scratch. And that was with somewhat limited cash resources. But they succeeded, thanks to Jim Keller & the AMD CPU design team.We may be seeing the results of his work by the end of 2021 ... interestingly also the time-frame that Intel claims it will be process competitive again with AMD.
One thing you're still forgetting is that the 3600 isn't an entry level part, there's a reason athlon and ryzen 3 still exist, just wait a little longer for the zen 2 utilizing athlon and ryzen 3 chips and they will probably be sub 150, let alone the athlon which could go in at around 70, the current entry level chip from amd is the Athlon 3000G, a pretty capable processor for 60 bucks, get your facts straight and realize the true starting point of amd's lineup of cpu's. They aren't milking you, they are innovating, which costs a lot more than just finding ways to reuse an old design. The reason people say that intel was milking people is because they charged ever increasing prices for ever slower increasing performance, AMD's price increases lately have always come with a huge improvement in performance and efficiency and their lower tdp products have capable enough fans included, unlike the stock intel fans that fail to prevent your cpu from melting. The high end threadripper is more powerful than anything on the market, they can control the prices and at the moment they're going to have to, especially if intel really is going to be releasing a new architecture along with NVidia's next generation of gpus. I'm not saying that AMD isn't like any other corporation, but as a dual manufacturer of CPU's and GPU's, they've got a hell of a lot more on their hands than the likes of Intel and NVidia, and yet they've made performance gains that we haven't seen from the other two for a while, and that's with a much smaller workforce and less money to throw around.Since Ryzen launched the prices of CPUs have dramatically increased. The current entry level Zen 2 part - the 3600 retails for not much less than the top end consumer grade i7 parts from the pre 6xxx series of Intel components from 2015 and before. You know the period when Intel were supposedly “milking” us.
Now we have a mainstream consumer grade competent from AMD in the 3950X selling for more than some of Intel’s previous HEDT parts have gone for and the icing on the cake - the TR3990X is the most expensive consumer CPU ever made.
I know this comment will attract many users to go “but I get way more for my money than we did before” and sure you do, the value of a chip should always be improving.
But the sticker prices of entry level and top end parts have dramatically risen no matter how you slice it. It just goes to show that AMD are no different to Intel. They are just trying to get as much of your money as possible, just like Intel. Just like any large corporation...