AMD's Frank Azor is confident there will be no Ampere-like shortages with the RX 6000

texasrattler

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Seems like you haven‘t been following the 30x0 launch soap opera too much. After the initial hype it pretty much looks like a sh1t show with the few cards that were sold encountering crash issues, HDMI 2.1 issues with OLED TV...
Seems like you havent seen tech business in the past 20 yrs. Its nothing new. 20 series had issues from the get go. Other gen series had issues too. So lets not get your panties in a bunch over something that was obviously going to happen. Its new tech afterall. All electronics this happens too, yes AMD too. The smart people dont buy new tech right away, thats what is called a sucker.
 

Irata

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Seems like you havent seen tech business in the past 20 yrs. Its nothing new. 20 series had issues from the get go. Other gen series had issues too. So lets not get your panties in a bunch over something that was obviously going to happen. Its new tech afterall. All electronics this happens too, yes AMD too. The smart people dont buy new tech right away, thats what is called a sucker.
Totally agree with you that pre ordering / being a day one buyer is stupid.

And yes, I have seen the tech business in the past 20+ years, so this is nothing new. I was simply arguing the moronic „nVidia always good, never a problem, AMD always bad and always problems“ attitude.
 

amghwk

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For some strange reason, I was never interested in the Nvidia's 3xxx series debut and offerings, but instead waiting for the next upgrade to my surprise hit 5700XT from AMD.

The 5700XT was an unexpected card that hit the right price point with very respectable performance, after playing catch-up with Nvidia before that.

Will wait and see how's the much hyped Big Navi turns out to be. Not following the hype, but I like how the 5700XT was priced for it's performance, and hence waiting for the 6000 series to see how it performs and what price it asks for.

Not sure what others are babbling about driver issues (and memes and copycat repeaters of the so-called driver issues) of Radeon cards but since I got it, and installed the drivers, I had no problems. Otherwise, I would have been prospecting for a Nvidia by now.)
 

OptimumSlinky

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Puiu

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You sure about that? 😂

We're still over a month away and there is a new article about "Big Navi" every single day. It is only going to get larger as the date draws closer. I mean hell we're reading into one line sentences from AMD's marketing director tweets. But you could be trolling, if that is the case, I digress 🤣
As big of an AMD fan I am (well, mostly because I dislike Nvidia and Intel :p), AMD's PR and marketing is just sub par 90% of the time. They really need to do something about it because word of mouth is not enough (and an ingame Fortnite teaser is just sad).
 

Shadowboxer

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Buying a Radeon card is like ordering an Nvidia card of wish! Radeon is utterly hopeless these days, I’m not surprised that they are confident that no ones going to buy them.

Personally I’d like to see the Radeon brand sold to another company that will nurture it back to health. AMD has done nothing for it.
 

MaxSmarties

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Shadowboxer

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By November, most probably both will be widely available to buy.
It will be difficult to trust AMD again about their drivers, after the 5700XT nightmare, but if the card is good enough, I could consider it.
Completely with you. The black screen bug was too far from AMD and the lack of acknowledgement and fix after over a year is enough to put me off for good. It was the final nail in the coffin of years and years of AMD bugs and annoyances. The fact is once AMD have your money they don’t care about you, the drivers are half arsed and the support doesn’t last as long as Nvidia’s.

I’ve been on an RTX 2080 since April, after 7 years of Radeon and I’m kicking myself for not making the switch sooner.
 
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hahahanoobs

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Because he didn't say anything about supply; he simply stated that it wouldn't be a paper launch, and then click-baity tech media ran with, "Radeon guarantees stock at launch!"

People are literally putting words in his mouth then getting mad when he reminds them that's not what he said: https://media.discordapp.net/attach...302107242566/unknown.png?width=598&height=910
Weak damage control from AMD.

Frank took a jab at Nvidia for what? They released some cards, and AMD will also release some cards or more cards? AMD isn't in a position of power to tease us with basically nothing but talk.

Read the UPDATED portion at the top:

PS, remember AMDs 4GB means 4GB marketing? It blew up in their face. AMD should let its products sell themselves if their marketing remains to be incompetent.
 

Rayneofpayne

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Funny AMD has an event like amphere every release with hardly enough stock to meet demand, they have a precedent.
 

Rayneofpayne

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You sure about that? 😂

We're still over a month away and there is a new article about "Big Navi" every single day. It is only going to get larger as the date draws closer. I mean hell we're reading into one line sentences from AMD's marketing director tweets. But you could be trolling, if that is the case, I digress 🤣
From the leaks it's not going to meet all your hype train, don't fanboys ever get tired, what excuses are coming in a month or 2 when it doesn't actually even compete with a 3080?
 

pencea

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I've never seen anyone line up or have to wait or walk away disappointed looking for an AMD anything.
You need to travel the world more than. Plenty of people were lining up for the Athlon 64, Radeon 4000 & 5000 series, first gen and second gen Ryzen throughout parts of Europe, Germany, Australia, Japan, and such.
 

Avro Arrow

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RTG need to stop tweeting and actually give us something to stop people piling onto the next shipment of RTX 3***.

Facetious one or two word tweets, silly poems etc is not good marketing and does not give me confidence they have a product to rival nvidia.
Maybe because they really don't want to spill the beans yet. When you've been around as long as I have, you realise that EVERY launch is like this and you just get used to it. Getting aggravated and complaining about it won't change it, it will just make your hair fall out sooner. LOL
 

Avro Arrow

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Truth

But even with this lower hype, AMD has always had trouble keeping supply of their larger cards. You can partially blame one-year shortages of the 290X on miners, but AMD's low production targets was also to-blame (they had already seen what happens when you give the HD 5850 to coin miners for $270...it disappears from retail shelves for nearly a year!) They would have known what such a low price card as the 290 would have done to demand (and should have ordered more.)


The Fury X also suffered from six months of poor availability,

Vega 64 (just a die shrink of the Fury X) was also impossible to find at anywhere near MSRP for its first year...even though the Etherium market crashed just 3 months into the thing's intro.

AMD has never been able to meet the demand for their big boards, and that has always been why NVIDIA massively outsells them in the high-end.

My guess: they didn't want to get stuck with excesses Vega 64 mining stock, like Nvidia did with Pascal...but if you can't take risks, you don't sell enough to make a dent in consumer mind-share.

You don't encourage new buyers when your last four cards were impossible to find...they will not wait.
This isn't what killed ATi's mindshare. What killed ATi's mindshare was the fact that GCN was much better at GPUCompute than nVidia's offerings. Now, that in itself didn't kill ATi's mindshare but the fact that Polaris' power efficiency and GPUCompute performance made it the first choice for miners did. The nVidia competitor to the RX 580 was the GTX 1060, the most popular single card (by a country mile) on Steam.

Mindshare is created by the number of people using it and being satisfied with it. That means mindshare is a result of the lower-mid $200-$300 cards being adopted. That's where the card makers make their real money. Sure, high-end cards may sell out quickly but that's because there aren't as many of them. I'd say that the Pascal GTX 1060 sold more cards than all other Pascal cards COMBINED. We just don't see very many of them. It's like, the most important card, really, to AMD for the RDNA1 generation was the RX 5600 XT which is why they didn't allow it to fail. They aimed it at the GTX 1660p but ramped it up to RTX 2060 levels of performance.

The cards that fall between $200 and $300 are the bread-and-butter cards. Not overly interesting, often overlooked but extremely vital. They're like the offensive line of video cards.
 
Does he mean no shortages like in the awful launch of the RX5700/XT, where there were no cards to be found anywhere for two months? I was eager to buy one but after that terrible hype launch, I stayed with Nvidia. Glad now that I did.
 

Avro Arrow

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That Andre Elijah should change his name to Karen because he's a first-class drama queen. He said that his work is screwed because he couldn't get an RTX 3090. So what was he using before, an 8500 GT?

There's no work in the world that REQUIRES a card that didn't exist until last week so he can go cry in the corner for all I care. Pathetic people annoy me.