AMD's GPU shipments increase by 22 percent, eroding Nvidia's market share

amstech

IT Overlord
It really appears that you are gaslighting here.
Me and the other 84% of steam users must be trying to manipulate others.
75% of discrete GPU shares are being manipulated too.




You gotta be in a real special room, with closed off walls and selective reading to have the nerve to say I am gaslighting.
 
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Adhmuz

TechSpot Paladin
The problem with polls are fanboys of the opposite brand lying. Just look at how many fresh accounts have appeared on this forum with just one generic pro Nvidia/Intel post.
Don't worry these drive by account exist in AMD's fan club as well, they just tend to stick around longer to argue with anyone who dares reply to their nonsense.
 
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Me and the other 84% of steam users must be trying to manipulate others.
75% of discrete GPU shares are being manipulated too.




You gotta be in a real special room, with closed off walls and selective reading to have the nerve to say I am gaslighting.
OK, pulling the marketshare card. So how exactly could the 84% of Steam users who I assume are nVidia customers contribute to the AMD driver issue ? They do not have an AMD GPU.

No need to include the links to the issue we are discussing. That‘s a bit pointless really.

Regarding gaslighting: I think this fits very well looking at your posts on the driver topic.

„ Gaslighting is a form of psychological manipulation in which a person or a group covertly sows seeds of doubt in a targeted individual, making them question their own memory, perception, or judgment, often evoking in them cognitive dissonance and other changes such as low self-esteem. Using denial, misdirection, contradiction, and misinformation, gaslighting involves attempts to destabilize the victim and delegitimize the victim's beliefs. „

Not necessarily against an individual but a group. But you know best what you are posting.

Still curious what an acceptable response would be for you. Saying „I have no problem“ does not seem to be it but rather “denial“.
 

amstech

IT Overlord
Gaslighting is a form of psychological manipulation
It's also a symptom of denial.
I posted in-arguable truth, its not up for debate... and anyone trying to dismiss, or play it off, is just losing credibility as a poster. Its not about what is truth, its about why it's truth.

This is the truth:



I don't have anything against AMD, and most users probably don't have many issues, but the truth IS WHAT IT IS, doesn't really matter what I say. I don't even PC game much anymore, but if you continue to believe what you want to believe, regardless of what you read, why even bother forming your own opinion if it's not based on results and data. Accept the truth about things, and form an unbiased opinion.
 
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Evernessince

地獄らしい人間動物園
It's also a symptom of denial.
I posted in-arguable truth, its not up for debate... and anyone trying to dismiss, or play it off, is just losing credibility as a poster. Its not about what is truth, its about why it's truth.

This is the truth:



I don't have anything against AMD, and most users probably don't have many issues, but the truth IS WHAT IT IS, doesn't really matter what I say. I don't even PC game much anymore, but if you continue to believe what you want to believe, regardless of what you read, why even bother forming your own opinion if it's not based on results and data. Accept the truth about things, and form an unbiased opinion.
From your 1st link:

"It's not clear how far reaching the problem exists. "

People are already well aware of the issue, the argument has always been over the breadth of it.. Pointing to links and saying "this is the truth" is not only vague, it's misleading as the websites do not all form an concensous. One website says the exact numbers aren't clear while techspot went ahead and posted poll numbers from it's own poll. WCCF (2nd link) only provides a link to a reddit thread. In effect, you can't possibly say "this is the truth" because TechSpot's poll clearly does not agree with the conclusion of other tech website's, wherein they state that a definitive conclusion can not be drawn as to the scope of the issue.

Suffice it to say, no other website is stating exact numbers for a reason. I've pointed out the reasons behind this before, TechSpot's poll was never meant to be academic in nature. You can reread my old posts for the exact reason but it can be summarized as not following basic methodology guidelines to ensure data is accurate. You can see that in TechSpot's 2nd poll, which gave wildly different numbers. If you are having more then a 20% swing in your polls for the same topic, there are many variables affecting them you are not properly controlling. Then again, perhaps the intent was only to see if it was an issue in the first place, not assess the breadth. This would be akin to criticizing a elementary school science experiment for not controlling all the variables, it misses the point.

In summary

AMD has driver issues right now
The scope of which is not definitively known.

Those are the facts.
 
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amstech

IT Overlord
Suffice it to say, no other website is stating exact numbers for a reason.
Choose to deal with the information however you choose.
If Nvidia made up 16% of Steam users, and 25% of discrete market share, and I came out saying the overall product and execution of issues was over-rated and Nvidia was just as good, I would look like nothing short of a fool, and one making judgments with bias, and not reality.
 
The problem with polls are fanboys of the opposite brand lying. Just look at how many fresh accounts have appeared on this forum with just one generic pro Nvidia/Intel post.
The ratio of ownership is 8:1 (or 7:1?), a large amount of that should be expected. People see hyperbolic titles along the lines of "AMD INCINERATES NVIDIA", all across the internet and at some point they decide to weigh in. Proving they're lying is incumbent on the person making the call.


Techspot reported it too, along with hundreds of verified purchasers on Amazon/Newegg returning them. The debate about it happening is not up for discussion, only why its been happening, which was also reported by Techspot, and a few other tech sites, as well as being on various tech forums.
Who the hell has access to Newegg or Amazons return numbers? No one here I'll venture. And..what about Best Buy or Americas largest retailer - WalMart, Walmart alone could dwarf the others, we just suspect they don't. They DO indeed sell PC components.

No one definitively knows what the Radeon/driver problem is - why is easy when the problem is known. Millions of programmers worldwide will **** themselves if this turns out to be a compiler switch.
 
From your 1st link:

"It's not clear how far reaching the problem exists. "

People are already well aware of the issue, the argument has always been over the breadth of it.. Pointing to links and saying "this is the truth" is not only vague, it's misleading as the websites do not all form an concensous. One website says the exact numbers aren't clear while techspot went ahead and posted poll numbers from it's own poll. WCCF (2nd link) only provides a link to a reddit thread. In effect, you can't possibly say "this is the truth" because TechSpot's poll clearly does not agree with the conclusion of other tech website's, wherein they state that a definitive conclusion can not be drawn as to the scope of the issue.

Suffice it to say, no other website is stating exact numbers for a reason. I've pointed out the reasons behind this before, TechSpot's poll was never meant to be academic in nature. You can reread my old posts for the exact reason but it can be summarized as not following basic methodology guidelines to ensure data is accurate. You can see that in TechSpot's 2nd poll, which gave wildly different numbers. If you are having more then a 20% swing in your polls for the same topic, there are many variables affecting them you are not properly controlling. Then again, perhaps the intent was only to see if it was an issue in the first place, not access the breadth. This would be akin to criticizing a elementary school science experiment for not controlling all the variables, it misses the point.

In summary

AMD has driver issues right now
The scope of which is not definitively known.

Those are the facts.
100% agree.
 
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Choose to deal with the information however you choose.

If Nvidia made up 16% of Steam users, and 25% of discrete market share, and I came out saying the overall product and execution of issues was over-rated and Nvidia was just as good, I would look like nothing short of a fool, and one making judgments with bias, and not reality.
"I posted in-arguable truth, its not up for debate... and anyone trying to dismiss, or play it off, is just losing credibility as a poster. Its not about what is truth, its about why it's truth."​

I call all that "Word Salad"
 

amstech

IT Overlord
"I posted in-arguable truth, its not up for debate... and anyone trying to dismiss, or play it off, is just losing credibility as a poster. Its not about what is truth, its about why it's truth."​

I call all that "Word Salad"
Here's some word salad:
PCWorld said:
While Radeon Software’s taken tremendous strides forward over the last few years, rivaling the superb quality of Nvidia’s GeForce offerings, software stability has been an ongoing concern for AMD for a long time—and one that caused many users to vow off Radeon in favor of GeForce during the troublesome Catalyst era. Nipping this in the bud needs to happen fast, especially with AMD graphics cards such as the Radeon RX 5700 and 5700 XT delivering performance good enough to earn the nod as some of our favorite graphics cards.

That said, it’s a bummer that it took intense press spotlight to spur AMD into action.
 

BORT007

TS Rookie
Ah, the joys of a competitive market knocking the complacent off the top of the heap.
Except they're still at the top of the heap and complacency would only apply if AMD could punch past a Pascal card Nvidia released over 2 years ago at this point.