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AMD's X570 chipset won't support first-generation Ryzen

By onetheycallEric ยท 35 replies
May 30, 2019
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  1. grumblguts

    grumblguts TS Enthusiast Posts: 71   +56

    Not surprising really with the pci4.0 spec that need to be certified.
    where is the motivation for a board manufacturer to certify drivers on hardware its already sold.
     
  2. Theinsanegamer

    Theinsanegamer TS Evangelist Posts: 1,529   +1,739

    Well, except for that whole "A320 not fully supporting ryzen 3000" thing. That's kind of the complete opposite of "the old boards can run the new chips".
     
  3. quadibloc

    quadibloc TS Booster Posts: 71   +38

    No doubt there are valid technical reasons why the X570 chipset can't support the initial Ryzen chips, but I can't imagine what those technical reasons would be. If the new chips have the power, address, and data lines on the same pins, they should just work the same, shouldn't they?

    Well, there are possible reasons. The newer processors run at a lower voltage, since they're on a smaller process size. Perhaps lower than anticipated. The newer processors support a faster version of the PCIe bus. Maybe they use the same pins for that as were used by the earlier processors for the slower one, and there's an incompatibility between the signals. Obviously, maintaining 100% compatibility between generations by leaving out features from the newer Ryzen processors wasn't an option.
     
  4. Evernessince

    Evernessince TS Evangelist Posts: 3,913   +3,364

    Read the end of the article people. It's been updated that AMD will in fact support 1st gen chips on x570.
     
  5. RaXoR

    RaXoR TS Addict Posts: 141   +96

    That's for the APUs. Raven Ridge, not Summit Ridge.
     
  6. 10thDmenxn

    10thDmenxn TS Member Posts: 30

    They have CLEARLY said that they WILL support first gen Ryzen chips. So this title should be changed, as it is not only incorrect, but misleading.
     
  7. Evernessince

    Evernessince TS Evangelist Posts: 3,913   +3,364

    That's confusing.
     
  8. neeyik

    neeyik TS Addict Posts: 47   +34

    It is a little but AMD just aren't offering support for any Ryzen 1xxxx processors; the Raven Ridge APUs are all 2xxxx chips:

    Interestingly though, their own website still says no for Summit Ridge and Raven Ridge:

    https://www.amd.com/en/chipsets/x570
     
  9. jpuroila

    jpuroila TS Enthusiast Posts: 55   +30

    The reason is because manufacturers insist on having UEFIs with fancy graphics and stuff, and they only have very limited amount of space, so they can either have fancy UEFI or one that supports CPUs across multiple generations, but not both.
     
  10. RaXoR

    RaXoR TS Addict Posts: 141   +96

    So basically, anything 1st gen that isn't an APU will not be supported. Anything second gen and up, will be supported.
     
  11. Danny101

    Danny101 TS Guru Posts: 739   +284

    What I would expect to happen is if one wants to keep using the first generation Ryzen, then don't upgrade the BIOS. If upgrading the BIOS means you lose support for 1st generation, but gain support for the latest generation, then that could be an acceptable compromise that motherboard makers should allow. After 2020, I imagine a new socket like AM5 or AM4+ would appear with Zen 2+ or Zen 3. I already shelled out for X370 and I will be sticking with that and a high-end Ryzen 3000 CPU for quite a while, despite the many advancements that will occur after this choice. I suppose I should have waited for X570 or the next one. At any rate, it's still a great leap forward than what I had previously. Technology continuously advances, just pick your spot, be good with it, and upgrade when it's not cutting the mustard anymore. Too many incremental upgrades can be an E-Waste environmental issue. Electronics are laden with toxic chemicals and with all the excitement over performance opportunities, just ask yourself if you really need it. Odds are you don't. If you must upgrade, try to repurposed if you can.
     
    Last edited: Jun 12, 2019

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