Anti-piracy group wants to legally deploy rootkits against pirates
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This is why I'm glad I preach "reformat that piece of ****" the second I hear someone bought a computer from a store and didn't build their own. theres enough preinstalled garbage on store bought pcs as it is lol
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The oppressed becoming the oppressor, what a cyclical cycle. The more things change the more the stay the same.
oberonqa
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M4a4 said: "Pre-install something on a computer? How stupid can you be?? They will just crack that too!"
This pretty much sums up why such draconian measures are being considered. Every anti-piracy method that has been tried has either been cracked or decried by the media as being too limiting. Heck... sometimes it's both (look no further than Ubisoft to see the proof of this).
Maybe such draconian measures are needed... after all it seems like people aren't going to stop any other way.
Oh and the tools that say piracy doesn't hurt the companies because they wouldn't have purchased the movie ticket/dvd/video game/music cd, etc for <whatever reason> is just asinine. If you got busted for stealing something from a grocery store, do you try to get out of it by saying "I couldn't afford it, but I still want it so it's ok for me to steal it since your not loosing any money anyway". Seriously folks... grow up. We live in a mercantile society... where one barters for what one wants (or needs). Until the day comes that we find ourselves living as citizens of the United Federation of Planets (read: utopian society), it is NEVER going to be acceptable to get something without trading something else for it.
All the rationalizations in the world doesn't change the fact that if you download Iron Man 3 instead of paying for it, you are pirating. Don't blow smoke up my you-know-what about how your not a Marvel fan and wouldn't have paid to see the money so Disney/Marvel isn't loosing any money... because it's obvious you WANTED to see the movie... you just didn't want to PAY to see it. Otherwise why spend the time downloading it and then watching it? Same logic can be applied to anything that is pirated. You WANT <fill in the blank>.... you just don't want to PAY for it. At least be honest and admit your a pirate and not hide being ridiculous rationalizations that couldn't even be used to talk your way out of a shoplifting charge.
I say if such draconian measures finally brings an end to piracy, then bring it on. The only people that would have a problem are the people that would be negatively affected by the presence of such measures.
This pretty much sums up why such draconian measures are being considered. Every anti-piracy method that has been tried has either been cracked or decried by the media as being too limiting. Heck... sometimes it's both (look no further than Ubisoft to see the proof of this).
Maybe such draconian measures are needed... after all it seems like people aren't going to stop any other way.
Oh and the tools that say piracy doesn't hurt the companies because they wouldn't have purchased the movie ticket/dvd/video game/music cd, etc for <whatever reason> is just asinine. If you got busted for stealing something from a grocery store, do you try to get out of it by saying "I couldn't afford it, but I still want it so it's ok for me to steal it since your not loosing any money anyway". Seriously folks... grow up. We live in a mercantile society... where one barters for what one wants (or needs). Until the day comes that we find ourselves living as citizens of the United Federation of Planets (read: utopian society), it is NEVER going to be acceptable to get something without trading something else for it.
All the rationalizations in the world doesn't change the fact that if you download Iron Man 3 instead of paying for it, you are pirating. Don't blow smoke up my you-know-what about how your not a Marvel fan and wouldn't have paid to see the money so Disney/Marvel isn't loosing any money... because it's obvious you WANTED to see the movie... you just didn't want to PAY to see it. Otherwise why spend the time downloading it and then watching it? Same logic can be applied to anything that is pirated. You WANT <fill in the blank>.... you just don't want to PAY for it. At least be honest and admit your a pirate and not hide being ridiculous rationalizations that couldn't even be used to talk your way out of a shoplifting charge.
I say if such draconian measures finally brings an end to piracy, then bring it on. The only people that would have a problem are the people that would be negatively affected by the presence of such measures.
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Why dont they understand that those who torrent would have likely have never purchased it in the first place!! They seemingly multiply the number of downloads with the RRP of the content and say thats how much thry are losing... I for one would have never got 99% of what I've downloaded if torrenting didnt exist/I had to pay. In terms of money, thy are 'losing' no where near the billions they claim
spydercanopus
Posts: 897 +156
Lets not provide a way to allow people to legally watch our stuff, let's infect them with viruses instead!
spydercanopus
Posts: 897 +156
They will be infecting the media they sell, so if you play a blu-ray, you'll get the root-kit and they'll look on your computer for pirated stuff.
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It seems the only way to stop piracy is to stop internet...
...and that is not happening...
I really liked this post:
"They label all sorts of things as piracy but is it our fault, they region lock and otherwise impede potential customers? That's just like saying you can get something, but only if you're from x location and can only use in x country. Locking out potential customers is a terrible idea, and also overcharging is a good way to upset a user base. Especially in the digital market, where there are no actual physical distance between us."
...and that is not happening...
I really liked this post:
"They label all sorts of things as piracy but is it our fault, they region lock and otherwise impede potential customers? That's just like saying you can get something, but only if you're from x location and can only use in x country. Locking out potential customers is a terrible idea, and also overcharging is a good way to upset a user base. Especially in the digital market, where there are no actual physical distance between us."
Duckula22
Posts: 55 +2
All the more reason not to buy crap that risks infecting my system with something. Makes it waiting until some warez group deals with the annoyance even more attractive, they'd be actually sort of pushing me towards piracy if they they took the Starforce approach.
At any rate, they'd be fu(king up a virtual machine that runs from a virtual hard drive that is physically stored on an encrypted volume.
cliffordcooley
Posts: 13,141 +6,441
I only hope they don't do something stupid before hand.
Xclusiveitalian
Posts: 879 +307
If this got passed I think every hacker in the world would unite just to destroy their company from the ground up.
Cycloid Torus
Posts: 4,892 +1,711
Can 't quite agree. Spent 5 hours re-installing Win7 on a new hard drive, but was not allowed to register my totally legal copy because it couldn't find the old O/S (on my dead drive). Several hoops later, I felt like a trained dog...so I had to complete it the next day with a chat with some helpful fella in India or someplace.
I guess that makes me one of those "people that would be negatively affected by the presence of such measures."
I also recall a DRM which 'infected' my system (I think it was with love from Ubisoft) and the difficulty I had getting my system back to where I wanted it.
I don't know what the right answer is, but I don't buy Ubisoft games anymore.
mrcavooter
Posts: 65 +6
Lol
captaincranky
Posts: 19,682 +8,822
Dude, this is some heavy s*** here! You just can't summarily "LOL" at it.
mrcavooter
Posts: 65 +6
ROFL
captaincranky
Posts: 19,682 +8,822
mrcavooter
Posts: 65 +6
I'm simply stating that the basis of this is hilarious. There is no way this would ever be implemented. Pull your panties out of your mangina.
captaincranky
Posts: 19,682 +8,822
There are no panties bunched up in my "mangina". First, we're going commando, and second I'm just the cook. Stir the pot, that's my job
M$ bought this detection tool: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb897445.aspx from the gentleman, (Mark Russinovich), who wrote it, in response to Sony's hi-jinx!
Nobody went to jail at Sony over this issue. Either the execs were beyond the reach of the law, or it isn't actually illegal, or only marginally so.
But I concede, that under current statutes which make breaking somebody's computer with malware illegal, this is a real gray area.
89 pages is a lot of shoveling boys and girls, and it be time to crack out the hip boots too.....
I beg to differ. This actually was done by Sony, who DID put rootkits in some of their CDs, masquerading as simple copy protection.
M$ bought this detection tool: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb897445.aspx from the gentleman, (Mark Russinovich), who wrote it, in response to Sony's hi-jinx!
Nobody went to jail at Sony over this issue. Either the execs were beyond the reach of the law, or it isn't actually illegal, or only marginally so.
But I concede, that under current statutes which make breaking somebody's computer with malware illegal, this is a real gray area.
Wow, 89 pages is it now! This corroborates that old adage, "if you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bulls***" !
89 pages is a lot of shoveling boys and girls, and it be time to crack out the hip boots too.....
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Already is.
The people who suggest these things should either be hanged or imprisoned.
Stupid waste of time and energy.
Piracy is not an important issue. . .
War is.
Hunger is.
Disease is.
Poverty is.
Environmentalism is.
Anti-corruption is.
treetops
Posts: 3,064 +784
How much did they pay to get pirating paper clipped on this bill? And people wonder why most users feel zero guilt about pirating. It is insane that you face a stiffer penalty for pirating a online movie as opposed to physically stealing one from a store.
captaincranky
sagging pants, maybe we should all go back to wearing wigs, not sure which is more silly, showing your underwear kinda fits in with a baboon flaring its red *** around, maybe were finally catching up to them or the latter, devolving?
captaincranky
sagging pants, maybe we should all go back to wearing wigs, not sure which is more silly, showing your underwear kinda fits in with a baboon flaring its red *** around, maybe were finally catching up to them or the latter, devolving?
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I download things I have no intention of buying so they are not missing my money.
If I do download a game and enjoy it then I buy it to play it online simple as and as for movies, If I didn't download then I'd just wait till it cam on Sky TV.
If I do download a game and enjoy it then I buy it to play it online simple as and as for movies, If I didn't download then I'd just wait till it cam on Sky TV.
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