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Anti-piracy group wants to legally deploy rootkits against pirates

By Jos · 64 replies
May 27, 2013
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  1. In a new example of the entertainment industry’s disconnect with reality and their overreaching tactics, an anti-piracy group known as the Commission on the Theft of American Intellectual Property has issued a 89-page report in which they cite billions of...

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  2. Captain555

    Captain555 TS Rookie

    I wouldn't want to see what the pirates will do to them if they ever try this.
  3. I wonder If totalitarian means anything to these people?
    Stan Williams, spencer and Wendig0 like this.
  4. BlueDrake

    BlueDrake TS Evangelist Posts: 378   +113

    I can see the reasons of protecting their IP, but going to these extremes is a bit far reaching. Physically damaging things is very extreme, and well worth avoiding if at all possible. They are grasping at anything possible to restrict piracy, in any imaginable way and it's going to be a serious backlash.

    If such things are pushed forward as a possible answer to piracy, yes it's going to "hurt" pirates according to them. Just are you going to justify that kind of underhanded tactic, simply because you're left with no alternative? It's clear they don't want to work with others, in actually finding a better solution but rather do it their own way.

    They label all sorts of things as piracy but is it our fault, they region lock and otherwise impede potential customers? That's just like saying you can get something, but only if you're from x location and can only use in x country. Locking out potential customers is a terrible idea, and also overcharging is a good way to upset a user base. Especially in the digital market, where there are no actual physical distance between us.

    NTAPRO TS Evangelist Posts: 809   +102

    Lol, ruin someone's pc because they download the next disney movie for free

    Seems legit.
    Codepimp and mrcavooter like this.
  6. veLa

    veLa TS Evangelist Posts: 841   +278

    Plain and simple, if you access my computer without permission I'll do the same to yours except far more destructively.
  7. Tygerstrike

    Tygerstrike TS Enthusiast Posts: 827   +93

    I can understand their frustration in dealing with piracy. These ppl are loosing money and everyone seems to be turning a blind eye to the problem. What I mean is they admit ppl are pirating, but other then full in-depth investigations into individual accounts, nothing much can be done. So Im sure you all can understand that these ppl are pissed that the money they SHOULD be getting they arent. So yea, maybe a bit of draconian tactics maybe nessasary.
    Digital Piracy has been a sore spot for these companies for a very long time. Everytime they DO try and give alternate forms of use, ppl play nice for a bit then go right back to piracy. As a retail manager I can empathize with them. It would be like having ppl come right into my store and stealing whatever they wanted and the police hold the door for them. They are upset and they are missing monies that are rightfully theirs. It may take more drastic measures to get ppl to stop pirating. But if they do impliment them, ppl have no one to blame but themselves in this instance.
  8. cliffordcooley

    cliffordcooley TS Guardian Fighter Posts: 11,200   +4,860

    I once knifed my own tire. The fact that I had placed the tire on someone else's car, landed me community service. You cannot do damage to anyone else's property, it's even illegal to damage your own property under certain conditions. There is no way in hell this will pass legislation. The same laws that prevent server take downs, will protect personal PC's against attacks like this from becoming legal.
  9. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 14,363   +3,594

    I think we should take a multi-pronged approach to combat pervasive moral laxity and illegality in all of it's most insidious forms.

    First, bring back "Prohibition". Deny these godless downloaders the devil's brew. That'll make them think with a clearer head before infringing on anyone's sacred intellectual property.

    Second, initiate no tolerance enforcement the "Mann Act" once again, even between married individuals. This will prevent heathens in heat from traveling to another state and hooking up to the music of illegally ripped mix CDs.

    And finally third, make running around with your a** hanging out of your pants a capital offense (*). Will that curb illegal downloading? Probably not. But I think most of us are sick of looking at it anyway. I know I sure am....:mad:

    (*) Individuals caught with low hanging trousers should not be given the benefit of constitutional protection from cruel and unusual punishment. Put them in front of a firing squad, and give the law abiding citizens benefit of their last request. Mine would be, "make them listen to country music for at least an hour, then shoot 'em":p
  10. I have a better, almost surreal tactic, better prices.
    spectrenad, Wendig0 and wastedkill like this.
  11. ReederOnTheRun

    ReederOnTheRun TS Booster Posts: 301   +62

    I can't see them passing any of that radical stuff, but if they did; I'd imagine it wouldn't be long before pirates came up with a workaround to avoid getting caught. As long as it is a free country, there is no way to really stop piracy. Someone will always find a way around it and spread the word.

    And thank god for that. :)
    hammer2085 likes this.
  12. tipstir

    tipstir TS Ambassador Posts: 2,839   +193

    Just don't give out free download trials and, beta testing should be kept in-house. Otherwise it open house for these guys.
  13. Let's shut the internet down, get rid of google, go back to am frequencies, put chip in everybody's heads and stay dormant.
  14. I would like to meet the actual human beings who are responsible for nonsense like this. They've gotta be the most giantest morons on the face of the planet. "I got an idea Jim, what if we f*ck up people's computers that download music, that'll stop em." "Good idea Bob, let's get get our lobbyists on it right away"

    Even if my computer came with this preloaded virus crap on it I could think of 15 or 20 different ways around it. I think this is the major fact that these folks miss. I think that fundamentally they don't understand the technology behind downloading stuff. They're thinking like this is a physical problem they can solve. An analogy would be car theft. These people are trying to design a better "club" steering wheel lock. They fail to realize though that no matter what they create someone will figure out a way around it. Us nerds are a helluva lot smarter than they are.

    The real solution to the problem of people illegally downloading media lies in figuring out a better business model. These old folks don't understand that it isn't the 60's anymore and that producing and selling albums as a business model died off at least 10 years ago. So listen up RIAA/MPAA, your business model is completely dead. We no longer need you to produce, package, or distribute music anymore. We don't need any part of your business model. You need us. Figure out a better business model. And I'm sorry but songs for $1.29 on Itunes just isn't working either. The industry needs to change. We as people don't.

    And the day that my devices come with a pre-loaded virus is the day the nerds revolt.
  15. If I wrote software, I would have done this for years now. I would FLOOD all major torrent sites, all warez sites, and file trading sites with my software with additional variations of malware and such. Screws up someones PC? sucks to be you, pay me for my work next time then.
  16. US will be officially the most stupid country if this BS get passed. Stupid American. Go die.
  17. Darth Shiv

    Darth Shiv TS Evangelist Posts: 1,934   +551

    One thing doing that. It's another thing being an organisation trying to pass this into law. They are painting a VERY large target on themselves.
  18. Getting pretty tired of modern media - all flash and little substance. And it's becoming increasingly apparent that digital puts too much power in the hands of soulless technocrats. I guess it's back to good old-fashioned paper books for me. I get a lot more out of them anyway. The best way to send a message to these greedy-dumbs is with our wallets.
  19. Adhmuz

    Adhmuz TechSpot Paladin Posts: 1,890   +686

    "The scheme calls for software to be pre-installed on users? computers to identify whether they are illegally copying, storing or consuming copyrighted content." You'll have to pry it from my cold dead fingers first you filthy bastards! Really, do they think they can do this? What are they injecting between their toes, cause I want some. How delusional can an individual be as to actually suggest something so god damn invasive and pervasive as this. So what, this would have to be installed on every computer in the US, because thats going to stop the global piracy epidemic they claim is the cause for their financial downfall. It's almost like listening to that bum on the corner ramble on about government conspiracy and how god will save us all from our sins... right. The saddest part is, even if Windows was to side with this in any way, Linux will be the solution.
  20. MilwaukeeMike

    MilwaukeeMike TS Evangelist Posts: 3,121   +1,390

    So some wacky group wants some terribly extreme law passed and we're worried about it? This is so off-the-wall crazy that the creators of this idea wouldn't even get a meeting with anyone close to a legislator. No matter how powerful you think some lobbyist is, no political figure would go within a mile of this idea just for the RISK of getting their named attached to it.

    Don't get worked up over this one... save it for something real.
    cliffordcooley likes this.
  21. Cycloid Torus

    Cycloid Torus Stone age computing - click on the rock below.. Posts: 3,725   +1,069

    Some one else's intelligent thought (read elsewhere), perhaps RIAA/MPAA is just inflating the ideas so that they can be knocked down. Then they can come back with a 'modest' proposal - like 'phone home' IP/MAC ID so they can pursue some more of those nasty pirates in new ways.

    It probably grieves them that they have this constant drain of 5%-15% (they know they exaggerate) in real piracy. It's too much like taxes AND they think they can actually do something about it..or some of the blokes do ...or they say they do in order to keep their jobs..there are probably a good sized bunch facing 'right-sizing' if they don't.
  22. m4a4

    m4a4 TS Evangelist Posts: 1,322   +828

    Pre-install something on a computer? How stupid can you be?? They will just crack that too!

    And anyone/anything online associated with this will probably be brought down by people like anonymous...
  23. NTAPRO

    NTAPRO TS Evangelist Posts: 809   +102

    Wont work.
  24. They seem just as bad as pirates.
  25. blackshadow2007

    blackshadow2007 TS Rookie

    I can't help but think some group like Anonymous would rain down a Sh*t storm over something like this...

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