Bandwidth in a house with multiple users

Hi JOBeard -
I had an online chat with a tech at Netgear. That tech recommended an extender - specifically this Netgear EX6150 AC1200M 1200Mbps Dual Band Wireless Extender WiFi Signal Booster

I wrote out the same story I've told you - albeit much shorter - and this was the recommendation. I asked where to place this Netgear extender and the answer was to place it in the dead zone.

If I got a Netgear EoP device, would this Netgear extender be useful as the secondary router?

Doug
 
Hi JOBeard -... tech recommended an extender - specifically this Netgear EX6150 AC1200M 1200Mbps Dual Band Wireless Extender WiFi Signal Booster

If I got a Netgear EoP device, would this Netgear extender be useful as the secondary router?

Doug

This is a TRUE extender --it MUST be able to connect to the existing WiFi router to work. This does not need (will not work) with the EoP device.

The EoP solution does not need that connection, as the Eop Master/Remote pair are effectively just like a wired connect (except it's via the house AC wiring). With this solution, you need the EoP pair PLUS another AP or WiFi router.

the product page is at:
https://www.netgear.com/support/product/ex6150.aspx

install guide
http://www.downloads.netgear.com/files/GDC/EX6150/EX6150_QSG_29Sept2015.pdf
 
Hi JOBeard -
BTW, the Netgear folks said that there's no 5g routers or extenders. Is that your understanding as well?

Thanks.
Doug
 
Hi JOBeard -
BTW, the Netgear folks said that there's no 5g routers or extenders. Is that your understanding as well?

Thanks.
Doug
Unknown to me, but 5g has MUCH shorter range, so I stick with the 2.4ghz
 
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This is a TRUE extender --it MUST be able to connect to the existing WiFi router to work. This does not need (will not work) with the EoP device.

The EoP solution does not need that connection, as the Eop Master/Remote pair are effectively just like a wired connect (except it's via the house AC wiring). With this solution, you need the EoP pair PLUS another AP or WiFi router.

the product page is at:
https://www.netgear.com/support/product/ex6150.aspx

install guide
http://www.downloads.netgear.com/files/GDC/EX6150/EX6150_QSG_29Sept2015.pdf




Hi JOBeard -
When you write:
The EoP solution does not need that connection, as the Eop Master/Remote pair are effectively just like a wired connect (except it's via the house AC wiring). With this solution, you need the EoP pair PLUS another AP or WiFi router.
Some number of years ago we had a connection aimed at games and the roommate ran wires through the walls and ceilings in order to get a wired connection to the router. He claimed that direct connections are much faster than wifi connections - that there's a latency with wifi that is not present with a direct router connection. The latency was enough to impede his game performance. If that's true, will the EoP be faster like a direct connection to the router? Is there a performance advantage to the EoP device over the extender (the TRUE extender, as you wrote?)
Thanks,
Doug
 
Yes, WiFi will be slower than a direct connection. Most games are usable with wifi but some games are just HOGS. If you have an OCD gamer in-house, learn how to set QoS for Streaming in the PRIMARY router or he/she will drown you all.

Personally, my EoP connects to WiFi router which is wire connected to my HDTV. For other services, like YouTube streaming, the WiFi -> iPad -> Lightning adaptor -> TV HDMI and it's just fine for normal streaming
 
The EoP is equivalent to Ethernet RJ45. If the gamer can detect lag, the he/she needs their own ISP account and service.

The order of trying the connections is:
  1. the WiFi
  2. a wired connection to a second router (or AP)
  3. the direct connection to the EoP
There's only ONE wired connection on the EoP, so (3) preempts all other usage like a second router/ap.
 
Here's the WINNER imo,

https://www.netgear.com/home/products/networking/powerline/PLW1000.aspx

One device (the EoP) plus the WiFI at the remote end. No need for the AP or extra router.

Just be sure your AC power matches (this one is 120 V ~60)


Hi JOBeard -
I ordered it - from Best Buy. Sorry to drag you through the holes in my knowledge. Isn't regular electricity 110 volts?

It looks like I will have both wifi and direct connect (via access point adapter)?

Doug
 
Hi JOBeard -
I ordered it - from Best Buy. Sorry to drag you through the holes in my knowledge. Isn't regular electricity 110 volts?

It looks like I will have both wifi and direct connect (via access point adapter)?

Doug
110 -- 120 --- all the same :)

Yes, the remote will give wifi plus ONE direct connection
 
  • The ONLY way to do that is to unplug the device from the AC wall socket. As mine is behind a cabinet, I'VE NEVER had to do, or felt it was necessary! We do loose power infrequently, but when it is restored, the device recovers all by it self :)
I try to use Netgear products whenever I have a choice and I have NEVER been disappointed or needed to find a better choice -- lucky me. The Cable & DSL Modems are "old technologies" too -- IMO, so what. My EoP pair were installed 2013!!! I want my network to have parallel paths to the ISP gateway device -- the Mesh technology creates a serial path like the old version of christmas tree lights were. These are not multiple routers, but rather multiple APs. The more the devices, the lower the LAN bandwidth becomes as they chatter back and forth. They also introduce the weakest link problem for reliability -- any one go out and everything further on is dead
110 -- 120 --- all the same :)

Yes, the remote will give wifi plus ONE direct connection


Hi JOBeard -
We picked up the router at Best Buy and will install this coming weekend. Will report back when we've done the install.

The hog is in the tunnel.

Thanks.
Doug
 
Hi JOBeard -
We succeeded in getting internet for the entire house this weekend. There were some complications but NetGear talked us through the problems.

Thank you especially to JOBeard for helping me to understand our options.

Doug
 
If I might ask, which product(s) did you install?
You said 'router' -- how did you get it connected?
 
If I might ask, which product(s) did you install?
You said 'router' -- how did you get it connected?

Hi JOBeard -
Where did I write "router"?

We did all the installing on Saturday, into the wee hours. Once I disconnected the router, it got the attention of everyone in the house, especially the grandchildren, who also wanted to go up into the attic (where the ISP connection is). Do or die time.

I did purchase a NetGear router when I went to the Best Buy to pick up the product, but I had to return it. I bought a router because my ISP charges us $9.99 per month to rent their WiFi router. What we found when we went to install was that the new modem did not match what was from the ISP. The new NetGear modem had a screw-in connection to attach a coaxial cable from the ISP, but the existing Zyxel modem had no wired connection, there was just a thin wire coming out of a tiny little box.

The fellow at Best Buy said we could have a free network consultant visit the house and that's when we'll figure out what we can use to replace that Zyxel modem.

Using the EoP/Extender turned out to be more complicated. When I gave up it was not working with some extra passwords; that was pretty early in the day. I went to Best Buy and bought a (more expensive) NetGear Orbi, which looks like a mesh router. Early in this thread you wrote a concise summary of mesh routers :
"I want my network to have parallel paths to the ISP gateway device -- the Mesh technology creates a serial path like the old version of christmas tree lights were. These are not multiple routers, but rather multiple APs. The more the devices, the lower the LAN bandwidth becomes as they chatter back and forth. They also introduce the weakest link problem for reliability -- any one go out and everything further on is dead"
In a house like ours, once I disconnected the internet to mess with it I needed to deliver results so the sales fellow at Best Buy said that I'd have fewer problems with passwords/SSIDs if I used the Orbi, which has 3 routers (one gets stationed right beside the ISP connection). It cost $280, which was much more than the $120 for the EoP/Extender, but I did not wish to lose the weekend. Supposedly it provides WiFi coverage suitable for a 6,000 sq ft house when ours is only 2,000. The analogy works for me.

I did not finish the install. My son David - the fellow who has the bedroom with no internet - took over. He called NetGear and had a very long conversation with some NetGear fellow who walked him through every problem. I fell asleep late while he was walking to and fro. There needed to be some kind of firmware upgrade, done from afar.

Anyway, when I woke up the next morning we all had internet. I never had a problem so it was transparent to me, but at the other end of the house there was satisfaction. People don't appreciate something working until it doesn't.

We'll invite the Best Buy technician to help us figure out what else we can do, especially to replace that $9.99 / month ISP modem.

Thanks for your persistent help and your many answers about each seemingly arcane topics.

Doug
 
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