BMW, GM, Honda and other automakers join hands for new EV charging network to rival Tesla

[hwertz]

Umm, Tesla has been ranked 27th out of 28th in terms of reliability for several years by Consumer Reports, so basically every car maker except Lincoln (28th place) can not only meet but exceed Tesla quality and reliability. And they're ranked 30th out of 33 brands by JD Power (they beat Jaguar, Alfa Romeo, and Land Rover.)

In the interest of fairness, I will say the average "problems per 100 vehicles", along with the best and the worst, are FAR lower than they were in, say, the 1980s. It's not that the Tesla has terrible reliability according to their surveys, just that car companies really have their vehicle reliability pretty high now.

 

[punctualturn]

I wonder how we jumped from charging network/charging connector to the overal build quality of tesla cars?

 

[Q Wales]

Umm, Tesla has been ranked 27th out of 28th in terms of reliability for several years by Consumer Reports, so basically every car maker except Lincoln (28th place) can not only meet but exceed Tesla quality and reliability. And they're ranked 30th out of 33 brands by JD Power (they beat Jaguar, Alfa Romeo, and Land Rover.)

In the interest of fairness, I will say the average "problems per 100 vehicles", along with the best and the worst, are FAR lower than they were in, say, the 1980s. It's not that the Tesla has terrible reliability according to their surveys, just that car companies really have their vehicle reliability pretty high now.

https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/car-reliability-owner-satisfaction/tesla-and-nissan-make-the-most-reliable-electric-vehicles-a1003912076/

 

[Endymio]

The adults are joining the movement. (Tesla should worry.)

You're confused. Tesla has sold more EVs than all other companies. Combined. Tesla is the adult here in a room full of toddlers.

The question of why did Tesla want everyone to adopt their connectors instead of adopting the connectors of other companies.

See above. The number of vehicles using Tesla's connector is by far the largest. Why would you select a "standard" than almost no one is using?

And for how many years did Tesla lose money?

For many less years than did Amazon. Your point?

 

[Endymio]

the stories concerning Tesla lack of quality is getting worse, and much more frequent.

An excellent example of the bandwagon logical fallacy: one of the most common propaganda techniques.

Now the truth. Consumer Reports ranks Tesla middle of pack, above: Jeep, GMC, Mitsubishi, Chevrolet, Mercedes-Benz, Lincoln, Jaguar, Land Rover, and Alfa Romeo. That's comparing EVs with gas vehicles, however. Among EVs alone, Tesla does better:

DEC 2022: Tesla and Nissan Make the Most Reliable Electric Vehicles
CR's reliability data reveal proven EV standouts....

https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/car-reliability-owner-satisfaction/tesla-and-nissan-make-the-most-reliable-electric-vehicles-a1003912076/

 

[scavengerspc]

Now the truth. Consumer Reports ranks Tesla middle of pack, above: Jeep, GMC, Mitsubishi, Chevrolet, Mercedes-Benz, Lincoln, Jaguar, Land Rover, and Alfa Romeo. That's comparing EVs with gas vehicles, however. Among EVs alone, Tesla does better:

And now the REAL truth. You, again, answered a question nobody asked.
I never said Tesla didn't rank better than those brands. I said that Tesla is getting worse.
And I have more than enough proof.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/03/business/elon-musk-tesla-quality-problems/index.html

Plus those experiences of 2 of my employees and some people in their orbit.
And it is even worse after the last few years.

Pay attention.

 

[Endymio]

And now the REAL truth. . brands. I said that Tesla is getting worse.
And I have more than enough proof. [link deleted]"
.

Pay attention.

Oops! Your link states the exact opposite of what you claimed: it refers to statements made in 2018 about issues found in the first Model 3s, being produced in 2017. This nearly three-year old article then continues:

"...“At the end of the day, this guy’s [Tesla] was fabulous … as good as anybody could possibly do,” Munro said. “I just don’t understand. Mine was built this month, his was built a month later. Mine had problems. His was perfect..."

"...Musk said Tesla continued to make progress even as recently as December of last year (2020), noting that the company is finding issues more quickly as the pace of production continues to speed up...."

I'll repeat my disproof of your false claim that Tesla is "bad and getting worse." As of the latest CR ratings, Tesla (and Nissan) are the most reliable EV models made. See the link I provided for verification.

 

[scavengerspc]

Oops! Your link states the exact opposite of what you claimed: it refers to statements made in 2018 about issues found in the first Model 3s, being produced in 2017. This nearly three-year old article then continues:

"...“At the end of the day, this guy’s [Tesla] was fabulous … as good as anybody could possibly do,” Munro said. “I just don’t understand. Mine was built this month, his was built a month later. Mine had problems. His was perfect..."

"...Musk said Tesla continued to make progress even as recently as December of last year (2020), noting that the company is finding issues more quickly as the pace of production continues to speed up...."

I'll repeat my disproof of your false claim that Tesla is "bad and getting worse." As of the latest CR ratings, Tesla (and Nissan) are the most reliable EV models made. See the link I provided for verification.

I linked that because it is still relevant today.

Why You Should Stay Away From The Tesla Model 3 In 2023

There is no dearth of EVs today, and it won't be wrong to say a lot of them are better than the Tesla Model 3 as well. So, is it worth your money?

www.topspeed.com

Cars have more tech than ever — and drivers are increasingly frustrated with their door handles, screens, and other features

The more high-tech a car is, the more problems it has, according to research by JD Power in its latest study of more than three dozen brands.

www.businessinsider.com

https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/tesla/model-y/2023/reliability/

New Tesla Model S Plaid Buyer Rants About Poor Build Quality On $140,000 EV | Carscoops

Peeling rubber, ill-fitting trim, and a frunk that rocks like it's about to fall off aren't issues you'd expect in a six-figure car

www.carscoops.com

And yes, I know you. You just might counter with links from "Billy Bubba likes car-cars.com"

EDIT - Oops!

 

[Endymio]

And yes, I know you. You just might counter with links from "Billy Bubba likes car-cars.com"

I quoted the recognized leader in the field: Consumer Reports, which rates Tesla (and Nissan) the most reliable of all EVs. You quoted your office buddies, and a link from the hitherto-unknown "topspeed.com" -- a site which actually disagrees with you. It classes Tesla's Model 3 (by far its most popular model) as "average ", even compared to more-reliable gas vehicles, and notes that Tesla's build issues stem from the 2017 to 2019 model year Tesla S and Y --- data from five to seven years ago. Neither of your other two links support your claim either: "businesssinsider" notes an unofficial ranking from JD Power, which, while low, is higher than their same score from 2021 or 2020 (where they ranked dead last), and as for the Youtube video from a buyer ranting about his Plaid S -- that speaks for itself.

There is no reliable data that Tesla's are "getting more unreliable' Stop spreading disinformation.

 

[scavengerspc]

I quoted the recognized leader in the field: Consumer Reports, which rates Tesla (and Nissan) the most reliable of all EVs. You quoted your office buddies, and a link from the hitherto-unknown "topspeed.com" -- a site which actually disagrees with you. It classes Tesla's Model 3 (by far its most popular model) as "average ", even compared to more-reliable gas vehicles, and notes that Tesla's build issues stem from the 2017 to 2019 model year Tesla S and Y --- data from five to seven years ago. Neither of your other two links support your claim either: "businesssinsider" notes an unofficial ranking from JD Power, which, while low, is higher than their same score from 2021 or 2020 (where they ranked dead last), and as for the Youtube video from a buyer ranting about his Plaid S -- that speaks for itself.

There is no reliable data that Tesla's are "getting more unreliable' Stop spreading disinformation.

From the king of dis-information?

This is from CR, in the link I posted, on the 2023 model:

"We expect the 2023 Model Y will be less reliable than the average new car. This prediction is based on data from 2020, 2021 and 2022 models."

Early to mid-years, Tesla's had quite good reliability and build quality ratings.
In truth, Tesla gets a boost in the ratings every year because of its motor and battery.
But that is true of almost all EVs.

A 2014 Model S 85 that was owned by an employee and gave to his daughter in 2017 now has 140,000 miles and the battery still has 82% capacity. Gets about 215 miles from 90 to 20%. She is going to have a few individual cells replaced to give that a boost.

 

[Endymio]

From the king of dis-information?

This is from CR, in the link I posted, on the 2023 model:

This has gone far enough. EVs in general are less reliable than gas-powered vehicles. This is simple fact -- due simply to the fact that EV models tend to be newer, and thus have fewer engineering kinks worked out. But Teslas are -- according to CR -- the most reliable of all EVs, and (as posted above) rated substantially higher than gas-powered brands such as Jeep, Lincoln, and even Mercedes Benz.

But neither this nor **any** link you've posted supports your original claim, that "Teslas are becoming less reliable." Dance around that all you wish, but you're still spreading disinfomation. I don't like Teslas, and I'm not a fan of EVs in general. But I am a fan of the truth.

"...The Tesla Model 3 is now the second most reliable new electric vehicle you can buy. Only the new-for-2022 Kia EV6 is more trouble-free, but we don’t know whether it will match the proven record of the Model 3 as it ages. Data from over a thousand Tesla Model 3 owners tell us that every model year going back to 2018 has either average or better reliability....."

 

[mailpup]

Endymio and scavengerspc, time to take you personal argument to PM. Thanks.