Boxes of RTX 3080 Ti 12GB GPUs have been photographed on their way to LA

Austinturner

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In the recent past series the —80ti was much more powerful than the —80 model. If it has to fit between the 3080 and 3090 it just can’t be much more powerful right? I can’t see this being a compelling purchase...
 

umbala

Posts: 355   +477
Not yet available, but already as good as gone. Miners and scalpers are the target demographic for these cards and nvidia wouldn't have it any other way.
This is nonsense. It is in fact nVidia's best interest to avoid those entities which create bad publicity for them, such as scalpers and miners. nVidia gets the same amount of money no matter who gets the cards, so why would they create bad PR for themselves by not having it "any other way" as you put it?
 

Dimitriid

Posts: 562   +964
Great point about binning, except for the fact that the lowest tier in that list, the 3080, is just as limited in supply as the 3090. If the 3080 was the new model you'd have a point about them using defective dies for additional products, but this chip's introductionwould require chips that are not quite 3090s but also too good for 3080s, meaning without the 3080ti these chips would have become 3080s.

Every die that becomes a 3080ti is a chip that doesnt become a 3080. It isnt adding additional chips into the supply chain that would otherwise be thrown out, and therefore isnt goign to help the supply issue at all.

I did consider this on my post though: Even if the 3080 ti is the best possible yield for that chip and doesn't shares it with 3090, that doesn't means that failed 3080ti cannot become 3070ti a few months down the road.

So Nvidia wants something that's even more powerful than the 3080/3090 so this is a new SKU/Chip that's released first and then later on 3070tis and such.

Ultimately though, the point is that they possibly improved their process overall and want to go with this new Ti chips from now on. The old process might or might not be phased out depending on how many changes and a lot of other things but ultimately we know they're always refining their process and that's why they're always releasing new SKUs.

Also there's just marketing: ultimately even if they could just call the new, improved process "3080" or "3090" the fact that there's probably minute, but measurable differences between the 3090 and this new 3080ti means that well, press will report an do stories and generate an entire new cycle of marketing for them even if the card improvements are mostly not tangible at all whatsoever, there's going to be articles and videos discussing things.

Their strategy seems to be "Ok no gamers can buy this, but the gaming press has to report on *something* anyway so let's just stay within the gaming zeitgeist in case Ethereum crashes"
 

duckofdeath

Posts: 375   +481
What's wrong with this picture? Is this the amount these "largest" chip manufacturers can produce in three months? A few boxes barely filling a pallet?
 

Theinsanegamer

Posts: 2,452   +3,610
I did consider this on my post though: Even if the 3080 ti is the best possible yield for that chip and doesn't shares it with 3090, that doesn't means that failed 3080ti cannot become 3070ti a few months down the road.

So Nvidia wants something that's even more powerful than the 3080/3090 so this is a new SKU/Chip that's released first and then later on 3070tis and such.
The 3080ti uses the same die as the 3090. The 3090 is the best possible yield for that chip,, 3080ti would be second best, 3080 would be third best. They are all GA-102.

The 3070ti has A) not been confirmed yet, so any of these dies ending up as the 3070ti is pure baseless speculation B) why would nvidia be using failed 3080tis as 3070tis when the 3080 is more expensive? It would make sense if failed 3080 dies were used, but not failed 3080ti, and C) every tease of the 3070ti shows a 16GB card and suggests the card will be on a GA104 die, not GA102, so the 3080ti could not be used as a 3070ti.

Ultimately though, the point is that they possibly improved their process overall and want to go with this new Ti chips from now on. The old process might or might not be phased out depending on how many changes and a lot of other things but ultimately we know they're always refining their process and that's why they're always releasing new SKUs.

Also there's just marketing: ultimately even if they could just call the new, improved process "3080" or "3090" the fact that there's probably minute, but measurable differences between the 3090 and this new 3080ti means that well, press will report an do stories and generate an entire new cycle of marketing for them even if the card improvements are mostly not tangible at all whatsoever, there's going to be articles and videos discussing things.
I....just...what? I'm sorry, but what on earth is this rambling, and what is your point? Process improvements do not equate new products. Every single GPU and CPU generation features higher quality silicon on later chips due to minute process improvements, its been a subject of discussion for decades, whether later phenom IIs OCed any better then earlier ones I remember reading a decade ago. Hell there were GPUs made on entirely different processes, like the 9800GT having both 65 and 55nm versions. Nvidia isnt going to launch an entirely different GPU because of a minute process improvement.

Nvidia has not stated that they are using a different process or are replacing the 3080 or 3090 with the 3080ti. That entire argument has been pulled from an arse. Same with minute process improvements justifying a different chip design (which this isnt, its just a different GA102 bin that is closer to a 3090).

Also, I feel I have to add this, if nvidia DID have some newer process that was slightly better, why are they leading it with a 3080ti instead of the much more expensive 3090? It doesnt make financial sense to start with the second highest instead of the highest card.

Their strategy seems to be "Ok no gamers can buy this, but the gaming press has to report on *something* anyway so let's just stay within the gaming zeitgeist in case Ethereum crashes"
Agreed that is the only reason modern GPUs are SKU'd to death, just to keep them in headlines. The 3080ti will not be meaningfully different from the 3080 given both the 3080 and 3090 hit power limits and have little difference IRL unless you are overclocking or watercooling.
 
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paul1122

Posts: 102   +75
Right?

Like it so easy to tell who has actually gotten a card properly and those who have not gotten one at all or got screwed to get it.

You can be all salty you like please don't even attempt to get... You obviously "proven" its impossible... Meanwhile I'll be trying to get my hands on one so I can sell for my day 1 3080 to easily pay for it.

A card that cost me $699 of the $1050 I got from selling my 2080ti the weeks before.

The high end game requires lots of work and planning but if you're doing it right it's easily affordable if not profitable.

And no before you even begin...

No bots used no scalping after no paying anything but what the cards were set to cost msrp + tax + ship.

I knew what was coming and planned accordingly.

And for that last guy saying it was a fluke.

I'd introduce you to the 11 other 3080 / 3090 receipts in my email (from September to December last year).

All my real life friends and family who wanted cards and realized what a s*it show it was knew who to turn to.

9 went to them and I upgraded my personal 3080 (from Asus tuf day 1 to evga xc3 to ftw3 ultra)

I got each and every one with nothing but my browser saved checkout data and good notifications ( both others running them and even some personal web refresh extension on my pc and phone)

So yes PLEASE assume it's impossible because I KNOW I've got to deal with the bots and scalpers and it be great if I didn't ALSO have to deal with you.

I hear ya. I bought 46 3080's and 1 3090 for LESS than retail because I did EVEN BETTER than you. LOL
 

neeyik

Posts: 1,877   +2,191
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The 3080ti uses the same die as the 3090. The 3090 is the best possible yield for that chip,, 3080ti would be second best, 3080 would be third best. They are all GA-102.
The 'best possible' honour would go to the A6000, as it's using the highest clocked, fully functioning chips. The full breakdown of SKUs for the GA102 is as follows:

A6000 = 84 SMs, 12 MCs, 1.445/1.86 GHz
A40 = 84 SMs, 12 MCs, 1.305/1.755 GHz
RTX 3090 = 82 SMs, 12 MCs, 1.395/1.695 GHz
A10 = 72 SMs, 12 MCs, 0.885 GHz/1.695 GHz
RTX 3080 = 68 SMs, 10 MCs, 1.44/1.71 GHz
A5000 = 64 SMs, 12 MCs, 1.17/1.695 GHz

So an 80 SM, 12 MC 1.365/1.665 GHz chip (as rumoured for the 3080 Ti) would only really be suitable for the A10 and A5000 - if the clocks are genuine. They're a little down from those of an RTX 3080 (the base clock is 5% short and the boost 1%) and while they could be made up by a very mild overclock, it doesn't leave much headroom for 3rd party vendors to offer higher clock models.