Bring back xp

oldtech

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Xp was the best and last os that m$ released for several reasons not the least of which is the ability to do a repair install. in general anything that breaks constantly and cant be fixed is a POS
 

Kshipper

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I liked XP and I was running an IT business supporting people with it. Ity was more work to install then modern image-based installs like Windows 10. The other bad thing about XP was that it easy to corrupt. Programs in XP were easily corrupted in memory so the bad guys were having a field day with it. It's sad to say that XP was the swiss cheese of operating systems.

Microsoft had no choice but to completely rethink a new direction and Vista was born. The rollout of that one was such a disaster. It required a powerful machine to run and the new security model prevented all kinds of software from working (like graphics cards and printers). I was recommending people keep the XP going at that time.

It wasn't until Vista was re-written properly and re-released as Windows 7 that we get a better OS than XP. By the time Windows 8/8.1 tried and failed to replace Windows 7 that Microsoft worked their magic and came out with Windows 10 which has been pretty good. I don't think we need a version 11 but it's here anyways.
 

oldtech

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I liked XP and I was running an IT business supporting people with it. Ity was more work to install then modern image-based installs like Windows 10. The other bad thing about XP was that it easy to corrupt. Programs in XP were easily corrupted in memory so the bad guys were having a field day with it. It's sad to say that XP was the swiss cheese of operating systems.

Microsoft had no choice but to completely rethink a new direction and Vista was born. The rollout of that one was such a disaster. It required a powerful machine to run and the new security model prevented all kinds of software from working (like graphics cards and printers). I was recommending people keep the XP going at that time.

It wasn't until Vista was re-written properly and re-released as Windows 7 that we get a better OS than XP. By the time Windows 8/8.1 tried and failed to replace Windows 7 that Microsoft worked their magic and came out with Windows 10 which has been pretty good. I don't think we need a version 11 but it's here anyways.
I liked XP and I was running an IT business supporting people with it. Ity was more work to install then modern image-based installs like Windows 10. The other bad thing about XP was that it easy to corrupt. Programs in XP were easily corrupted in memory so the bad guys were having a field day with it. It's sad to say that XP was the swiss cheese of operating systems.

Microsoft had no choice but to completely rethink a new direction and Vista was born. The rollout of that one was such a disaster. It required a powerful machine to run and the new security model prevented all kinds of software from working (like graphics cards and printers). I was recommending people keep the XP going at that time.

It wasn't until Vista was re-written properly and re-released as Windows 7 that we get a better OS than XP. By the time Windows 8/8.1 tried and failed to replace Windows 7 that Microsoft worked their magic and came out with Windows 10 which has been pretty good. I don't think we need a version 11 but it's here anyways.
I liked XP and I was running an IT business supporting people with it. Ity was more work to install then modern image-based installs like Windows 10. The other bad thing about XP was that it easy to corrupt. Programs in XP were easily corrupted in memory so the bad guys were having a field day with it. It's sad to say that XP was the swiss cheese of operating systems.

Microsoft had no choice but to completely rethink a new direction and Vista was born. The rollout of that one was such a disaster. It required a powerful machine to run and the new security model prevented all kinds of software from working (like graphics cards and printers). I was recommending people keep the XP going at that time.

It wasn't until Vista was re-written properly and re-released as Windows 7 that we get a better OS than XP. By the time Windows 8/8.1 tried and failed to replace Windows 7 that Microsoft worked their magic and came out with Windows 10 which has been pretty good. I don't think we need a version 11 but it's here anyways.
not sure where you were working but anyone who says that windows 10 is either easier to install or support than xp was not and is not now working where I was working or am working now. as I stated before, xp could be fixed by doing a repair install if it got corrupt and did not thrash itself to death updating etc. REGARDS
 

Mark Fuller

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One thing that I find that makes W10 superior I think is in the recovery console where you can boot directly to the command prompt and transfer files to an external storage like a flash drive and save the files before you reinstall or repair the os. If the os was beyond repairing in xp you couldn't do that. You could boot into safe mode with command prompt in xp however, if the os was not to corrupt,
 

bazz2004

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Not encouraging that a tech forum has so many backward looking posts. Things are what they are. W11 has made much functioning hardware effectively obsolete. XP, while I love it, has no place in mainstream discussions and W11 should be the main focus. There's a current thread about which was the best Windows OS.
 

oldtech

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One thing that I find that makes W10 superior I think is in the recovery console where you can boot directly to the command prompt and transfer files to an external storage like a flash drive and save the files before you reinstall or repair the os. If the os was beyond repairing in xp you couldn't do that. You could boot into safe mode with command prompt in xp however, if the os was not to corrupt,
One thing that I find that makes W10 superior I think is in the recovery console where you can boot directly to the command prompt and transfer files to an external storage like a flash drive and save the files before you reinstall or repair the os. If the os was beyond repairing in xp you couldn't do that. You could boot into safe mode with command prompt in xp however, if the os was not to corrupt,
One thing that I find that makes W10 superior I think is in the recovery console where you can boot directly to the command prompt and transfer files to an external storage like a flash drive and save the files before you reinstall or repair the os. If the os was beyond repairing in xp you couldn't do that. You could boot into safe mode with command prompt in xp however, if the os was not to corrupt,
One thing that I find that makes W10 superior I think is in the recovery console where you can boot directly to the command prompt and transfer files to an external storage like a flash drive and save the files before you reinstall or repair the os. If the os was beyond repairing in xp you couldn't do that. You could boot into safe mode with command prompt in xp however, if the os was not to corrupt,
One thing that I find that makes W10 superior I think is in the recovery console where you can boot directly to the command prompt and transfer files to an external storage like a flash drive and save the files before you reinstall or repair the os. If the os was beyond repairing in xp you couldn't do that. You could boot into safe mode with command prompt in xp however, if the os was not to corrupt,
One thing that I find that makes W10 superior I think is in the recovery console where you can boot directly to the command prompt and transfer files to an external storage like a flash drive and save the files before you reinstall or repair the os. If the os was beyond repairing in xp you couldn't do that. You could boot into safe mode with command prompt in xp however, if the os was not to corrupt,
One thing that I find that makes W10 superior I think is in the recovery console where you can boot directly to the command prompt and transfer files to an external storage like a flash drive and save the files before you reinstall or repair the os. If the os was beyond repairing in xp you couldn't do that. You could boot into safe mode with command prompt in xp however, if the os was not to corrupt,
One thing that I find that makes W10 superior I think is in the recovery console where you can boot directly to the command prompt and transfer files to an external storage like a flash drive and save the files before you reinstall or repair the os. If the os was beyond repairing in xp you couldn't do that. You could boot into safe mode with command prompt in xp however, if the os was not to corrupt,
One thing that I find that makes W10 superior I think is in the recovery console where you can boot directly to the command prompt and transfer files to an external storage like a flash drive and save the files before you reinstall or repair the os. If the os was beyond repairing in xp you couldn't do that. You could boot into safe mode with command prompt in xp however, if the os was not to corrupt,
well xp had a recovery console also but it rarely had to be used. no need to copy files and then re-install etc. which takes TIME !!. thats the difference if I billed customers all the time I have spent fixing w10 they would all be using macs !! who would pay 500 for a computer and then 1000 to fix it ?
being able to do a repair install of xp without having to re-install software was huge and is long gone. w10 has startup repair which rarely works and. still has system restore which in w10 ive seen take over an hour. I WILL say that w10 is getting better than it was in the beginning. I remember that at best buy for example alll they did all day was re-install w10. I finally updated my laptop to w10 from 7 actlually the most stablle of all desktop os's from m$ was NT 4.0 workstation and then 2000 PRO .
 

Mark Fuller

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I disagree, windows 10 does have a repair function you can do without losing files just like a repair of wxp, what they called a dirty install. Also, I was a technician for Dell Technical support during the heyday of wxp, and I had many customers who lost files because the os was so corrupt it could not be repaired. One of the main reasons for this was the plethora of viruses and malware written for xp because it was king for the longest period of time and they still exist. I don't know of w10 system restore taking longer than xp. I go by the philosophy of if it ain't broke don't fix it but I'll wait for the jury to come in on w11, meanwhile it's like Bass2004 says, it's time to move on.
 

oldtech

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I disagree, windows 10 does have a repair function you can do without losing files just like a repair of wxp, what they called a dirty install. Also, I was a technician for Dell Technical support during the heyday of wxp, and I had many customers who lost files because the os was so corrupt it could not be repaired. One of the main reasons for this was the plethora of viruses and malware written for xp because it was king for the longest period of time and they still exist. I don't know of w10 system restore taking longer than xp. I go by the philosophy of if it ain't broke don't fix it but I'll wait for the jury to come in on w11, meanwhile it's like Bass2004 says, it's time to move on.
no it does not have a repair install where it re-installs os fies like xp did. in fact none of m& releases after xp had it. reset this pc is data destructive. you end up with a windows.old foler which has all the files in it but still have to re-install any software. after you give up on it and re-install w10. takes a lot of time.the only other os that m$ made that had it was server 2003. what you did was tell it to install windows and then when it came up with the list of what it found on the hd you pressed R to do a repair install. w10 does not have this nor do any of the others. as for reset your pc. I have never seen the non-destructive reset work and I dont think it does the same thing.
 
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Mark Fuller

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It is true that your have to reinstall apps, but either cloud storage or external backups make that easy enough.
 

oldtech

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Time is the difference. I used to ba able to do a repair install of xp in about 20 minutes. this new windows 11 may be the end of m$'s reign over the desktop
the hardware requirements (as if they have a stake in it other than the surface)
etc. there were those (at m$ ) who said that about w10 but now w11. if they enforce this hardware requirement then w11 is defintately a candidate for their endgame. a long time ago it was determined that he who had the spreadsheet and the word processor would rule the desktop. back then it was wordstar and lotus123. now it's word and excel but open office running on linux or some other player running on mac could do it.
 

bazz2004

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You can still use XP so I'm not sure what the fuss is all about. If you are not bothered about security it works great. For those finding Windows updates a pain then it's what you are looking for - there aren't any. My ancient Medion 8383 is very fast and if I put an SSD drive in (which is unlikely to happen) it would do even better.
 

oldtech

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You can still use XP so I'm not sure what the fuss is all about. If you are not bothered about security it works great. For those finding Windows updates a pain then it's what you are looking for - there aren't any. My ancient Medion 8383 is very fast and if I put an SSD drive in (which is unlikely to happen) it would do even better.
I have customers who are using point of sale apps that are still running xp. I have had to clone and replace hd and finally to ssd. there are several reasons that xp still works well not the least of which is the text-only printer driver that m$ changed after xp. on the 40 column receipt printer, the new drivers (after xp) simply dont work. the security isnt an issue since the cash register computers and file server are not (and will not be) connected to the internet.
 

Mark Fuller

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If it's strictly business and not connected to the internet it's no problem, but if you are dependent on the internet to do research for tech support like I am doing right now it's a problem.