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"Cam" movie pirate issued record 5-year prison sentence

By Rick ¬∑ 33 replies
Jan 4, 2013
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  1. Four members of prolific illegal file sharing group iMAGiNE have been ordered to serve prison terms after pleading guilty to conspiracy to commit copyright infringement. The group's leader Jeramiah Perkins, 40, managed to receive the longest sentence ever handed to a...

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  2. fimbles

    fimbles TS Evangelist Posts: 1,171   +203

    The chronicles of narnia the votdt: Budget 140-155 million - World sales 415 million

    Captain America: The First Avenger: Budget 140 million - World sales 368.6 million

    Little fockers : Budget 100 million - World sales 310 million

    Avatar ( even I was shocked.....) Budget 246 million World sales : 2 Billion 782 million

    As far as I can tell these are box office nubers only, and do not include merchandise ect.

    Such a shame that the movie companys hands are so far up the politicians jacksies, that a fitting sentence was not given for what is obviously a victimless "crime".
    avoidz and m4a4 like this.
  3. m4a4

    m4a4 TS Evangelist Posts: 887   +437

    They have never been able to prove that pirating does significant damage (or much at all) and yet they treat it like physically stealing copies? Man, things are getting ridiculous.....
    avoidz likes this.
  4. RzmmDX

    RzmmDX TS Guru Posts: 313   +67

    This is a conspiracy? Dafaq? Is it raining irony today?

    Do we really need to waste tax money imprisoning these people?
    Darth Shiv likes this.
  5. MilwaukeeMike

    MilwaukeeMike TS Evangelist Posts: 2,837   +1,180

    These are the same facts that make them care so much. If these movies can make that much money that fast, think of how much more money they would have made if no one pirated it?

    The law isn't different if the people you steal from have tons of money. Pirating stops the reduces the money the content owners make, so it doesn't feel like stealing because the perpetrator doesn't get the cash, but to the victim is feels the same regardless.

    And yes, they feel like a victim, or they wouldn't spend the time and money prosecuting.

    Don't get be wrong, I think it's stupid to put people like this guy in prison. He'll probably be out long before his term is up, but they're not going to change the law on this anytime soon. If anything, it's only going to get tougher.
  6. cliffordcooley

    cliffordcooley TS Guardian Fighter Posts: 9,161   +3,259

    I for one would be less likely to buy a movie before I watch it than I would after I watch it. And never trust the trailers you watch, they are usually fixed to be deceiving.
    TJGeezer and hammer2085 like this.
  7. MilwaukeeMike

    MilwaukeeMike TS Evangelist Posts: 2,837   +1,180

    They don't have to prove it... if a movie brings in $300 million then even 1 tenth of 1 percent would be $300,000. That's a LOT of money. The entire business of hedge funds using computerized trading is based on making fractions of a penny on every trade. Even if only 1 out of every 100 people who downloaded a pirated movie did it as an alternative to going to the theater the numbers would be significant.

    Think of it this way... they're not suing because they're angry, they're suing because they getting bent over financially. Look at the way patent trolls make money; they set the price for out of court settlement lower than the legal fees and people just pay up, no matter how stupid the lawsuit. And these movie studios can't even get money from the pirates! They watch their movies get pirated AND have to pay the legal fees without ever getting any money in return, even when they win. Considering that evidence, I've gotta believe pirating hurts them, or they wouldn't go through all the trouble.
  8. m4a4

    m4a4 TS Evangelist Posts: 887   +437

    That's assuming that all those people would ever legitimately pay to see the movie. Which they probably would not, meaning that they would never see most of that money in the first place. But 1 out of every 100 people is too big an exaggeration. They would have to botch something big to piss people off that much...

    And if you're bringing in hundreds of millions (in the theaters alone), $300,000 would look like pocket change... :p
  9. cliffordcooley

    cliffordcooley TS Guardian Fighter Posts: 9,161   +3,259

    I guess the biggest concept here is that every penny counts. So they are spending dollars to try and protect their pennies.
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  10. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 12,494   +2,293

    Incorrect, to the best of my knowledge. A conviction at the federal level, requires the a minimum of 85% of the full sentence be served.

    Besides, you could conceivably do 5 years on the conspiracy charge alone. The charge can sometimes pull more time the the crime itself. It's a way the government can enhance the sentence, just tack on conspiracy.

    You do have money changing hands here, at least according to the article. In copyrighted works as in drugs, the dealer always pulls more time than the junkie.
    Pan Wah likes this.
  11. Darth Shiv

    Darth Shiv TS Evangelist Posts: 1,761   +435

    You get close to this amount of time for rape. Where is the justice in that?
  12. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 12,494   +2,293

    Rape is a state crime, so Federal sentencing guidelines don't apply. I would suggest not raping your friendly neighborhood female mail delivery person during the course of her duties (*). I guarantee you'll get a whole lot more than 5 years for that.

    You can do life if you have enough reefer under the federal system. In general though, the conditions in prison are way better than those at state or county level. Hence the old joke, "Club Fed".

    (*) Or even the "mailman", depending of course, on your persuasion.
  13. ikesmasher

    ikesmasher TS Evangelist Posts: 2,860   +1,182

    Maybe a fifth plus the total price with piracy. Doesnt matter though, when a movie gets hundreds of millions of dollars in profits all your doing is making the rich richer. In the end south park put it well. Maybe if people cared more about the music they were producing or the movie they were creating who really cares about piracy? Also, "Here's Britney Spears' private jet. Notice anything? Britney used to have a Gulfstream IV. Now she's had to sell it and get a Gulfstream III because people like you chose to download her music for free. The Gulfstream III doesn't even have a remote control for its surround-sound DVD system. Still think downloading music for free is no big deal?"
  14. St1ckM4n

    St1ckM4n TS Evangelist Posts: 2,920   +629

    What are you all surprised about? Everyone knows piracy will continue. Everyone knows news articles like this do not deter people.

    But, it has to be done to show 'the people' that it is wrong. If nothing was done at all, the piracy rates would skyrocket.
  15. In my country they shoot pirates.
  16. cliffordcooley

    cliffordcooley TS Guardian Fighter Posts: 9,161   +3,259

    Your country must not have a government, because thats all a government is.
  17. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 12,494   +2,293

    Except if you're from Somalia, then the U.S.Navy has to come over and shoot them for you.
  18. Next thing I will get the death penalty for letting my friend borrow one of my DVD movies. Borrowing and coping a movie are the same. As long as they watch the same movie at a different time than when I'm watching it. There is no difference. All the MPAA and RIAA want is for everyone to have a per person license to watch or listen to their products. If 4 people want to watch the DVD movie I just purchased I would have to buy the same movie 3 more times. Also I say their DVD because even after you hand over your hard earned money (their don't understand the meaning of the word hard work) you still don't own it. At any time they can take away their product without and refund.

    So should a car manufacturer get paid by a how many people sit in their cars? Or if the car is going to be used for a business? What happens when the owner wants to sell their car. Should the manufacturer get a cut of the money the owner got for selling it? Or should the owner be jailed for wanting to sell his car when the buyer should have purchased a new car instead? Remember the car manufacturer has to make each and every car. They don't have the luxury of what the movie and record studios have..... hmmm I think I'll order 1000 copies of that song...... CTRL + C & CTRL + V. If you are in it for the money then I don't want to listen, read or watch your product. Music, writing and movie making is a art. If you get money from it, then good for you. But you should never go into a business model based on art and then cry about why you are not making money from it.

    To me a lost sale only means a lost sale if the Musician has to sing every song on every CD every time they make a CD. The Writers have to write every word on every page of every copy of the book they sold. The Movie Maker have to recapture every frame of the movie again for every copy of that movie seen or sold. Remember we are only purchasing the write to watch, listen to or read a copy of the original.

    The only reason the MPAA and RIAA are pissed is that people worked out how easy the MPAA and RIAA can make a copy. So there is really little work to be done.
  19. But if I HAD TO buy it I wouldn't buy it anyway.. so what's the diff??
  20. cliffordcooley

    cliffordcooley TS Guardian Fighter Posts: 9,161   +3,259

    Don't forget the original is not a copy and it does have production cost, before the copy process begins. In essence you are not paying for a copy, you are paying the bill on how much it cost to create the very first production.
  21. MilwaukeeMike

    MilwaukeeMike TS Evangelist Posts: 2,837   +1,180

    Think about that for a second... 'you're making the rich, richer.' Do you think the execs at the record companies are going to take a pay cut because music sales are down? Or do you think the artists who are selling only a few thousand records get the shaft because their contract says they get 20% of sales. You've heard the expression 'sh!t rolls downhill'? It works for econ as well as punishment.
    When an organization needs more money it gets sucked out of the organization from the bottom up. At the bottom are the customers, so the first thing that happens is prices go up, but that's not usually an option because customers will leave. So the next thing that'll happen is benefit cuts and hiring freezes on the cheap labor. (here's a real example: I have a good friend is a nurse's assistant in a hospital. She received a letter from the CEO last week stating that tuition reimbursement will be cancelled in 2014 because of the medicare cuts via Obamacare).

    You can go on believing you're stealing from the rich (which is still wrong), but the fact is, you're not stealing from the guy IN the gulfstream, you're stealing from the guy who shovels the snow off the runway.
  22. Tygerstrike

    Tygerstrike TS Enthusiast Posts: 827   +93

    What does it matter if someone was willing to pay for a movie in the box office. The fact is that they commited a crime, period. All the justification in the world does not change the fact that they willingly broke the Law. Lending a friend a DVD is simply transfering viewer rights. What they did was a complicated and very elaborate operation. This goes far and beyond simple downloading a movie or music. They had sound synchers and editors. Who cares if the rich get richer. It was thier money that funded the project to make them money. I swear, the level of stupid justification is almost as bad as the level of moral decay. Just because you CAN do something, doesnt mean you SHOULD!!! When you sit down and youre going to download something and you know it is illegal, ask yourself a simple question. How would your Grandmother look at you if she knew you were nothing more then a common thief.
  23. ikesmasher

    ikesmasher TS Evangelist Posts: 2,860   +1,182

    Valid point as it may be, it is also a argument for the stealing of media too, because in the end, why would people want to buy something if most of the purchase isnt going towards the artist?
  24. Tygerstrike

    Tygerstrike TS Enthusiast Posts: 827   +93

    Is it anyone elses business besides the ppl who are selling it where the money goes?
    They all sign a contract. The contracts themselves are put together by lawyers. Are ppl going to now start stealing from the lawyers that drafted the contracts for the execs and artists? Its all craptastic justification for common theft. We live in a society of Laws. By simply existing in the US you are bound by those laws. There is a price to pay when you break the law. Continuing to break a law doesnt make it go away. If you want change, get out there and fight to have media laws passed that allow for downloading w/o penalties. Continuing to do as the ppl in the article have done and keep stealing and its only going to get worse for the little guy. And thats you.
  25. ikesmasher

    ikesmasher TS Evangelist Posts: 2,860   +1,182

    Never said I stole anything :p
    Honestly spotify and netflix pretty much satisfy my needs.
    But if you wish to keep overspending on songs and albums to satisfy the greedy upper level management and raising their pay while the lower mans pay stays the same (its as people in this thread have been saying to me) then all means do so.

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