Can tech companies legally cancel service to hate groups?

Hate group = anyone who doesn't align with politically correct of Leftist culture or anyone who is pro-Trump. Who determines whom that is?

The way this article is written demonstrates that even the authors of this article follow the garbage PC culture. Let's dare not offend them.
 
Hate group = anyone who doesn't align with politically correct of Leftist culture or anyone who is pro-Trump. Who determines whom that is?

The way this article is written demonstrates that even the authors of this article follow the garbage PC culture. Let's dare not offend them.

If you read the article, you would know that calling yourself a hate group and chanting racial fodder like they did in VA last weekend makes you a hate group. That's nothing to do with leftist culture and everyone from the conservative republicans to the "leftist liberals" have decried their actions. The only ones that are fine with it are Trump, Trump supporters, and hate groups. You aren't having a peaceful protest when you bring guns, tear gas, and chant hate speech.
 
Dude, you're preaching to the choir.

Plus, I'm really disappointed with you, that you didn't pick up my post you're quoting as satire, pure and simple.

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I picked the satire up, but also saw a good opportunity to try and express where I really stand. I was honestly surprised that I haven't made the headlines with it yet. I was expecting to see it on the news as hate. :p
 
Apples and PCs. Once more, is it fair to classify all from a group extremist because a few in that group are?

Read the first half of my post.

Organizations like LULAC and the NAACP are what cause the scenario I describe in the first half of my earlier post ( substitute Indian with Hispanic or African American ). They may not be up front hateful like KKK, and Nazis can be, but they are part of the problem, they fuel the hate. Any organization that is in place to cater to a specific race, or hate other races is a racist organization and should be illegal. It doesn't matter if the members are violent or not, it's still racism, and wrong.
 
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I picked the satire up, but also saw a good opportunity to try and express where I really stand. I was honestly surprised that I haven't made the headlines with it yet. I was expecting to see it on the news as hate. :p
If Techspot got the same amount of clicks as CNN, trust me, both of our names would be up in lights....:eek::cool:
 
Of course companies can legally cancel service to hate groups. Since when does the first amendment apply to private individuals? What if I came to Techspot and started shouting the N-Word and calling for the extermination of certain ethnic groups? Would Techspot allow that? I seriously doubt it.
I would be curious to see how this software would handle it. vBulletin plasters "banned" right under the screen name. Dunno what Xenforo does. Maybe you would simply fade unnoticed into oblivion. You'd likely "suffer the slings and arrows" of an ignominious end to a noble cause, just keep telling yourself that. It would make it hurt longer, and possibly even seem like you'd done something meaningful.
 
It's not very hard unless you're just really dumb. Do all Muslim's spread hate and violence? The answer is no. Therfore they are not a hate group. Do all people involved in BLM spread hatred and violence? Again, of course not. Now what about a group that is specifically about racism and the extermination of inferior races? Are all Nazis bad? Hell yes they are. See how easy this is? Try using your brain once in a while.
I disagree. I have yet to hear one BLM supporter condemn “pigs in a blanket, fry em like bacon” But you haven't answered the question I posed. And you can't. Who decides? You? You are a hate group "Try using your brain once in a while" That's hate speech...Why? Because I think it is.
 
I don't understand how some people put Nazis and the NAACP on the same level. It astounds me. Anywhos...yeah, these private organizations can ban what they want. Free speech doesn't apply here, and I'm not sure why or how so many people think the first amendment applies to any of these private organizations at all. It simply prohibits the STATE from curbing or punishing what you say (no prosecution under the law to limit your speech). It doesn't apply to private entities. All of these companies have NO legal standing to be forced to give all of their users free reign to say what they want. I can say I hate tomatoes...and hopefully Techspot won't ban me (please don't guys! I love tomatoes!). But they could if they wanted...because they aren't the state, and I participate in this site at their allowance.
 
I don't understand how some people put Nazis and the NAACP on the same level. It astounds me. Anywhos...yeah, these private organizations can ban what they want. Free speech doesn't apply here, and I'm not sure why or how so many people think the first amendment applies to any of these private organizations at all. It simply prohibits the STATE from curbing or punishing what you say (no prosecution under the law to limit your speech). It doesn't apply to private entities. All of these companies have NO legal standing to be forced to give all of their users free reign to say what they want. I can say I hate tomatoes...and hopefully Techspot won't ban me (please don't guys! I love tomatoes!). But they could if they wanted...because they aren't the state, and I participate in this site at their allowance.

Nazis ( White is supreme )
NAACP ( Black is supreme )

Both racist

You think its ok when a company will hire a person who is less qualified for a job because they are not white? You think its ok when a white person tries hard, but for the sake of " equal rights " cant get ahead because companies hire minorities so they don't look racist ( this is a racist act BTW ) ? That is what the NAACP fights for, they go about it in a different way, but they are just as guilty as any other organization favoring a race.
 
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We all need to be tolerant of each others' speech, and this isn't happening. I recoil from the Daily Stormer, and would not follow a link to the site under any circumstances, but a civilized society allows the expression of differing viewpoints without repression, and if you encounter speech that you disagree with you oppose it with your own speech. If the truth be told, these Internet companies that ban hate speech sites are doing so out of fear of being boycotted, and everyone is terrified of being labeled a 'racist', a term that is so nebulous that it's meaningless.

One of the big issues of the day is "net neutrality". That does not apply just to ISPs. There are other gatekeepers to the Internet, among them the domain name companies, and we must not allow these companies to have selective power, because then everybody is in danger. The winds could change at any moment, not to mention that there's prior history of powerful companies getting their disparagers effectively removed from online presence.

The counterprotesters in Charlottesville, whose philosophies of equality and respect for all the ethnicities of the human race I passionately agree with, gathered there with the intent of repressing the right-wingers' freedom of speech, and to do so with violence. They therefore deserve some of the blame for what transpired there, even though the bulk of the crime, the attack with car, falls squarely upon the neo-Nazis. But, to remind you of the obvious, the whole disaster wouldn't have happened if the right-wingers had just been allowed to carry out their futile demonstration ignored and unimpeded. Do not try to silence these people -- you will only make them move underground and become more dangerous.
 
Nazis ( White is supreme )
NAACP ( Black is supreme )

Both racist

You think its ok when a company will hire a person who is less qualified for a job because they are not white? You think its ok when a white person tries hard, but for the sake of " equal rights " cant get ahead because companies hire minorities so they don't look racist ( this is a racist act BTW ) ? That is what the NAACP fights for, they go about it in a different way, but they are just as guilty as any other organization favoring a race.

Nope. I don't think any of those things. Thanks for asking my opinion. Also...if you think the NAACP is the "black" version of Nazis...I can't help you out man. I don't have the time to address the issues that you've experienced that would make you think they are analogues for differing races. But I'd state to you that they are SO different you can't logically make the claim they hold ideologies that are similar, but for different skin tones. Black people in America have differing issues stemming from a long history of persecution and institutional set backs that have real life ramifications. The ideals of the Nazi party are so different from the ideals of the NAACP that to compare them is, if it wasn't so sad, laughable.

I'm not saying I agree with anything the NAACP does or says, so please don't think of me as an apologist for any "side." What I am trying to claim, if it's not clear, is that those 2 groups are analogous just as the LA Lakers are analogous to a grade school's classroom. They are both groups of people...but they have vastly differing purposes to gather as a group, and have vastly different goals as a group. These 2 groups are not different sides of a coin. They are groups of people, but to what end do you compare those 2 groups? They are not the same at all. I'm sure your' experiences differ from mine and thus we have differing opinions. What I wonder is how you equate these 2. Is it because, for the most part, these groups have different melanin levels in their skin?
 
Read the first half of my post.

Organizations like LULAC and the NAACP are what cause the scenario I describe in the first half of my earlier post ( substitute Indian with Hispanic or African American ). They may not be up front hateful like KKK, and Nazis can be, but they are part of the problem, they fuel the hate. Any organization that is in place to cater to a specific race, or hate other races is a racist organization and should be illegal. It doesn't matter if the members are violent or not, it's still racism, and wrong.
I read your post, and I think there is a misunderstanding of what the NAACP does. You and I will have to agree to disagree.

Those groups do not go around bashing other people's heads in, they do not burn crosses on the lawns of white people, they do not show up brandishing arms at demonstrations.

They do, however, step in when the rights of people who have no other recourse have been infringed upon, and it is the infringement on those rights that is WRONG.

There is a vast difference between groups like LULAC and NAACP. They operate within the bounds of law and remain civil.

The same cannot be said of hate groups that resort to terror and bullying to get what they want.
 
We all need to be tolerant of each others' speech, and this isn't happening. I recoil from the Daily Stormer, and would not follow a link to the site under any circumstances, but a civilized society allows the expression of differing viewpoints without repression, and if you encounter speech that you disagree with you oppose it with your own speech. If the truth be told, these Internet companies that ban hate speech sites are doing so out of fear of being boycotted, and everyone is terrified of being labeled a 'racist', a term that is so nebulous that it's meaningless.
Please see this link - http://constitution.laws.com/the-supreme-court/speech

Speech may be suppressed if there is a reasonable basis to assume that that speech will lead to violence.
 
Oh gosh, I was having a fun Saturday night, alone, feeding my cats, and watching our society disintegrate from a safe distance, when what to my poor wondering eyes should appear, but another salvo of your naive, misinformed, sanctimonious blather.
I read your post, and I think there is a misunderstanding of what the NAACP does. You and I will have to agree to disagree.
However, count me in as someone who has no intentions of 'agreeing to disagree', with you, and as someone who actually does know what the NAACP is about.

The NAACP is the 'make white people feel terribly guilty over slavery' propaganda and legal arm of the civil rights movement. And quite a successful voice at that. The truth is, as long as the NAACP exists, black people will never achieve 'equality', because the NAACP will always be able to conjure up another fictitious inequality, to rub the white public's nose in. This is something it must do, to continue to justify its own existence.

As a prime example, in the days of slavery black people were referred to as, "expletive deleted'. So, that was dialed back to 'colored'. But then, people of color found that offensive, 'because it still reminded them of the antebellum south, and segregation'. So now, here we are in the age of Caucasian people being forced to refer to them as, 'African Americans'. Should a white person of any authority deviate from that protocol, he or she runs the risk of public humiliation, being branded a 'racist, and of a more substantial punishment, loss of career.

Yet, "the "N" word" spews ceaselessly out of every loudspeaker in the "ghetto", which if I may be so bold as to point out, you're paying for. Yet white people sit idly by to the racist tomes, all the while being too stupid to realize, it's not 'an innocent expression of culture', but rather a never ending mocking and indictment of days long past. If 'people of color' wanted 'true equality', they would censure their own kind, and delete that pejorative term from their own vocabulary as well.

Those groups do not go around bashing other people's heads in, they do not burn crosses on the lawns of white people, they do not show up brandishing arms at demonstrations.
Oh but they do, by extension. Police officers have been literally 'hunted', at, 'black lives matter events' . But organizations like the NAACP have been responsible for whipping the less stable, and more violent members of their group into the frenzy which caused the killings. Then they go into 'damage control mode', and throw those violent actors to the wolves, or if you prefer 'under the bus', the more contemporary colloquial term for, (as they say in Mission Impossible), "if any of you are caught or captured, we will disavow any knowledge of your existence".

They do, however, step in when the rights of people who have no other recourse have been infringed upon, and it is the infringement on those rights that is WRONG.
Yes, and they make damned certain they have a national audience when they do it. I tend to remember individuals like, "the reverend" Al Sharpton, who spew non stop hate in the name of racial equality, while hiding behind a cross. It's just that Sharpton never set that cross on fire, which seems to sanitize, (at least to your apparent satisfaction), his vitriolic, vengeful outbursts. You sadly, seem to have swallowed the hype and deceit, hook, line and sinker

There is a vast difference between groups like LULAC and NAACP. They operate within the bounds of law and remain civil.
Well, 'the pen is mightier than the sword' or so they say. While I say, 'sometimes fools read on, without knowing when to put down the book'.

The same cannot be said of hate groups that resort to terror and bullying to get what they want.
I covered that earlier.

As an example, the Saudis fund "Madras schools" which teach hate of the US and its values, yet they deny their existence when it comes time for the US to supply them with a couple dozen or so, F-16's.

So, now you know what, "Cranky is mad about today". Please feel free to post back if you'd like to hear more...
 
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Please see this link - http://constitution.laws.com/the-supreme-court/speech

Speech may be suppressed if there is a reasonable basis to assume that that speech will lead to violence.
The right-wingers were granted a permit to rally, so the judgment was made that the protest would not be an imminent danger to public peace. One would imagine that the permit would only be refused if it was anticipated that the speech at the rally would serve to rile up the attendees so that they immediately went out and committed mayhem. I believe this is the contemporary thinking about allowing protests.

At one point in the 60s the Teamsters ordered their members to go to antiwar protests and beat up the protesters. This is a similar situation to what happened at Charlottesville. If it gets to the point where you have to refuse a permit for a rally because a reaction to the rally would result in violence then all it indicates is that there's a large level of intolerance in society, and we could all cry at that.

The case that was used as an example in the article you linked to (Whitney vs. California) is almost one hundred years old. The defendant was later pardoned, and legal judgments have evolved quite a bit since then. Throughout most of the 20th century it was leftists who were repressed on campus and elsewhere. Now we have a situation where there is so much that is taboo to consider or mention -- a "politically correct" culture -- that a reactive right wing has arisen that exults in its willingness to broach the subjects while at the same time being exploited terribly by politicians representing the interests of the wealthy and powerful.

White supremacy is a notion that is noxious to almost everyone, and the idea of certain ethnicities being genetically inferior is totally lacking in evidence. But let people talk, because otherwise you create a pressure cooker, and keep an eye on preventing violence rather than words.
 
Oh gosh, I was having a fun Saturday night, alone, feeding my cats, and watching our society disintegrate from a safe distance, when what to my poor wondering eyes should appear, but another salvo of your naive, misinformed, sanctimonious blather. However, count me in as someone who has no intentions of 'agreeing to disagree', with you, and as someone who actually does know what the NAACP is about.

The NAACP is the 'make white people feel terribly guilty over slavery' propaganda and legal arm of the civil rights movement. And quite a successful voice at that. The truth is, as long as the NAACP exists, black people will never achieve 'equality', because the NAACP will always be able to conjure up another fictitious inequality, to rub the white public's nose in.

As a prime example, in the days of slavery black people were referred to as, "expletive deleted'. So, that was dialed back to 'colored'. But then, people of color found that offensive, 'because it still reminded them of the antebellum south, and segregation'. So now, here we are in the age of Caucasian people being forced to refer to them as, 'African Americans'. Should a white person of any authority deviate from that protocol, he or she runs the risk of public humiliation, being branded a 'racist, and of a more substantial punishment, loss of career.

Yet, "the "N" word" spews ceaselessly out of every loudspeaker in the "ghetto", which if I may be so bold as to point out, you're paying for. Yet white people sit idly by to the racist tomes, all the while being too stupid to realize, it's not 'an innocent expression of culture', but rather a never ending mocking and indictment of days long past. If 'people of color' wanted 'true equality', they would censure their own kind, and delete that pejorative term from their own vocabulary as well.

Oh but they do, by extension. Police officers have been literally 'hunted', at, 'black lives matter events' . But organizations like the NAACP have been responsible for whipping the less stable, and more violent members of their group into the frenzy which caused the killings. Then they go into 'damage control mode', and throw those violent actors to the wolves, or if you prefer 'under the bus', the more contemporary colloquial term for, (as they say in Mission Impossible), "if any of you are caught or captured, we will disavow any knowledge of your existence".

Yes, and they make damned certain they have a national audience when they do it. I tend to remember individuals like, "the reverend" Al Sharpton, who spew non stop hate in the name of racial equality, while hiding behind a cross. It's just that Sharpton never set that cross on fire, which seems to sanitize, (at least to your apparent satisfaction), his vitriolic, vengeful outbursts. You sadly, seem to have swallowed the hype and deceit, hook, line and sinker

Well, 'the pen is mightier than the sword' or so they say. While I say, 'sometimes fools read on, without knowing when to put down the book'.

I covered that earlier.

As an example, the Saudis fund "Madras schools" which teach hate of the US and its values, yet they deny their existence when it comes time for the US to supply them with a couple dozen or so, F-16's.

So, now you know what, "Cranky is mad about today". Please feel free to post back if you'd like to hear more...


Thank you!

I go back to my original post, because so many people just cant understand that " equal rights " means that white people have rights too. There are solutions though.

1.) ALL organizations that are in place to cater to a specific race be deemed illegal and wrong.
2.) Force everyone to breed with people of other races until we are all one big mix of everything. The race must be one of different skin color though, Germans, Russians, English, Scottish, Irish cannot breed together.
3.) Nuke everyone off the face of the Earth

Personally I would prefer to see option #1, but I think 2 or 3 are more likely to happen.
 
Liberals are leading humanity to destruction. If you have different opinion than they have or you support Trump (which I do, come and get me!), then you are basically racist, homophobe etc...

This liberal politic has reached so high level of stupidity that you cannot help but wonder, how more crazy can this situation escalate?

Perhaps I'm naive, because I believe that in the end - common sense and logic will win. But Unfortunately, with all the BLM, SJW and other triggered snowflake movements and liberal politics - continue to fill Europe with refugees (rapefugees) and refusing to admit that muslims just WON'T integrate into Western world and that will never happen.

I have no clue how the actual justice and common sense could win, but I'm still hoping. And Trump is the best thing for America right now.
 
Can we stop trying to police emotions? Let's police legitimate threats, violence, injuries and damage, but leave emotions out of it. Trying to rid the world of "hate" is as farcical as trying to make happiness mandatory. It's just insane. People hate things all the time without any consequence.

I can't wait for the day when we've rounded up all the "hate" and it's time to go after all the sadness. What a happy place the world will then be! /s
 
Liberals are leading humanity to destruction. If you have different opinion than they have or you support Trump (which I do, come and get me!), then you are basically racist, homophobe etc...

This liberal politic has reached so high level of stupidity that you cannot help but wonder, how more crazy can this situation escalate?

Perhaps I'm naive, because I believe that in the end - common sense and logic will win. But Unfortunately, with all the BLM, SJW and other triggered snowflake movements and liberal politics - continue to fill Europe with refugees (rapefugees) and refusing to admit that muslims just WON'T integrate into Western world and that will never happen.

I have no clue how the actual justice and common sense could win, but I'm still hoping. And Trump is the best thing for America right now.

Well...there's your' problem. If you had ever taken a philosophy class, 101, you would have learned "logic" actually has rules. Along with learning these rules, you would have learned that "common" sense is not an actual thing in philosophy. Tautologies exist...but there is no such thing as "common" sense. It's a generic term describing what people feel would make sense, without training, and thus is variable. May I suggest "Making Your' Mind Matter." You can get it on Amazon and start your' journey into learning logic in a formal sense.
 
Well...there's your' problem. If you had ever taken a philosophy class, 101, you would have learned "logic" actually has rules. Along with learning these rules, you would have learned that "common" sense is not an actual thing in philosophy. Tautologies exist...but there is no such thing as "common" sense. It's a generic term describing what people feel would make sense, without training, and thus is variable. May I suggest "Making Your' Mind Matter." You can get it on Amazon and start your' journey into learning logic in a formal sense.
During my youth, I had occasion to visit a singles bar. Half drunk, I tried to strike up a conversation with one young lady, She asked me what I did for employment. I told her I was 'a philosopher'. Her response was rather shocking and abrupt, "so you're out of work then"..:D
 
This is discriminate against the discriminators and think they not the bad ones so it is okay. The bad news is that this is always what discriminators and haters think. It does not show to me they are trying to stop hate, but instead they are fighting against their enemy. If you want to stop hate, you don't oppress. That only creates resistance. You need to talk with them and convince them that the hate is not justified and try to change their hearts.

There need be an end to the us vs them thinking. We can all be united and friends and not enemies. But first we must realize the differences among us are not significant.

The concept of race is only the result of geographical isolation. We should not let it define our lives going forward. I may be born in sometwhere different from you and have different physical traits and different life experiences that molded me into who I am, but that is no reason to be enemy. Generalizing that a group of people is bad because of the actions of a few is what leads to more hate spreading. It must be considered we are not so different and we have to make the decision every day to accept others as our brothers. Oppressing people is not going to improve the situation, even if you are oppressing the misguided. There are wonderful and amazing people all over the world and we must realize there is good mixed in with the misguided. The hate of the misguided is spreading and the only way to stop it is to not allow yourself to become part of it and instead to spread not just tolerance, but the realization that there is nothing worthy of discrimination and hate.

I can see there is growing division in American in politics opinion. I would advise that you don't hate each other because you don't agree on how to deal with every situation. This is not going to create a better home for you to live in. My family members don't always agree how to handle every situation, but we work it out and still love each other. This is the way countries can work too. You need to see it as a family and do what is best for the entire family, not regarding what color one members hair is or eyeballs, or even skin or where their ancestors lived. You must also see that black lives do matter, and equally to white, asian, and hispanic. You must look past differences in such insignificant things and that is a choice you make every day. Share the vision with others for a better way forward and let that spread instead.
 
This is discriminate against the discriminators and think they not the bad ones so it is okay. The bad news is that this is always what discriminators and haters think. It does not show to me they are trying to stop hate, but instead they are fighting against their enemy. If you want to stop hate, you don't oppress. That only creates resistance. You need to talk with them and convince them that the hate is not justified and try to change their hearts.

There need be an end to the us vs them thinking. We can all be united and friends and not enemies. But first we must realize the differences among us are not significant.

The concept of race is only the result of geographical isolation. We should not let it define our lives going forward. I may be born in sometwhere different from you and have different physical traits and different life experiences that molded me into who I am, but that is no reason to be enemy. Generalizing that a group of people is bad because of the actions of a few is what leads to more hate spreading. It must be considered we are not so different and we have to make the decision every day to accept others as our brothers. Oppressing people is not going to improve the situation, even if you are oppressing the misguided. There are wonderful and amazing people all over the world and we must realize there is good mixed in with the misguided. The hate of the misguided is spreading and the only way to stop it is to not allow yourself to become part of it and instead to spread not just tolerance, but the realization that there is nothing worthy of discrimination and hate.

I can see there is growing division in American in politics opinion. I would advise that you don't hate each other because you don't agree on how to deal with every situation. This is not going to create a better home for you to live in. My family members don't always agree how to handle every situation, but we work it out and still love each other. This is the way countries can work too. You need to see it as a family and do what is best for the entire family, not regarding what color one members hair is or eyeballs, or even skin or where their ancestors lived. You must also see that black lives do matter, and equally to white, asian, and hispanic. You must look past differences in such insignificant things and that is a choice you make every day. Share the vision with others for a better way forward and let that spread instead.
That's what you should do then, get some candles, soft velvet pillows, dim the lights, and get the White Supremacists and Black Lives Matter movements together, with everybody holding hands in a circle.

Maybe you could lead them in a few rousing choruses of "Kumbaya":
 
During my youth, I had occasion to visit a singles bar. Half drunk, I tried to strike up a conversation with one young lady, She asked me what I did for employment. I told her I was 'a philosopher'. Her response was rather shocking and abrupt, "so you're out of work then"..:D

Ok...this explains your ignorance...how? Oh. I see. You didn't think the root of knowledge was worth pursuing because you'd have to be a professor or intellectual (perhaps an author) to major in such a field and make a coinciding job tied to that major. Like I said...if you had taken a Philosophy 101 course, not even majoring in the field, you'd be a lot more informed because you would know the rules of actual logic (using the word, and knowing what it means, is a lot different). I'd insert a non related anecdote for fun, like you did, but I've got some stuff to do. Anyways...in the meantime, look at that book I referenced for you. You could learn a lot without even taking that intro college course.
 
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