CEO Satya Nadella replies to employee demands for Microsoft to end contract with ICE

[Evernessince]

I made it obviously and abundantly clear in my post that I was only referring to illegal immigration. These caps you are referring to apply to the legal immigration and granting asylum to refugees - which is entirely separate from illegal immigration.

Did you miss that or are you purposely trying to conflate "illegal" immigration with the legal process for immigration/seeking asylum?

Furthermore, the US deported a quarter million people last year alone, and there are projections from several years ago talking about a "net increase" of 500,000-700,000 illegal immigrants every year despite deportations. The total illegal immigrant population numbers anywhere from 12 to 15 million. So yes, their numbers are in the millions and the rate at which they're coming in varies from hundreds of thousands to somewhere under a million per year. https://www.ice.gov/removal-statistics/2017

Finally, in your very link, the requirements of what constitutes refugees are quite specific - and they disqualify the majority of the folks we're talking about. Fleeing poverty and random violence from private actors does not qualify them as refugees. You can't just dress up illegal immigration under the guise of refugees/asylum/etc because they don't qualify as such as under the law and government policies.

The link you provided refers to removal, not deportation. While similar one carries with it a penalty against re-entry while the other doesn't.

In addition, the numbers you cited (226K) are the total removals. The number of removals from ice arrest are in fact 127,699 in 2017 if you exclude non-criminal removals (which makes sense). Including non-criminal removals in your figure is downright misleading.

https://www.ice.gov/removal-statistics/2017#wcm-survey-target-id

This also doesn't answer the question of why no one is qualifying for asylum or refugee statues when many of these people should. Trump slashing the quota in half and straight out trying to ban countries on top of the already stringent laws isn't helping.

We can accept these people legally within our quota and deport the bad ones but the current administration isn't giving legitimate cases the chance they deserve. This situation isn't as polarize as you seem to make it and we can have a compromise that benefits everyone.

Yeah... we can keep out slavery (wait, we had that), immigrants (wait, we ARE them), crime (no wait, tons of crime here), terrorism (uhh, nope)... wait I lost my train of thought. What are we keeping out? I feel like we're only keeping IN our own racism.

I'm sure you know but the per capita crime rate is higher for natural US born citizens than it is for illegal or legal immigrants. I'm pretty sure the myth that immigrants of any kind are all bad is just a reflection of a white class fearing it might loose power.

 

[captaincranky]

Yeah... we can keep out slavery (wait, we had that), immigrants (wait, we ARE them), crime (no wait, tons of crime here), terrorism (uhh, nope)... wait I lost my train of thought. What are we keeping out? I feel like we're only keeping IN our own racism.

So, I guess you're suggesting we need more crime, more terrorism maybe?

As for "losing your train of thought", you really didn't have a coherent one to begin with.

I always hope and pray when I run into a SJW liberal such as yourself, that an illegal immigrant will come in, and take your job. And that can happen, because whomever you work for, would be thrilled to get twice the work, for half the pay, out of your replacement...(y)

 

[captaincranky]

...[ ]....We can accept these people legally within our quota and deport the bad ones but the current administration isn't giving legitimate cases the chance they deserve. This situation isn't as polarize as you seem to make it and we can have a compromise that benefits everyone.

dropping our pants always seems to be your ideal solution..

Much in the same way you always hear people's mouths going on about slavery 150 years after Lincoln signed the Emancipation Proclamation, and yes it's neither been forgotten or forgiven by many blacks today (*), The Mexicans are most likely.still pissed about losing the Spanish American War. Pretty much the entire southwest used to belong to Spain. You might realize that after you connect the dots that, "Amarillo", means "Yellow", in Spanish.

Mass immigration from Mexico, is in some basal sense, the Mexicans trying to take back the territory, one overcrowded apartment at a time.

I'm sure you know but the per capita crime rate is higher for natural US born citizens than it is for illegal or legal immigrants. I'm pretty sure the myth that immigrants of any kind are all bad is just a reflection of a white class fearing it might loose power.

This statement demonstrates how monstrously naive you actually are.

Under our present "one person, one vote", system of democracy, we don't need any ethnic influx to tip the balance of power. Minorities are doing a bang up job of tipping the balance of power, simply by breeding as many new voters as they possibly can..

You sound like some suburban kid, with all these naive ideals floating around in your head, but lacking any grasp of reality.

(*) as matter of concrete fact, the movie "Black Panther", contained comments with people saying they would have rather jumped off the ships and drowned, than to be sold into slavery. These comments permeated the entire movie

Marvel pandered to the black audience shamelessly and exponentially throughout the film. The result of which was well over a billion dollars at the box office.

 

[captaincranky]

Further more it is my opinion that if we do step in and separate the kids from the parents, we should grant the kids citizenship right there on the spot. If not then the kids are not our responsibility.

Cliff be honest, wouldn't this a direct analog of someone dropping an unwanted baby off on a hospital steps, then having the expense of raising the child forced on the rest of society?

 

[Evernessince]

dropping our pants always seems to be your ideal solution..

Much in the same way you always hear people's mouths going 150 years after Lincoln signed the Emancipation Proclamation, and yes it's neither been forgotten or forgiven by many blacks today, The Mexicans are most likely.still pissed about losing the Spanish American War. Pretty much the entire southwest used to belong to Spain. You might realize that after you connect the dots that, "Amarillo", means "Yellow", in Spanish.

Mass immigration from Mexico, is in some basal sense, the Mexicans trying to take back the territory, one overcrowded apartment at a time.

This statement demonstrates how monstrously naive you actually are.

Under our present "one person, one vote", system of democracy, we don't need any ethnic influx to tip the balance of power. Minorities are doing a bang up job of tipping the balance of power, simply by breeding as many new voters as they possibly can..

You sound like some suburban kid, with all these naive ideals floating around in your head, but lacking any grasp of reality.

You can keep guessing who I am just as you stumble through the dark with those hefty labels and suppositions. In the mean time I'll wait for a response that's either based on something that's not entirely rooted in one's subjective perspective or that comes to point.

 

[captaincranky]

You can keep guessing who I am just as you stumble through the dark with those hefty labels and suppositions. In the mean time I'll wait for a response that's either based on something that's not entirely rooted in one's subjective perspective or that comes to point.

And all the while keep congratulating yourself that your heavily conditioned responses, which are flagrantly molded by contemporary propaganda are any different.

I would expect no less

 

[cliffordcooley]

Cliff be honest, wouldn't this a direct analog of someone dropping an unwanted baby off on a hospital steps, then having the expense of raising the child forced on the rest of society?

Taking in an abandoned kid is not the same as stealing one from a family who wants the kid. Seriously why did you bring up abandonment? I'm talking about busting up families. If the kid is abandoned, they no longer have a family.

 

[captaincranky]

Taking in an abandoned kid is not the same as stealing one from a family who wants the kid. Seriously why did you bring up abandonment? I'm talking about busting up families. If the kid is abandoned, they no longer have a family.

I'm talking about the separation issue.
So, if you would take the children in, and give them, "instant citizenship", but turn the parents away, it has the same net effect as someone leaving a child on a church step. Society picks up the tab..

As it stands now, all the parents are doing, is bringing children with them, to skirt the illegal entry issue.

Like I said before, it's all wonderful and self heart warming for you, I'm sure, to be spraying so much liberalism and lip service compassion around, but where would you be if you were asked to pick up the check?

 

[p51d007]

"signed by 100 MS employees"...out of how many THOUSANDS of MS employees?

I've about had it with the media, liberals in general, along with the rest of the world, that thinks the USA should have open borders, and be the dumping ground for every "cause" in the world.
See what happens if you sneak into Mexico, or pretty much any country. You get tossed out or end up in prison. If you want to come to the USA, fine, we have lots of room, but, COME HERE LEGALLY!
Most of these "kids" were smuggled here, dumped or shacked up as slaves of one kind or another. Hell, even snopes, a left wing outfit admits to some of that.
I'm sorry there are problems around the world, but this DUMPING people from around the world in various countries, is just another attempt by "globalist" to tear down independant nations, by overwhelming their systems to the point of bankruptcy, social unrest to the point of collapse to make it easier to set up the entire world in a "new world order".
Stay in your own damn country and fix YOUR problems, we have enough of our own.

 

[davislane1]

"signed by 100 MS employees"...out of how many THOUSANDS of MS employees?

Over 100,000.

 

[Puiu]

You have a warped point of view of the situation.

Yes or no: There is no justifiable reason for putting a child in a situation where he or she may be raped?

That this is even up for debate is unbelievable.

Moreover, it is absolutely on topic, as demonstrated in the video where the ICE agent discusses WHY they separate children from their families.

You really need to travel a bit more. You have no idea what is going on in some of the more poor countries. Your opinion comes out to very black and white with most people seeing it in a negative way because you don't understand a few simple things about immigration.

Yes, illegal entry into another country is not something we should allow, but I would do it in a heartbeat if it means giving my child a better life and you should be willing to do the same if the situation is that bad. If you and your child are dying of hunger or are forced to do other illegal and/or dangerous things just to survive (prostitution, theft, drugs, etc) then it's time to take action.

 

[davislane1]

You really need to travel a bit more. You have no idea what is going on in some of the more poor countries. Your opinion comes out to very black and white with most people seeing it in a negative way because you don't understand a few simple things about immigration.

Yes, illegal entry into another country is not something we should allow, but I would do it in a heartbeat if it means giving my child a better life and you should be willing to do the same if the situation is that bad. If you and your child are dying of hunger or are forced to do other illegal and/or dangerous things just to survive (prostitution, theft, drugs, etc) then it's time to take action.

I understand the immigration issue better than 99% of the people on this forum trying to hijack everyone's empathy and compassion to justify land invasion.

What the pro-invasion folks don't seem to understand, is that allowing large scale migration to continue does not actually solve the problem. It imports it to the nation the migrants are migrating to.

Take a look at photos of Paris or Sweden from 30 years ago. Travel there and see it present day, if you'd doubt this. Or the whole grooming fiasco over in the U.K., which was a direct consequence of this issue (both in terms of immigration and the politics surrounding it).

The correct action is to stop them at the border, turn them away, and offer to setup refugee camps in their own countries.

Whatever bad things are happening in Guatemala, Mexico, Africa, etc. does not give anyone from those countries the right to come over here and take up land, resources, and gain political power (the ability to vote and run for political office).

I happen to live in one of the top immigration destinations in the U.S. Since they opened the floodgates, crime has gone up, MS-13 has established a growing presence (started about 10-15 years ago), and Spanish is rapidly becoming the dominant language in the area, and, since the inception of the media's campaign to paint anyone not 100% in favor of open borders as a "Nazi," open hostility towards anyone who doesn't sing the praises of mass migration.*

My position on this is far from black and white. Moreover, it's evolved over the years from both personal experience and actual research into the issue. I used to believe the open borders free market BS. Then I took an objective look at the effects. I used to believe in the Magic Dirt Theory of Immigration (best and the brightest, come to America and you will see the light, etc). Then I took an objective look at the data. I used to accept this refugee nonsense. Again, until I detached myself emotionally from it and looked at what it actually causes.

Open borders and mass migration will result in war, like it always has.

It will result civil conflict that will end in mass bloodshed and the expulsion (or elimination) of one or more groups from the territory, just like it always has.

Some of us would rather that not happen. Others would rather pretend it won't, because current year.

*I was actually called out in public two weeks ago for not knowing Spanish. Apparently, it is unthinkable to live thousands of miles away from the U.S.-Mexico border and not speak the language. I was also told the following week that assuming a Hispanic person may not speak English is racist....in spite of 50% of them in the area not actually knowing any English. But, ya know, they'll assimilate in time. /s

 

[Evernessince]

And all the while keep congratulating yourself that your heavily conditioned responses, which are flagrantly molded by contemporary propaganda are any different.

I would expect no less

You may have read the comment incorrectly if you believe there was any congratulating. Kind of hard to be conditioned by propaganda when my only source of media is tech websites, unless you are saying TechSpot is a propaganda too. Kind of hard to believe that though given the self implication.

Why is everyone who disagrees with you either naive or brainwashed? You should like the villain in any movie ever.

 

[captaincranky]

.......[ ].....Why is everyone who disagrees with you either naive or brainwashed? You should like the villain in any movie ever.

Oh that\s because it's not really me posting..........,(wait for it).......it's my evil double.,.....

In fact, I'm posting the original music to "Kumbaya", in the hopes you'll stop by the Federal Prisons and sing it to the detainees.

 

[captaincranky]

...[ ]...Yes, illegal entry into another country is not something we should allow, but I would do it in a heartbeat if it means giving my child a better life and you should be willing to do the same if the situation is that bad. If you and your child are dying of hunger or are forced to do other illegal and/or dangerous things just to survive (prostitution, theft, drugs, etc) then it's time to take action.

That's all well and good, but if you don't want to bring children into a bad life, there's always birth control.

At the end of the day, the human animal is subject to the same drive of every other species on the planet, which is to procreate, to the sole end of survival of the species.

Mother chimpanzees and gorillas love their children also, but you won't catch them trying to sneak into the US illegally.

In fact, after the continual disasters and killings they've experienced at man's hand, (actually his guns, sticks, and spears), they stay as far away from us as hominid-ly possible.

 

[Puiu]

That's all well and good, but if you don't want to bring children into a bad life, there's always birth control.

At the end of the day, the human animal is subject to the same drive of every other species on the planet, which is to procreate, to the sole end of survival of the species.

Mother chimpanzees and gorillas love their children also, but you won't catch them trying to sneak into the US illegally.

In fact, after the continual disasters and killings they've experienced at man's hand, (actually his guns, sticks, and spears), they stay as far away from us as hominid-ly possible.

Comparing illegal immigrants with monkeys and chimpanzees... c'mon dude, you never stooped this low before.

At this rate you might end up telling us that poor people should just stop being poor.

Since Trump became president racist slurs/comments have become more and more common. I kinda predicted that this would happen, but it doesn't make it any less sad to see.

 

[captaincranky]

Comparing illegal immigrants with monkeys and chimpanzees... c'mon dude, you never stooped this low before.

At this rate you might end up telling us that poor people should just stop being poor.

Since Trump became president racist slurs/comments have become more and more common. I kinda predicted that this would happen, but it doesn't make it any less sad to see.

In reality, you're the one who knows absolutely nothing about anthropology. Homo sapiens is classed as a hominid, which includes all monkeys, and the "great apes". (Great apes don't have tails, monkeys do)

Both species of chimpanzees, (common and bonobo) are included in the genus "Pan"

However some biologists and anthropologists, believe the due to DNA similarities approaching 100% that humans should be given the "Pan" genus classification as well.

The only reason man retains his genus status as "Homo", is because the genus and species was designated prior to the chimpanzee.

Unfortunately these articles don't have any string variables or "goto" commands involved, so you might have to "phone a friend", for full intellectual grasp of their ramifications.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonobo

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_chimpanzee

By the way, have racial comments ramped up in Romania too since Trump's election, or are you just reading and being judgmental over our shoulders?

So, in reality this issue is not really any of your concern, but I don't mind your participation. I'm here for you, dude! (y)

Epilogue: Bonobo chimps are more lovers than fighters, and the common chimp is more of a fighter than a lover. You smush them together and you get man, who does both with great alacrity, hence our Darwinian triumph over every other species on the planet.

 

[davislane1]

Since Trump became president racist slurs/comments have become more and more common. I kinda predicted that this would happen, but it doesn't make it any less sad to see.

More or less like the rest of us predicted that anything short of full compliance with SJW doctrine would be characterized as being racist.

Only, we predicted that all the way back in 2007.

Better late than never I suppose.

 

[captaincranky]

More or less like the rest of us predicted that anything short of full compliance with SJW doctrine would be characterized as being racist.

Only, we predicted that all the way back in 2007.

Better late than never I suppose.

In reality, this crew doesn't have any understanding of the claims they make, or the "high moral standards" to which they claim to adhere. They're just like big, loud Kewpie dolls. You pull the sting on its back, and it shouts, "racist".

 

[OutlawCecil]

Please note I didn't say any one race or races, are superior to another. I don't believe that to be the case.

lol wow you are just all over the place. I'll get us back on topic by simply explaining this...

If you think any one country or area of the Earth is full of terrorists, rapists, criminals, or otherwise "bad guys", you are blanketing all peoples of that area with a description. This, sir, is the definition of racism however you'd like to spin it. You and Trump should grab a beer and a room together.

Your quote above: "So, I guess you're suggesting we need more crime, more terrorism maybe?" is total racism.

There, I await your next 3592 character reply.

 

[captaincranky]

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lol wow you are just all over the place. I'll get us back on topic by simply explaining this.

There's nothing I admire more than a "take charge kind of SJW". Although in reality, the two terms are mutually exclusive.

So, the "Moses of Techspot" is going to lead me out of the wilderness of my "racism".. I'd probably be in better company following a "Killer Clown", into a vacant circus tent.

If you think any one country or area of the Earth is full of terrorists, rapists, criminals, or otherwise "bad guys", you are blanketing all peoples of that area with a description. This, sir, is the definition of racism however you'd like to spin it.

In no way did I ever say or imply such a thing. That's your fantasy about me. That's your feeble attempt at interpreting what has been said, and only answer you have for anything in this thread is to continually call everyone posting to a "racist", in an ever louder, more obnoxious manner.
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You and Trump should grab a beer and a room together.

So that's what you're still mad about, Trump's election? Get over it. Time to move on.

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Your quote above: "So, I guess you're suggesting we need more crime, more terrorism maybe?" is total racism.

A certain segment of any emigrating populace is bound to have a criminal and terroristic component. Which, when combined with our "home grown terrorists", and criminals, would automatically sum with those incoming, and give us "more criminals and terrorists", which would be the result, even if our government were flagrantly stupid enough to allow you to do the math.
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There, I await your next 3592 character reply.

I wish I could say the same of your dogmatic rubbish.

As I stated in another post, all of the Latino immigrants, legal or otherwise, I have encountered, have certainly been pleasant to deal with, and more pleasant by a country mile, than listening to you, "playing the race card", ad naseum.

As far as how many characters I'm going to waste on you, I couldn't be bothered to find out.

In point of fact, the computer, I'm sure, counted how many characters my last post contained for you.

If you were you doing the counting, there exists the strong possibility you would have lost count at 20...

 

[Evernessince]

Oh that\s because it's not really me posting..........,(wait for it).......it's my evil double.,.....

In fact, I'm posting the original music to "Kumbaya", in the hopes you'll stop by the Federal Prisons and sing it to the detainees.

Hey, somebody's got to do it!

 

[Puiu]

In reality, you're the one who knows absolutely nothing about anthropology. Homo sapiens is classed as a hominid, which includes all monkeys, and the "great apes". (Great apes don't have tails, monkeys do)

Both species of chimpanzees, (common and bonobo) are included in the genus "Pan"

However some biologists and anthropologists, believe the due to DNA similarities approaching 100% that humans should be given the "Pan" genus classification as well.

The only reason man retains his genus status as "Homo", is because the genus and species was designated prior to the chimpanzee.

Unfortunately these articles don't have any string variables or "goto" commands involved, so you might have to "phone a friend", for full intellectual grasp of their ramifications.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonobo

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_chimpanzee

By the way, have racial comments ramped up in Romania too since Trump's election, or are you just reading and being judgmental over our shoulders?

So, in reality this issue is not really any of your concern, but I don't mind your participation. I'm here for you, dude! (y)

Epilogue: Bonobo chimps are more lovers than fighters, and the common chimp is more of a fighter than a lover. You smush them together and you get man, who does both with great alacrity, hence our Darwinian triumph over every other species on the planet.

Let's be serious here, there is huge difference between being upset that there are a lot immigrants and calling them monkeys. This has always been racist and it will continue to be racist regardless of what you believe or who the president is.
You can try to spin your words around but it doesn't make it any better.

More or less like the rest of us predicted that anything short of full compliance with SJW doctrine would be characterized as being racist. You actually remind of one those

Only, we predicted that all the way back in 2007.

Better late than never I suppose.

This has nothing to do with being politically correct, this has to do with how well your parents taught you at home about decency and respecting other people.

Like it or not racists exist and they have become more and more open and much more "confident" in voicing their dislike of other human beings based on whatever criteria they come up with. The number of hate crimes jumped up a lot in the world, especially in the US, and it's not slowing down.

There is a big difference between believing in free speech, using it to your advantage, and just saying stupid things because you feel like you can. Saying that people expect "full compliance with SJW" is just not true and it's just a childish excuse by others to do whatever they feel like without any restraint or remorse.

Since when has racism become "normal"? Since when has it become ok to be racist? Since when have people started using the very childish SJW excuse to voice their racist opinions?

 

[captaincranky]

Let's be serious here, there is huge difference between being upset that there are a lot immigrants and calling them monkeys. This has always been racist and it will continue to be racist regardless of what you believe or who the president is.
You can try to spin your words around but it doesn't make it any better....[ ]...

Well, actually I claimed the whole species was nothing more than a highly evolved ape, with almost identical DNA, to that of chimpanzees.

That includes me, myself, & I, plus you, the illegal immigrants coming into the US, and the people who have lived here for centuries. I said we're all apes, that doesn't make me a racist, it makes your reading comprehension piss poor, at best.

So while you're at it, why don't you dash off a nasty text to the people that did the gene sequencing and comparison. They discovered the almost exact similarity of our genome with that of the genus Pan. Run you yap to them about how, "they're racists, without compassion, blah, blah blah".

What I do know as fact, is people aren't beating down the doors to Romania to get in. And that our immigration issues are really none of your concern.

If you think you can "save every puppy in the pound", come over to America, buy a big house, and put these families back together at your expense. Or better still march into Mexico and breakup the drug cartels which these people are claiming is the reason they need to flee their home country(s).

Because if you're unable to do so, or commit to that, then you're just a powerless little man with a big mouth, whose reach falls unnaturally short of his grasp.

And what you should most likely do, is stay out of American politics, and go keep company with the little ones and zeros dancing around in your head.

Oddly, Romania doesn't have people knocking down her doors to get in, and that's in spite of the cheap internet you always manage to rub our noses with.'

We have programmers here, thank you very much, and people, for whatever they're worth, to run our government. Which means, you're completely unnecessary even in a minuscule advisory capacity.

Quick Stats:

Romania's Annual Household Income per Capita reached 3,287.40 USD in Dec 2016, compared with the previous value of 3,028.18 USD in Dec 2015. Romania's Annual Household Income per Capita data is updated yearly, available from Dec 2001 to Dec 2016, with an averaged value of 2,991.61 USD.

^^^^According to this ^^^^^^, you desperately need cheap internet, and you don't have the tax base to support having tens of thousands of immigrants migrating to your country.

But you have the US, and everything it needs to do to earn your approval, all figured out, dontcha?

 

[Puiu]

Well, actually I claimed the whole species was nothing more than a highly evolved ape, with almost identical DNA, to that of chimpanzees.

That includes me, myself, & I, plus you, the illegal immigrants coming into the US, and the people who have lived here for centuries. I said we're all apes, that doesn't make me a racist, it makes your reading comprehension piss poor, at best.

So while you're at it, why don't you dash off a nasty text to the people that did the gene sequencing and comparison. They discovered the almost exact similarity of our genome with that of the genus Pan. Run you yap to them about how, "they're racists, without compassion, blah, blah blah".

What I do know as fact, is people aren't beating down the doors to Romania to get in. And that our immigration issues are really none of your concern.

If you think you can "save every puppy in the pound", come over to America, buy a big house, and put these families back together at your expense. Or better still march into Mexico and breakup the drug cartels which these people are claiming is the reason they need to flee their home country(s).

Because if you're unable to do so, or commit to that, then you're just a powerless little man with a big mouth, whose reach falls unnaturally short of his grasp.

And what you should most likely do, is stay out of American politics, and go keep company with the little ones and zeros dancing around in your head.

Oddly, Romania doesn't have people knocking down her doors to get in, and that's in spite of the cheap internet you always manage to rub our noses with.'

We have programmers here, thank you very much, and people, for whatever they're worth, to run our government. Which means, you're completely unnecessary even in a minuscule advisory capacity.

Quick Stats:

Romania's Annual Household Income per Capita reached 3,287.40 USD in Dec 2016, compared with the previous value of 3,028.18 USD in Dec 2015. Romania's Annual Household Income per Capita data is updated yearly, available from Dec 2001 to Dec 2016, with an averaged value of 2,991.61 USD.

^^^^According to this ^^^^^^, you desperately need cheap internet, and you don't have the tax base to support having tens of thousands of immigrants migrating to your country.

But you have the US all figured out, dontcha?

What you don't understand is that I probably make more money than you and second you didn't say that the whole species are "monkeys", you just used the term in a comparison as a way to say that immigrants are worse than monkeys. That is undoubtably racist and the fact that you can't see or refuse to see it that way is worrisome.

And if you worry about the prices being low in Romania then you should probably know that we most likely pay more for a lot of things compared to you. (this includes electronics, clothing, gasoline, etc). Having cheap good internet is 100% because government investments into the infrastructure and a lot of competition on the market (unlike the monopolies ISPs hold in the US)

No I don't have the US figured out (and I don't even want to), but you... you made things fairly easy for me. You like to talk a lot, but it's mostly just filler to hide the juicy stuff.

PS: The second most spoken language in IT in the US is most like romanian (at least according to microsoft). You don't need us since you have enough programmers? Wrong, Silicon Valley was built by us (and we built a second "Silicon Valley" in Romania too).

Here's how it is in the real world: https://www.zdnet.com/article/forge...ing-a-startup-in-romania-may-make-more-sense/