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Check out the White House video used to illustrate violence in video games

By midian182 · 49 replies
Mar 9, 2018
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  1. psycros

    psycros TS Evangelist Posts: 2,506   +2,206

    Where they've always been - in the category of "NON-INTERACTIVE media", which is much less immersive and behavior-affecting.
  2. wiyosaya

    wiyosaya TS Evangelist Posts: 3,421   +1,821

    Most of the affected states, red or blue, are fighting back against that authorization of limited offshore drilling since Trump's second home, Florida, received an immediate exemption to that "authorization."

    I will not go after your other assertions. I think you should assess the Kool Aid you are drinking to ensure that it contains nothing harmful.
  3. hood6558

    hood6558 TS Evangelist Posts: 353   +110

    @psycros - I agree with you, the interactive violence of video games has a much greater potential for desensitizing young minds to violence, than the movies, TV, and news. If you go back a generation or so, (before the '90s) ,none of it was as graphically violent as the more recent stuff. Pac-Man and Donkey Kong didn't inspire any mass murders that I know of. Neither did Billy Jack or Rocky. Lots of young people these days carry a gun, but in my day it was a penknife, or maybe a switchblade, not an automatic! If you ask yourself what has changed, the video games are a good place to start. Banning or age limits only makes kids go to great lengths to access it, just like it was with booze, R-rated movies, driving, and pot, things I pursued avidly in my teenage years. So why are we surprised that so many teens want to be killers? It's the new cool. Sadly, there's no way to turn back the clock, we must somehow accept a world where anyone can be randomly killed for no reason at all. Maybe it was always that way, but it used to be very rare in this country - if someone killed you, they usually had a good reason.
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  4. Uncle Al

    Uncle Al TS Evangelist Posts: 4,860   +3,308

    Sheezeeee ..... I can see better than that on the nightly news!
  5. Johndoedoedoe

    Johndoedoedoe TS Enthusiast Posts: 28   +22

    Take gun violence rates in the US and compare them to the UK.

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  6. J spot

    J spot TS Maniac Posts: 209   +127

    Video games are a global thing. Mass shooting has only gone up in the United States. Mass shooters are invariably insane individuals. Personally I think rap music, mafia type movies would be a bigger problem because of impressionable dumb **** teenagers.
  7. hood6558

    hood6558 TS Evangelist Posts: 353   +110

    Maybe it's a matter of access - lots of gun in the US, not as available in most places.
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  8. wiyosaya

    wiyosaya TS Evangelist Posts: 3,421   +1,821

    The way I see it, it has nothing to do with the increase in video games, violent or otherwise.

    To me, it has everything to do with economics. Everyone has to fight to survive, everyone wants to survive, and if they do not have the economic where-with-all to do so, some of them lash out, and blame others. It is tragic that those whom they blame are not at fault for the troubles of the person that is lashing out.

    Though I do not have the reference for this, there was a study a few years back that said that for children within an economic class, it literally takes more than one generation for them to raise their economic status one level. IIRC, I believe the mean time was at least two generations for those within an economic class to raise there economic status one level. That is a long, long time.

    Most places in the world are not inclusive, and that, as I see it, is what is really behind all this. That it is apparently manifesting itself in the US more than other places in the world is something that I do not understand, but may, in part, be related to the history of the US in that it was formed by rebellious people in the first place, and many in the US will not take crap from those they view as oppressors.

    I am not, in the least, saying that what is happening in the US is right.

    Absolutely! It is a matter of access to guns. That is a big part of the problem. And I disagree with those of my fellow US citizens that having everyone armed will quell the problem. Rather, I think it is more likely to exasperate the problem.

    If someone were to confront me with a knife or other sharp object on the street, I would be far less worried than if I were confronted with a gun. I hear people saying that people can cause a lot of harm with a sharp object, and I agree, they can, however, a gun has an air of superiority about it. You do not need to get close to anyone when you have a gun to do serious harm, and that is bound to make the wackos feel as if they are in control and can do anything they want.

    A sharp object requires close contact, it is much harder to do harm to someone with a sharp object - especially if the opponent is even only somewhat capable of not succumbing to fear and defending themselves. Depending on circumstances, the same cannot be said for defense against a gun because a gun can kill from a significant distance.
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  9. commanderasus

    commanderasus TS Addict Posts: 225   +98

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  10. Nobina

    Nobina TS Evangelist Posts: 1,757   +1,265

    If you ever want to build an army just hire a bunch of young people to play games until they become war machines.
  11. Igrecman

    Igrecman TS Maniac Posts: 245   +144

    There are worst scenes in The Walking Dead. However when you believe the enemy is not human it makes violence and cruelty acceptable to the viewer. That's exactly what all the armies in history have been doing with their troops.
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  12. CaptainTom

    CaptainTom TS Maniac Posts: 398   +202

    There is more money to be made in renewable energy at this point. We are leading the entire world in renewable by a LARGE margin, but we are far less important when it comes to the old methods of power generation. Thus America stands to benefit the most by forcing the world to switch asap as opposed to doubling down on industries that are less profitable every year...
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  13. Capaill

    Capaill TS Evangelist Posts: 774   +397

    There is a good 2017 article on vox.com about US gun violence statistics with lots of graphs to compare the US to other developed countries, many of which make it much harder to get guns or have outright bans on owning handguns or automatic weapons. For example, although the US represents just 4% of the world's population, it has over 40% of all civilian-owned guns. And there is an average of 1 mass shooting (4+ victims) every day in the US. And the US's rate of homicide by firearm (including suicide) averages 10 times higher than other developed countries. It concludes:
    "Americans by and large support policies that reduce access to guns. But once these policies are proposed, they’re broadly spun by politicians and pundits into attempts to “take away your guns.” So nothing gets done, and preventable deaths keep occurring."

    We all play the same video games. While there are some games that children really should stay away from, they don't cause murders. Easy access to weapons causes murders. If I wanted to murder someone with a gun, I have no access to a weapon. I can't buy one in a shop. The only safe(ish) way of getting one would be to go on the black market which I know nothing about and would probably walk straight into a police sting operation. Outside of grabbing a knife in a spur of the moment attack, it would take me so much time and effort to arrange a murder that I'd have gotten over the initial insult and moved on with my life.
    Whereas in the US, a kid just has to go home, break into his dad's gun cabinet (if it's even locked), run back to school and start pulling the trigger until he feels better or a cop guns him down.

    If America is ok with that and sees no reason to change, then fine. We're done here. Just leave our video games alone.
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  14. wiyosaya

    wiyosaya TS Evangelist Posts: 3,421   +1,821

    Well said!
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  15. James00007

    James00007 TS Booster Posts: 114   +12

    Exactly. Wan't to make things healthier in a society where gun ownership is legal? Gun Control, restrictions, bans. The harder it is to get hold of a firearm the less frequently they will be used. Arguments of rights to bear arms and to defend yourself is really no excuse for the current availability of such weapons. It's doubtful firearms laws will be changed but to then start pointing the finger at video games is pretty foolish. Seems more likely some kind of pay us more idea.

    Put resources into mental health and the kind of pressures these people have been under such as, bullying, stress, harassment, brain washing. You will find every case has some kind of causality from a real rather than a virtual world source. These kids are bullied and terrorised all day, have no friends and nobody to turn to and probably have a really crappy home life, then people wonder why they flip and go crazy. Combat that problem. That's the real issue. Make schools actually responsible for this.

    The serious incidents where people have gone on killing sprees are by people of unsound mind. Anything can trigger these people be it a movie, video game, TV show right down to an argument/disagreement, a bad day or them not liking the colour of a flower.

    I also stand by the idea that if someone is killing people in a video game all day they aren't doing in real life and the more restriction you put on it the more opportunity for that to change.
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  16. wiyosaya

    wiyosaya TS Evangelist Posts: 3,421   +1,821

    I'll make an odd parallel here in that Trump, and others, are trying to do exactly this to video games because they do not want to face truth.

    I am a US citizen, and I do not in the least understand why some of my fellow citizens hold on to their "2nd Amendment Rights" as if it is the only thing that they have that is worth anything.

    I hear some of the extreme 2nd amendment supporters somehow think that they will be able to fight back against US law enforcement, or perhaps even the US Military, but look how that worked out for the Bundy gang, and facing some of the weapons that the US Military has with handguns, and heck, even a good quality sniper rifle is like bringing spitballs to a boxing match and expecting to win. In other words, those who think that their pea shooters are any match for the military are experiencing wishful thinking to an extreme, IMO.
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  17. branhama

    branhama TS Rookie

    And this is what my tax dollars are going towards? It is the responsibility of the parents to raise their children properly, it is not the responsibility of the government to put limits or bans on games because of this. If you are unable to properly raise a child to be respectful and know right from wrong don't have them!

    The president should not be taking time out of the day to watch a video of violence in video games. I play violent games all the time, I love fighting off hoards of zombies or sneaking up on a friend while playing a military simulation. I am no where near the best person in the world but I do not have tendencies to blow up anything or shoot up people. Hell the United Stated Army develops a military simulation game called "Americas Army" which has been around for many years.

    The point is, they are games! If you are incapable of maintaining discipline in your child you should have never had one!
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  18. BobHome

    BobHome TS Enthusiast Posts: 48   +20

    Unfortunately, Violence Sells. Just look at the top box office movies for the past decade or two.
    Which is a sad commentary on our human civilization. (or is that an oxymoron?)
  19. Abraka

    Abraka TS Addict Posts: 176   +54

    Wrong. It's not because "violence sells". That's a wrong conclusion. Nudity sells even more, but they don't use it. Violence is shown on purpose, for different reasons.

    Nudity scenes are removed from the movies aired at prime time. But for violence they just strap that rating mark "(12)" and air it freely. At any time. In the morning, afternoon, evening, when even small children can see it.

    For nudity they have a completely different policy. They DON'T AIR IT until late at night (except on specialized channels). Also, ratings for nudity are a lot more restricting than ratings for violence. That's why "Criminal Minds" can air at any time on any channel, while nudity is restricted.

    So basically, they are saying: "Make war, not love". And hence, that's what we get. War on the streets. Don't blame guns for everything.

    Norwegians have 30% of the guns per capita compared to US, but 3500% less firearms-related crime than the United States. Their movies and education are a lot different.
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  20. maikal

    maikal TS Rookie Posts: 32

    Well the NRA pointed directly at video games so that's the official GOP scapegoat! There was even politicians parroting the NRA talking points!
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  21. maikal

    maikal TS Rookie Posts: 32

    Not a problem in other countries!
  22. maikal

    maikal TS Rookie Posts: 32

    He got more pressure in an hour with the NRA rep the day before than any other player on this topic!
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  23. wiyosaya

    wiyosaya TS Evangelist Posts: 3,421   +1,821

    (y) Nice to know that some people actually get what is going on here. Unfortunately, the majority party in the US seems to have no clue just like their current "leader".
  24. Impudicus

    Impudicus TS Booster Posts: 95   +45

    The white house should be looking into all the violence in the wars they are involved in. The actual weapons they are giving people to kill other people for the purpose of killing people rather than entertainment....
  25. Abraka

    Abraka TS Addict Posts: 176   +54

    Really?? So why not make movies where you kill Jews? And gays. To prevent such behavior in real life, we must create a lot of games where they kill Jews and gays. Right?

    Also, let's make a lot of movies and games about women being raped. Especially teenage girls. Because by your theory, people who play that will then do a lot less rapes in real life. Right?

    Then how come they banned rapes in most of the movies? And put special ratings on nudity that are much more harsh than ratings on killing people? Does that mean they inadvertently promoted nudity and rapes? And by advertising weapons in movies they actually reduced weapons usage in real life?

    Because that's what you say. Are you insane? It works exactly the opposite. The more you mention something in media, the more it becomes popular. That's why they banned rapes in movies, that's why you don't see people killing Jews and gays in movies. To prevent it happening in real life. Not the opposite. Switch on your freaking brain.

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