psycros
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So, where are movies, television shows, and the news in this discussion?
Where they've always been - in the category of "NON-INTERACTIVE media", which is much less immersive and behavior-affecting.
So, where are movies, television shows, and the news in this discussion?
Most of the affected states, red or blue, are fighting back against that authorization of limited offshore drilling since Trump's second home, Florida, received an immediate exemption to that "authorization."Uh, Keystone Pipeline? Authorizing limited offshore drilling? Rolling back some of the war on coal? Trump has done more for the energy industry than the last three administrations. Try getting outside your own head once in a while. And that "useless" trade war (which isn't a trade war) will bring these countries that have helped kill the American middle class back to the negotiating table. As for the violent video games, all but one study done on the subject was paid for by the entertainment industry itself. The one that *wasn't* found DIRECT correlations between the escalation of violent behavior and extensive desensitization to violence in games and other media.
A comprehensive report of targeted school violence commissioned by the U.S. Secret Service and Department of Education concluded that more than half of attackers demonstrated interest in violent media, including books, movies, or video games. However, the report cautioned that no particular behavior, including interest in violence, could be used to produce a "profile" of a likely shooter.
@psycros - I agree with you, the interactive violence of video games has a much greater potential for desensitizing young minds to violence, than the movies, TV, and news. If you go back a generation or so, (before the '90s) ,none of it was as graphically violent as the more recent stuff. Pac-Man and Donkey Kong didn't inspire any mass murders that I know of. Neither did Billy Jack or Rocky. Lots of young people these days carry a gun, but in my day it was a penknife, or maybe a switchblade, not an automatic! If you ask yourself what has changed, the video games are a good place to start. Banning or age limits only makes kids go to great lengths to access it, just like it was with booze, R-rated movies, driving, and pot, things I pursued avidly in my teenage years. So why are we surprised that so many teens want to be killers? It's the new cool. Sadly, there's no way to turn back the clock, we must somehow accept a world where anyone can be randomly killed for no reason at all. Maybe it was always that way, but it used to be very rare in this country - if someone killed you, they usually had a good reason.
Maybe it's a matter of access - lots of gun in the US, not as available in most places.Video games are a global thing. Mass shooting has only gone up in the United States. Mass shooters are invariably insane individuals. Personally I think rap music, mafia type movies would be a bigger problem because of impressionable dumb **** teenagers.
The way I see it, it has nothing to do with the increase in video games, violent or otherwise.@psycros - I agree with you, the interactive violence of video games has a much greater potential for desensitizing young minds to violence, than the movies, TV, and news. If you go back a generation or so, (before the '90s) ,none of it was as graphically violent as the more recent stuff. Pac-Man and Donkey Kong didn't inspire any mass murders that I know of. Neither did Billy Jack or Rocky. Lots of young people these days carry a gun, but in my day it was a penknife, or maybe a switchblade, not an automatic! If you ask yourself what has changed, the video games are a good place to start. Banning or age limits only makes kids go to great lengths to access it, just like it was with booze, R-rated movies, driving, and pot, things I pursued avidly in my teenage years. So why are we surprised that so many teens want to be killers? It's the new cool. Sadly, there's no way to turn back the clock, we must somehow accept a world where anyone can be randomly killed for no reason at all. Maybe it was always that way, but it used to be very rare in this country - if someone killed you, they usually had a good reason.
Absolutely! It is a matter of access to guns. That is a big part of the problem. And I disagree with those of my fellow US citizens that having everyone armed will quell the problem. Rather, I think it is more likely to exasperate the problem.Maybe it's a matter of access - lots of gun in the US, not as available in most places.Video games are a global thing. Mass shooting has only gone up in the United States. Mass shooters are invariably insane individuals. Personally I think rap music, mafia type movies would be a bigger problem because of impressionable dumb **** teenagers.
Uh, Keystone Pipeline? Authorizing limited offshore drilling? Rolling back some of the war on coal?
Well said!There is a good 2017 article on vox.com about US gun violence statistics with lots of graphs to compare the US to other developed countries, many of which make it much harder to get guns or have outright bans on owning handguns or automatic weapons. For example, although the US represents just 4% of the world's population, it has over 40% of all civilian-owned guns. And there is an average of 1 mass shooting (4+ victims) every day in the US. And the US's rate of homicide by firearm (including suicide) averages 10 times higher than other developed countries. It concludes:
"Americans by and large support policies that reduce access to guns. But once these policies are proposed, they’re broadly spun by politicians and pundits into attempts to “take away your guns.” So nothing gets done, and preventable deaths keep occurring."
We all play the same video games. While there are some games that children really should stay away from, they don't cause murders. Easy access to weapons causes murders. If I wanted to murder someone with a gun, I have no access to a weapon. I can't buy one in a shop. The only safe(ish) way of getting one would be to go on the black market which I know nothing about and would probably walk straight into a police sting operation. Outside of grabbing a knife in a spur of the moment attack, it would take me so much time and effort to arrange a murder that I'd have gotten over the initial insult and moved on with my life.
Whereas in the US, a kid just has to go home, break into his dad's gun cabinet (if it's even locked), run back to school and start pulling the trigger until he feels better or a cop guns him down.
If America is ok with that and sees no reason to change, then fine. We're done here. Just leave our video games alone.
It's a smoke screen. Trump is getting pressure from school kids and their families to do something about guns. So he goes after the games that kids play. That causes a sensation with everyone scrambling to protect their precious games and we all forget about the school massacres. All he needs to do is keep our minds off the shooting of children in a school for a few weeks and this will all blow over and it's back to normal until the next school shooting.
Radical suggestion: Instead of preventing children from playing violent games, how about you prevent them from using guns. There's a gun industry blocking that? Penalise THEM.
I'll make an odd parallel here in that Trump, and others, are trying to do exactly this to video games because they do not want to face truth.There are worst scenes in The Walking Dead. However when you believe the enemy is not human it makes violence and cruelty acceptable to the viewer. That's exactly what all the armies in history have been doing with their troops.
Unfortunately, Violence Sells. Just look at the top box office movies for the past decade or two.What I find ridiculous is that it is our inherent nature to be violent that spawns these movies and games. But yet no one wants to admit that, because that would threaten our way of lifestyle and demand change. Change such as removing violence from our movies and games. The only way to remove violence is to make violence an inconceivable act. As long as violence is in our movies and games it will always be conceivable and someone out there will want to act upon those thoughts.
Well the NRA pointed directly at video games so that's the official GOP scapegoat! There was even politicians parroting the NRA talking points!So, where are movies, television shows, and the news in this discussion?
Not a problem in other countries!What I find ridiculous is that it is our inherent nature to be violent that spawns these movies and games. But yet no one wants to admit that, because that would threaten our way of lifestyle and demand change. Change such as removing violence from our movies and games. The only way to remove violence is to make violence an inconceivable act. As long as violence is in our movies and games it will always be conceivable and someone out there will want to act upon those thoughts.
He got more pressure in an hour with the NRA rep the day before than any other player on this topic!It's a smoke screen. Trump is getting pressure from school kids and their families to do something about guns. So he goes after the games that kids play. That causes a sensation with everyone scrambling to protect their precious games and we all forget about the school massacres. All he needs to do is keep our minds off the shooting of children in a school for a few weeks and this will all blow over and it's back to normal until the next school shooting.
Radical suggestion: Instead of preventing children from playing violent games, how about you prevent them from using guns. There's a gun industry blocking that? Penalise THEM.
(y) Nice to know that some people actually get what is going on here. Unfortunately, the majority party in the US seems to have no clue just like their current "leader".Exactly. Wan't to make things healthier in a society where gun ownership is legal? Gun Control, restrictions, bans. The harder it is to get hold of a firearm the less frequently they will be used. Arguments of rights to bear arms and to defend yourself is really no excuse for the current availability of such weapons. It's doubtful firearms laws will be changed but to then start pointing the finger at video games is pretty foolish. Seems more likely some kind of pay us more idea.
Put resources into mental health and the kind of pressures these people have been under such as, bullying, stress, harassment, brain washing. You will find every case has some kind of causality from a real rather than a virtual world source. These kids are bullied and terrorised all day, have no friends and nobody to turn to and probably have a really crappy home life, then people wonder why they flip and go crazy. Combat that problem. That's the real issue. Make schools actually responsible for this.
The serious incidents where people have gone on killing sprees are by people of unsound mind. Anything can trigger these people be it a movie, video game, TV show right down to an argument/disagreement, a bad day or them not liking the colour of a flower.
I also stand by the idea that if someone is killing people in a video game all day they aren't doing in real life and the more restriction you put on it the more opportunity for that to change.
I also stand by the idea that if someone is killing people in a video game all day they aren't doing in real life and the more restriction you put on it the more opportunity for that to change.