China accuses Taiwan of "selling out" its semiconductor industry to the US

[KingKappa]

I think Ukraine is far more worried about Russia. It's worry about the U.S. is about how the U.S. is less likely to give it the support it needs to keep Russia from conquering it.
It is true that Trump as President does raise the possibility of a future world divided between three totalitarian nuclear superpowers, but this has not yet happened, it is just a possibility for the future, not the current reality. At present, the U.S. is still useful in keeping China and Russia at bay, it still allows its friends to be democracies, and it may elect a Democratic government at some future time. It's when those things stop being true that it can be equated to Russia and China.

Ukraine having more direct problems with Russia now, doesn't mean they want the US controlling part of their country.

You have one side directly attacking them and the other side threatening and demanding return on their investment via minerals or land.

Both are terrible, but to be fair the latter is actually more disgusting to me. You come in acting like the savior and now you're demanding something in return or they think they're entitled to land....

 

[Squid Surprise]

Both are terrible, but to be fair the latter is actually more disgusting to me. You come in acting like the savior and now you're demanding something in return or they think they're entitled to land....

Maybe morally... but I'd prefer the American jerk over the Russian who plans to annex me and treat my citizens like slaves...

 

[monkeylove]

The proof that TSMC is almost immune to any geopolitical spat.

In the end, it is the only company providing the cutting edge in chip manufacturing capabilities.

The CCP cannot invade Taiwan because it would bring the world into the worst economical turmoil since the great depression of 1929, and this is something China doesn't want at all because it will cripple the country for decades.

Anyway, TSMC will simply be able to reestablish itself in the same position later.

China has no reason to invade Taiwan because its already has a massive manufacturing base, plus the U.S. maintains that it will not recognize Taiwanese independence in order not to threaten U.S.-China trade. Also, about the latter, the U.S. is even dependent on China for things like components needed for ammunition.

 

[Xelions]

Then by the same logic, neither do you and your nation.

Most likely, and I'm looking at it from a purely historical perspective and applying different probabilities to major outcomes that affected that country.

For example, when the Americas were settled, the Native Indians were already there, and well there was conflict and for what, land really. Another is... the Chinese almost faced elimination during their conflict with the Japanese.

It's all a land grab for whatever reasons any political group wants, and articles like these just expand upon government intentions, the revolving fiction around driving the paranoia and conspiracy to the extreme. Whether these were controlled by me or you or them, it really makes little difference - if we destroy these facilities we will be back in the stone age.

 

[ZedRM]

Another is... the Chinese almost faced elimination during their conflict with the Japanese.

I'll admit, Asian history is not my strong suit. Pretty sure what you just said never happened or ever could have happened. I quote James Bond: "There's an old saying were I come from, and you're full of it!"

 

[Squid Surprise]

I'll admit, Asian history is not my strong suit. Pretty sure what you just said never happened or ever could have happened. I quote James Bond: "There's an old saying were I come from, and you're full of it!"

You might want to google 1933 Manchuria before you get all high and mighty then…

 

[ZedRM]

You might want to google 1933 Manchuria before you get all high and mighty then…

LOL! That conflict in no way qualifies in the context of what they said. Military defeat does not equate to

almost faced elimination

that.

In 1933, China's population was easily beyond 30 times the Japanese population and they were spread across the entire landmass. There was no chance at all of the Japanese eliminating the Chinese.

Once again, CONTEXT is important.

 

[Squid Surprise]

LOL! That conflict in no way qualifies in the context of what they said. Military defeat does not equate to

that.

In 1933, China's population was easily beyond 30 times the Japanese population and they were spread across the entire landmass. There was no chance at all of the Japanese eliminating the Chinese.

Once again, CONTEXT is important.

China was not one nation at that time - it was in the middle of a horrific war - and it was losing badly.

There was genuine Chinese fear that they would be subjugated under various foreign powers.

Again, google is your friend here…

 

[ZedRM]

losing badly

That is not the same thing as "faced elimination".

There was genuine Chinese fear that they would be subjugated under various foreign powers.

Fear is not the same as "faced elimination".

Again, google is your friend here…

Again, CONTEXT is our friend.

 

[Squid Surprise]

That is not the same thing as "faced elimination".

Fear is not the same as "faced elimination".

Again, CONTEXT is our friend.

Context is key… if you could put yourself in the context of the Chinese people living then… you might understand that many equated their situation as “facing elimination “

Again - do some research before you simply spout stuff…

 

[ZedRM]

Context is key… if you could put yourself in the context of the Chinese people living then… you might understand that many equated their situation as “facing elimination “

Except that such a notion was needless fear. Solidarity of a people as a national identity does not equate to elimination of a populace.

Perception of a situation does not make it real thing.

So yes, context IS key, isn't it.

Again - do some research before you simply spout stuff…

Make statements that have merit & logic and we can avoid these bouts of conversational gerrymandering.

 

[Squid Surprise]

Except that such a notion was needless fear. Solidarity of a people as a national identity does not equate to elimination of a populace.

Again… speaking in 2025, it seems that there was nothing to fear… but for a Chinese peasant living 100 years ago… CONTEXT is everything…

Perception of a situation does not make it real thing.

Actually, sometimes it does…

So yes, context IS key, isn't it.

Make statements that have merit & logic and we can avoid these bouts of conversational gerrymandering.

Again, do some research…

 

[Xelions]

I'll admit, Asian history is not my strong suit. Pretty sure what you just said never happened or ever could have happened. I quote James Bond: "There's an old saying were I come from, and you're full of it!"

Thanks Squid Surprise for backing it up with a historical event. Remember ZedRM, I mentioned events and the term probability or possibility. Historically we don't actually know how some civilizations were wiped out. In this case with the Japan-China conflict in that time period maybe it would've been unlikely to see a total wipeout, but the culture certainly could've been. We will never actually know. - an interestingly similar event during the previous world wars, Poland, Warsaw is modern city where as Krakow still has ancient buildings intact from before the war.

Just keep in mind that if the Japanese dominated China, we don't see it as it is today. I often ask myself about different probable outcomes, and another that comes to mind, since I live in oz, what happened if the British didn't come here, what happen if the Spanish did. They are known for being brutal, they could've wiped out the indigenous population here and reduced them to a small area, and they could of died out. You never know the possibilities of maybe just how good something is vs how bad it could've of been, or even how much better it could've been.

I do recommend you read up some history though, I wouldn't have suggested unless I had already done so myself.

 

[ZedRM]

Remember ZedRM, I mentioned events and the term probability or possibility.

You said,

the Chinese almost faced elimination during their conflict with the Japanese.

This, which is not even close to being accurate or true. Neither one of you are willing to concede that fact.

Everything else you're saying is noise in the wind..

 

[Xelions]

You said,

This, which is not even close to being accurate or true. Neither one of you are willing to concede that fact.

Everything else you're saying is noise in the wind..

The way I see it, is if a culture, the Chinese, if they were absorbed into another culture the only thing that remains is whatever is preserved and that tends to be very little. From the historical account of the wiki - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_China–Japan_relations - which discusses the fued between the Chinese and the Japanese from 1880-1940s and includes the sino-japanese wars of 1 and 2. I haven't read the whole thing myself but do find it an interesting read. Although it's a different take to WW2 that primarily took place in Europe, I think people tend to forget that both Russia and the Japanese were threats as significant too.

 

[Squid Surprise]

You said,

This, which is not even close to being accurate or true. Neither one of you are willing to concede that fact.

Everything else you're saying is noise in the wind..

You keep refusing to accept a viewpoint other than your own… despite harping on context - which if you understood the meaning of, would clearly mean that the Chinese fear of being eliminated by the Japanese was very real.

And you do this while admitting you know little of Asian history… do some research!!

 

[ZedRM]

The way I see it

But that's not reality. That's just the way you see it. A culture and people do not disappear after a military defeat. Ask the United States, the British, the Spanish, the Russians, the Germans etc, etc, etc.

You keep refusing to accept a viewpoint other than your own…

No. I refuse to accept a perspective and opinion that does not fit with merit and fact.

fear of being eliminated by the Japanese was very real.

Once again, a fear of something does not make it real. Children fear the boogie man or monsters hiding under their bed. That fear does not make either real. So is that fear reality? Or is it needless ignorance?

And you do this while admitting you know little of Asian history…

Pedantic much? Come on, my middle school daughter can debate better than this.

You two can think whatever you want, those thoughts do not reality make. I'm done here.

 

[Squid Surprise]

But that's not reality. That's just the way you see it. A culture and people do not disappear after a military defeat. Ask the United States, the British, the Spanish, the Russians, the Germans etc, etc, etc.

Perception makes reality… and, often, a culture / people DOES disappear after a military defeat. Ask the Assyrians, Phonecians, Babylonians, Carthaginians, Trojans…

No. I refuse to accept a perspective and opinion that does not fit with merit and fact.

It doesn’t fit with YOUR reality perhaps… perspective is key… as is context.

Once again, a fear of something does not make it real. Children fear the boogie man or monsters hiding under their bed. That fear does not make either real. So is that fear reality? Or is it needless ignorance?

Fear of something often DOES make it real. Nuclear winter is kind of like that - do some research as to how close we came to that during the Cuban missile crisis.

Pedantic much? Come on, my middle school daughter can debate better than this.

You two can think whatever you want, those thoughts do not reality make. I'm done here.

I agree - a middle-schooler COULD debate better than you… but alas, you’re all I’ve got to argue against right now.

 

[ZedRM]

Ok then, bye bye now.

 

[Xelions]

But that's not reality. That's just the way you see it. A culture and people do not disappear after a military defeat. Ask the United States, the British, the Spanish, the Russians, the Germans etc, etc, etc.

Haha

You have no idea... I had ancestors in Poland during world war 1 and 2. Some lost everything, including their culture, and identity. Throughout history humanity has lost science, mathematics and culture - some has been recovered but much has been lost to wars, natural disasters, diseases, etc.

I could reference many historical events but with people like you who bury their head in the sand it's not worth it. Most of the information I've referenced here is from wiki or other sources via Google search, history books, etc and I'm simply repeating it.

You actually sound like a zealot. I can understand challenging opinion but when many historians state the same thing about history it's actually not my opinion but their shared research and investigation into those events that took place.