China: Google will face consequences over uncensored search results

[Wolfanoz]

bigclick said:

There is still a cold war on people.

You couldn't be more scarily right and accurate all at the same time. It's funny how certain people will brush it off thinking we have a symbiotic relationship when the fact of the matter is, the clock is ticking towards a major conflict. They continue to hack our systems and steal our secrets from the inside out on a daily basis. You tell me if that's what a symbiotic relationship is?

 

[TorturedChaos]

Personally I hope google is doing this to make a stand for free speech. would be nice to see a company stand for anything other than just $$$$$

 

[Eddo22]

If I was China I'd just ban Google. Yahoo is probably just as good. I've been using alltheweb.com for a long time now and to be honest Google is overrated.

 

[tripplejjj]

If Google wants to help the people of China, it needs to abide by the law. At this point in time, the people of China are better off with censored internet search results. It is better to have information then not to have any. Having Google employees and employers arrested, and its assets confiscated would be the end to services by Google. Of course, people will scream and cry foul at first, then in a couple of day, back to business as usual.

Every mountain starts out small. Google, by itself, is not going to make China free over night or within the next 10 years. Google’s act of defiance isn’t going to make other companies or nations follow in its footstep either. If Google leave China, then others will take its place. It is as simple as that, a status quo.

 

[Thompson]

I can't believe that China can just hold Google at ransom, talk about total control.
Not only do China want to censor their own people but they want an outside company to do it for them and if that company decides that they aren't up for it anymore tough ****.

If there isn't a contract that Google would be breaking then they should just up and leave, they are allowed the freedom to do business as they see fit.

 

[Archean]

Not only do China want to censor their own people but they want an outside company to do it for them

I wish people would have bit more grasp about what they are commenting on; do you think the corporate media in america (or for that matter any where else in the developed world) is actually providing 'free & fair news/reviews etc. etc.' to its audience? It simply isn't, thats probably the biggest farce there is. However, who have let things come to this? It is us, the people, who just stand by and let others dictate, and stuff us with whatever are the 'so called facts' in their views, relegating the actual truths to obscurity. Therefore, in my view, capitalism/imperialism or communism are pretty much same in almost every respect and i.e. they want to control everything, the resources, people, and worst yet choices from which people can make their opinions and forge their path.

 

[Thompson]

Do you think the corporate media in america (or for that matter any where else in the developed world) is actually providing 'free & fair news/reviews etc. etc.' to its audience?

No, I don't.

FOX provides it's own brand of bull and every other station does their own bias reporting, the world keeps spinning because you can watch the station that you want to watch, all the points of view are getting through but you have to do your own editing.

Is this the perfect solution? Of course it isn't, if TV stations actually represented both sides of a debate fairly or at least knew what the heck they were talking about there would be a lot less *****ic people out there.

 

[captaincranky]

Is this the perfect solution? Of course it isn't, if TV stations actually represented both sides of a debate fairly or at least knew what the heck they were talking about there would be a lot less *****ic people out there.

I completely disagree, the *****s exist already, the media just panders to that, it doesn't create it. If TV stations represented both sides of a story equally, a majority of their viewers would be constantly walking around scratching their heads in confusion. I think most of the public needs, wants, and likes to be told what to think. More importantly, they would rather not think, and normally just like to kick back and soak in a BS bath from "Access Hollywood".

We did after all, just languish through 8 long years of a president who for all intents and purposes, wasn't really able form a complete sentence.

 

[Thompson]

I completely disagree, the *****s exist already, the media just panders to that, it doesn't create it. If TV stations represented both sides of a story equally, a majority of their viewers would be constantly walking around scratching their heads in confusion. I think most of the public needs, wants, and likes to be told what to think. More importantly, they would rather not think, and normally just like to kick back and soak in a BS bath from "Access Hollywood".

We did after all, just languish through 8 long years of a president who for all intents and purposes, wasn't really able form a complete sentence.

*Shudders*
You're right, unfortunately there are people who want to be told what to think but there are at least a FEW people who want to see an argument upon which they can form their own opinion.

 

[buendia]

I'd definitely not want to live in that country. They don't even allow people to search the internet without censoring. Geee

 

[Guest]

People are told what to think by the media because it's heavily controlled, the big news networks get their news stories from a few sources such as AP and Reuters. Notice the handlers of both Fox and MSNBC fight with each other on differing political views yet team up together when demonizing people that they label as 'anti-government'.

The only place to get real news is online and the net is exposing government corruption that the corporate media has been told not to report. That's why countries such as US, Australia, etc are scrambling to pass laws to shut down the free internet.

 

[captaincranky]

People are told what to think by the media because it's heavily controlled, the big news networks get their news stories from a few sources such as AP and Reuters. Notice the handlers of both Fox and MSNBC fight with each other on differing political views yet team up together when demonizing people that they label as 'anti-government'.

Everybody is demonizing the media, which is not to say they shouldn't, but the media is responding to the basic state of the people, which is abject apathy and stupidity, The people are sheep, that's why they actually need dictators, kings, and other assorted megalomanics to run their lives, and tell them what to think.

 

[Guest]

Hard facts on why the US needs to be careful with dealing with Google's dispute with China:

Copy, paste, and be amazed:

http://www.usdebtclock.org/

 

[rajmond]

Despite all these "words" from China, I think that Google will handle it!

 

[bigclick]

To first point, I dont remember where I read that study, but it was either in newsweek or portfolio (i'm unsure because its a while since then); anyway, according to that research article about 600 billion dollars are being siphoned away from middle class/poor americans to filthy rich in america; so your argument doesn't make any sense at all.

That does not preclude American companies doing business with China. Walmart tells their suppliers "get your cost down" and how else but cheap labor? Thus having us by the balls. I never said China came over here and forced us to buy their goods..we've been sold out.

https://www.techspot.com/vb/topic144398-2.html

 

[captaincranky]

That does not preclude American companies doing business with China. Walmart tells their suppliers "get your cost down" and how else but cheap labor? Thus having us by the balls. I never said China came over here and forced us to buy their goods..we've been sold out.

Has anybody ever given serious thought to the fact that when we run out of third world areas to exploit for cheap labor, we'll either have to go off planet looking for slaves, or breed our own, ala "Brave New World".

Every labor pool starts out hungry, then gradually becomes more affluent, middle class as it were. Then companies have to look for cheap labor elsewhere. This has already happened to Japan, since many, many things are no longer manufactured on their mainland. Who knows, it could happen to China as well, Trouble is, they have the preponderance of the world's population. So, after China, there's almost nowhere else to go.

BTW Mr. Click; when you edit a quote, close the statement with >> [/QUOTE] <<, it's "way more better" that way.

 

[Yoda8232]

Whoever is controlling China like this should be shot, end of story it's not right.

 

[Archean]

That does not preclude American companies doing business with China. Walmart tells their suppliers "get your cost down" and how else but cheap labor? Thus having us by the balls. I never said China came over here and forced us to buy their goods..we've been sold out.

Captain has already replied very eloquently to this assertion; however, I must add one thing which I forgot to add in the original post i.e. that money is being transferred every decade from poor or middle classes to rich. And, I am not sure anyone else would agree to it or not, but I think this so called economic freedom has turned into economic disorder of sorts, since the Regan presidency; and problems has only been compounded with each presidency, as the main aim is to keep feeding this monster, so they don't get blamed for the mega-bust, whenever it happens, eventually.

 

[captaincranky]

It's probably fair to say that capitalism is causing dictatorship via wealth. There's just a few individuals controlling 90% or so of the worlds wealth. There's no one particular face you can hate for it, but a dictatorship none the less.

Here then, people start to clamor for more government control, but what you wind up with then is "socialism", which is really communism, but cleaned up and in a party dress.

We're sheep, and somebody's going to herd us no matter what. The "Who" said, "meet the new boss, same as the old boss", they couldn't be more right.

The underlying motivation for wanting absolute power, is the fact that those who do are sociopaths

 

[Aneesh]

Its a good dicision by china in all means,because via google products(Google map) we can get in to any palce.Though it is helpfull many others are misusing it even in india terorists using these maps and they can easily blast any place.And so it is the time to STOp over smartness of google and google products.

 

[Archean]

It's probably fair to say that capitalism is causing dictatorship via wealth. There's just a few individuals controlling 90% or so of the worlds wealth. There's no one particular face you can hate for it, but a dictatorship none the less.

Here then, people start to clamor for more government control, but what you wind up with then is "socialism", which is really communism, but cleaned up and in a party dress.

We're sheep, and somebody's going to herd us no matter what. The "Who" said, "meet the new boss, same as the old boss", they couldn't be more right.

The underlying motivation for wanting absolute power, is the fact that those who do are sociopaths

I would agree with most of these points; however, I think what the french / britts / canadians / germans / norway / finland etc. etc. has done is come up with a socio-capitalist mix, which is much better option; people get all the services they need from government, whereas they have the same free-economy principles. And most importantly, people do get out in numbers whenever their governments try to do something stupid. Funnily enough, people in these countries are living more happier and longer life

If you take just one example, that is, insurance industry, they funnel hundreds of millions of dollars just to terrify people about health care services unlike like these countries, where people have government run but excellently managed healthcare system, why? just so they can deny majority of the genuine cases of any treatment, and increase their profits. Such an dastardly face of so called 'free choice' for the sake of corporate profits.

 

[captaincranky]

What's really scary is the "American Petroleum Institute" lobbying against itself being taxed on national TV. They find a few flunkies to say basically, "oil companies having to pay taxes is bad for the economy". And Exxon Mobile made 27 or so billion dollars lst year. Wow, that's capitalism run amok.

I don't know if you ever heard Jackson Browne's song "Lives in the Balance", but you owe it to yourself to listen to that. It puts this topic into perspective, very succinctly.

 

[Archean]

American Petroleum Institute (Pros-ti-tute) has been doing this for ages. Alright, thanks Captain, I will do that.

 

[pyari]

the one and only reason is its human resource.....the world most populated country is try to threaten to other world with out our economy and man power non other are survive.......don't mess with us. do as what we wanna do?

 

[AimHigh99]

I can't wait to see how this unfolds. At this point, Google only stands to lose a little bit of market share by going against the Chinese government. But in the process, they show the world that Google is indeed following their founders' motto."Don't be evil."