Chinese scientists working on Coronavirus treatment identify "extremely effective" antibodies

Skjorn

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I don’t consider a tetrahedron “weird” and I also don’t consider it overpriced.

The Core i9 Extreme and 2080Ti I upgraded to was overpriced however.
To epeen or not to epeen. You called your computer chair a "racing chair" Lmao. Not really a tetrahedron either but ok.
 
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stewi0001

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Ok, I grant you that. The body needs small doses of Vitamin C to help its immune system to function. Scurvy is the lack of Vitamin C, so an orange or orange juice is good there. You should be getting that through a normal diet. But the fad of taking Vitamin C supplements, many of which boast of being equivalent to 20 oranges (2000mg) is pointless. There is no evidence that such a dose will prevent you getting even a common cold, never mind the coronavirus, and it could even be harmful in some cases. Yet many people take the supplement daily "to keep colds away".
Source: https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-vitamin-c-myth.html
I did not know you were referring to supplements. Those are basically expensive pee since the digestive system will not absorb most of it. But as to what I originally stated, they are doing an IV so it is going directly into the blood stream.
 
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amstech

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YAMAHA is from Japan knucklehead
Lol, this is true!
They do have factories in China though, think its just for Guitar's though.
I've had a 2001 Raptor 660, 2004 Bruin 350, 2008 Rhino 450, 2009 Nytro XTX, 2014 Viper XTX, and I just picked up a mint 2002 Grizzly 660 with 60 hours and 175 miles, plan on keeping this quad for awhile, plows my driveway very well.
Love my Yammies, they just run and run and run.
 

10thDmenxn

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Two things. First, anyone stupid enough to take anything the Chinese Government has to say as factual, going forward, deserve what they get... Second, the Chinese have had a cure all along, as they've been developing this virus for many years. It did NOT come from a wet market, as NEW papers have been circulating the web over the last few days from a few research institutes and one of their major universities, proving that those particular bats have not been in those wet markets for years. BUT, that there are two laboratories within a close distance to those wet markets in Wuhan, which have been studying these very bats... That's where the virus came from. While there are more than 100 sources of this information now, here is just one of the easier ones to find:
 
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QuantumPhysics

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To epeen or not to epeen. You called your computer chair a "racing chair" Lmao. Not really a tetrahedron either but ok.

If you really wanna squabble over the name I gave to a chair, I can either hit the ignore button on your profile or you can hit the ignore button on mine.

But either way, this nonsense ends right now.
 

Skjorn

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If you really wanna squabble over the name I gave to a chair, I can either hit the ignore button on your profile or you can hit the ignore button on mine.

But either way, this nonsense ends right now.
I wasn't squabbling about what you called it. Just pointing out the fact that Google searches for racing chairs brings up "gamer" chairs. Just thought it was kinda funny. Then you told me to look at your profile pic for some reason.
 

10thDmenxn

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Two things. First, anyone stupid enough to take anything the Chinese Government has to say as factual, going forward, deserve what they get... Second, the Chinese have had a cure all along, as they've been developing this virus for many years. It did NOT come from a wet market, as NEW papers have been circulating the web over the last few days from a few research institutes and one of their major universities, proving that those particular bats have not been in those wet markets for years. BUT, that there are two laboratories within a close distance to those wet markets in Wuhan, which have been studying these very bats... That's where the virus came from. While there are more than 100 sources of this information now, here is just one of the easier ones to find:
In the beginning people like myself who have been posting warnings that the Chinese government is PURPOSELY LYING about how it started, when it started and the numbers of cases and deaths, were previously called conspirators, and extremists... But since those early days, everything we have been posting has come true, bit by bit. Not one thing that I've posted thus far has been proven inaccurate. In fact, over 85% of it has been proven to be empirical fact. Please realize, that I am not posting to stir pots, or stew emotions. I'm posting because the truth is VITAL to have we move forward, and to get people to realize how dangerous it is to continue buying Chinese products. We, as a country, need to break our dependencies on allowing China to manufacture more than 90% of our goods and medicines. It's NOT sustainable! Now they have shown just how inhumane and volatile they can be. They do NOT respect human life, ethics or fairness in anything.
 
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QuantumPhysics

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I wasn't squabbling about what you called it. Just pointing out the fact that Google searches for racing chairs brings up "gamer" chairs. Just thought it was kinda funny. Then you told me to look at your profile pic for some reason.

So what's it going to be?
 

Skjorn

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So what's it going to be?
What's what? I didn't ask what they look like. I just asked if you had a real racing bucket from China or a gamer chair from China.
If you talmbout the ignore question then nah, I don't need to censor anything, doesn't bother me. Don't really like censorship.
 
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wiyosaya

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one person? you understand chloroquine is in short supply because of hundreds of thousands of people buying it? There are side effects with other common drugs:
  • tell your doctor and pharmacist what prescription and nonprescription medications you are taking, especially acetaminophen (Tylenol, others), cimetidine (Tagamet), iron products, isoniazid (Nydrazid), kaolin, magnesium trisilicate (Gaviscon), methotrexate (Rheumatrex), niacin, rifampin (Rifadin, Rimactane), and vitamins and herbal products.
  • tell your doctor if you have or have ever had liver disease, G-6-PD deficiency, hearing problems, porphyria or other blood disorders, psoriasis, vision changes, weakness in your knees and ankles, or if you drink large amounts of alcohol.

Since 2005
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What were your credentials again for saying about superstitious and quick to believe?
2005?
 
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Athlonite

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Ou can't even trust the Chinese Communist Party to report their Covid-19 stats correctly so why would you trust this it's probably just Covid-19 with gene resequencing so it only affects non Chinese people and is 100% Lethal
 

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Hydroxychloroquine rated 'most effective therapy' by doctors for coronavirus: Global survey Washington Times headline

37% of those treating COVID-19 patients rated hydroxychloroquine as the “most effective therapy” from a list of 15 options.

most commonly prescribed treatments are analgesics (56%), azithromycin (41%) and hydroxychloroquine (33%).

Azithromycin, known by the brand name Zithromax or Z-Pak, was rated the second-most effective therapy at 32%, followed by “nothing,” analgesics (including acetaminophen), anti-HIV drugs and cough medicine.

Hydroxychloroquine usage was most widespread in Spain, where 72% of physicians surveyed said they had prescribed it, followed by Italy at 49%, and least popular in Japan, where 7% had used it to treat COVID-19.


As always, the devil is in the details since there isn't anything else widely available. Still....
 
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Hydroxychloroquine rated 'most effective therapy' by doctors for coronavirus: Global survey Washington Times headline

37% of those treating COVID-19 patients rated hydroxychloroquine as the “most effective therapy” from a list of 15 options.

most commonly prescribed treatments are analgesics (56%), azithromycin (41%) and hydroxychloroquine (33%).

Azithromycin, known by the brand name Zithromax or Z-Pak, was rated the second-most effective therapy at 32%, followed by “nothing,” analgesics (including acetaminophen), anti-HIV drugs and cough medicine.

Hydroxychloroquine usage was most widespread in Spain, where 72% of physicians surveyed said they had prescribed it, followed by Italy at 49%, and least popular in Japan, where 7% had used it to treat COVID-19.


As always, the devil is in the details since there isn't anything else widely available. Still....
Thanks for the info. That contradicts the advice I've seen online but I guess the doctors are getting desparate and have to try something. As long as people are not self-medicating with it, until it's declared a safe and effective treatment.
 
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Capaill

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I did not know you were referring to supplements. Those are basically expensive pee since the digestive system will not absorb most of it. But as to what I originally stated, they are doing an IV so it is going directly into the blood stream.
From what I've read, administering extreme doses of Vitamin C through IV is part of an ongoing trial and they are not expected to publish results until September.
 
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Yynxs

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Other thoughts, low tech:

All of our efforts ameliorating coronavirus are based on sterilization (alcohol and soap). There was an article that even Purel will only work on clean hands/surfaces and should not be considered safe in person to person where fluids or dirt is involved. We can't seem to get enough gloves to change out constantly until production and delivery ramps up.

The coronavirus persistence descriptors: 24 hours on cardboard, days to weeks on plastic and waterresistant paint on walls of ships indicates a requirement for moisture encapsulation to continue to live.

Heavy brine solution has been used for millenia to preserve foods from bacterial growth. As anyone who has driven on salted roads knows, it collects on metal, glass, and plastic surfaces as a salt coating and must be washed or rinsed with lots of water for removal.

Painting non-corroding surfaces; floors, walls, wood, varnished, etc. with heavy brine solution should leave a thin layer of salt that will affect both mucosal and water excretions.

If coronavirus requires moisture to survive/persist on surfaces, then some immediate checking should be done to see if a brine surface coating would reduce the virus survival time on those surfaces. I don't have any or I would tell you the efficacy.

Like I said, other thoughts.
 

Charles Olson

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Hydroxychloroquine rated 'most effective therapy' by doctors for coronavirus: Global survey Washington Times headline

37% of those treating COVID-19 patients rated hydroxychloroquine as the “most effective therapy” from a list of 15 options.

most commonly prescribed treatments are analgesics (56%), azithromycin (41%) and hydroxychloroquine (33%).

Azithromycin, known by the brand name Zithromax or Z-Pak, was rated the second-most effective therapy at 32%, followed by “nothing,” analgesics (including acetaminophen), anti-HIV drugs and cough medicine.

Hydroxychloroquine usage was most widespread in Spain, where 72% of physicians surveyed said they had prescribed it, followed by Italy at 49%, and least popular in Japan, where 7% had used it to treat COVID-19.


As always, the devil is in the details since there isn't anything else widely available. Still....
Washington times is hardly reliable and this is all taken from a survey or poll and we all know how exact polls and surveys turned out for the 2016 elections !
 

Yynxs

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Always fascinating to hear people speak who don't study their enemies, just mouth their objections. Poll wasn't done by the times as the article states. Poll gives information about 15 questions asked. No comment here on the questions asked and whether they constitute false assumptions or shaded conclusions, and if so/or not do those affect the results. There are only innuendo statements about the reporter. TDS-CD at it's best. Perhaps another Chinese export expresses it better:

"If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle." ― Sun Tzu, The Art of War.

As for reliability, I find the Washington Times reporting to be quite accurate even when not compared to the likes of CNN, MSNBC, CBS, NBC, NYT, WaPo, LA Times, etc. etc. etc. There are opinions expressed there but they're expressed by clearly labeled opinion people.

Crud attribution again:
 

Charles Olson

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Always fascinating to hear people speak who don't study their enemies, just mouth their objections. Poll wasn't done by the times as the article states. Poll gives information about 15 questions asked. No comment here on the questions asked and whether they constitute false assumptions or shaded conclusions, and if so/or not do those affect the results. There are only innuendo statements about the reporter. TDS-CD at it's best. Perhaps another Chinese export expresses it better:

"If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle." ― Sun Tzu, The Art of War.

As for reliability, I find the Washington Times reporting to be quite accurate even when not compared to the likes of CNN, MSNBC, CBS, NBC, NYT, WaPo, LA Times, etc. etc. etc. There are opinions expressed there but they're expressed by clearly labeled opinion people.

Crud attribution again:
Seems a bit questionable for reliability but I guess even a broken clock is right a few times a day !
" Although the Washington Times has a very strong right editorial bias, they report straight news with a much lower bias. Therefore, we rate them Right-Center biased overall. We also rate them borderline questionable and factually mixed due to poor sourcing, holding editorial positions that are contrary to scientific consensus, and numerous failed fact checks. (7/18/2016) Updated (M. Huitsing 03/09/2020) "
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/washington-times/

As always, the devil is in the details
 

Yynxs

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Seems a bit questionable for reliability but I guess even a broken clock is right a few times a day !
" Although the Washington Times has a very strong right editorial bias, they report straight news with a much lower bias. Therefore, we rate them Right-Center biased overall. We also rate them borderline questionable and factually mixed due to poor sourcing, holding editorial positions that are contrary to scientific consensus, and numerous failed fact checks. (7/18/2016) Updated (M. Huitsing 03/09/2020) "
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/washington-times/

As always, the devil is in the details
yep. because that particular source has no agenda in your eyes either and the details as you note: they report straight news with a much lower bias. Therefore, we rate them Right-Center biased overall.
I'm guessing the center of the political spectrum is not who you agree with.

The statements about knowing your enemy still stand. I read the others, sometimes facepalming on the outright lies, but still reading. And the poll still wasn't done by the Wash Times.
 

Charles Olson

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yep. because that particular source has no agenda in your eyes either and the details as you note: they report straight news with a much lower bias. Therefore, we rate them Right-Center biased overall.
I'm guessing the center of the political spectrum is not who you agree with.

The statements about knowing your enemy still stand. I read the others, sometimes facepalming on the outright lies, but still reading. And the poll still wasn't done by the Wash Times.
Oh if you only could of read one more line ! " We also rate them borderline questionable and factually mixed due to poor sourcing, holding editorial positions that are contrary to scientific consensus, and numerous failed fact checks. (7/18/2016) Updated (M. Huitsing 03/09/2020) " I never said the poll was done by the Washington Times but will give them kudos for providing the link to it !
 

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Oh if you only could of read one more line ! " We also rate them borderline questionable and factually mixed due to poor sourcing, holding editorial positions that are contrary to scientific consensus, and numerous failed fact checks. (7/18/2016) Updated (M. Huitsing 03/09/2020) " I never said the poll was done by the Washington Times but will give them kudos for providing the link to it !
What you said was: Washington times is hardly reliable and this is all taken from a survey or poll and we all know how exact polls and surveys turned out for the 2016 elections ! and that was replied to including your own "proof" that someone, with their own agenda, considers them reporting "straight news" with less bias. The rating has no meaning because of the quality of the rater. You could ask Jim Acosta and get something similar. But it is your source for your opinion.

As for "...holding editorial positions that are contrary to scientific consensus..." that's actually as ironic as you can post. People here were posting about the Chinese Coronavirus and the deathrates and what they meant in full opposition to "scientific consensus" for weeks before it was national news. Perhaps they should start their own media rating websites because they've already been shown to be correct.

As for other subjects with 'scientific consensus', you probably should start reading some of the posts here on whichever one you think there is consensus on. It's an informed group. Maybe you'll see something the "scientific consensus" hasn't shown you. Probably not, but maybe.

Badmouthing the reporter and dodging around doesn't lower the report on the survey nor invalidate the survey. Still waiting on that note.
 

Charles Olson

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You expressed your opinion on this drug and then backed it up with the linked washington times article and failed to point out that it was all based on a poll or survey ! But when I expressed my opinion that it was not reliable ! OK OK I get it only your opinion matters and no one else is allowed to express one ! Go try your miracle drug and see how that works out for you then report back !