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Copyright holders can no longer manually take YouTube creator revenue for brief music...

By Polycount · 17 replies
Aug 17, 2019
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  1. Before we get into that, some context: the Content ID system allows copyright holders to look for matches between their content and the audio or video of various YouTube clips.

    If a match is found, copyright holders are given several options to handle the situation: they can ignore it (which rarely happens), mute any audio that matches their music, block the entire video from being viewed, and run (or continue to run) ads on the video and snag the revenue for themselves.

    Naturally, this is a controversial system. Many YouTubers have had their revenue swiped for including just a few seconds of a copyright holder's content. In some rarer cases, YouTubers report that they've received Content ID claims for merely singing or speaking some song lyrics.

    So, how is YouTube addressing this? As their announcement blog post states, the company will block copyright holders from using the Manual Claim Content ID tool to monetize entire videos that contain "very short" or "unintentional" uses of music. An example of unintentional use could be a video blogger recording a clip in a store with music playing in the background.

    Unfortunately, this news is bittersweet. Yes, copyright holders can no longer monetize videos for including short pieces of copyrighted material, but they still might choose to block monetization outright (while leaving the video up) or even prevent the video from being seen by anyone.

    "We acknowledge that these changes may result in more blocked content in the near-term, but we feel this is an important step toward striking the right balance over the long-term,"

    YouTube is aware of this possibility. "We acknowledge that these changes may result in more blocked content in the near-term, but we feel this is an important step toward striking the right balance over the long-term," the company stated.

    In other words, YouTube seems to be hoping that copyright holders will eventually give up when they realize they can't earn potentially-significant amounts of money for minor copyright infractions.

    Only time will tell whether or not that gambit will pay off. For the sake of creators everywhere, we hope this decision doesn't backfire. Of course, it's worth noting that creators can still dispute Content ID claims if they so choose.

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  2. Nero7

    Nero7 TS Evangelist Posts: 498   +236

    Honestly the whole issue comes from Youtubers thinking that Youtube is a career and that they should make money with it.

    Just don't. Money taints everything and causes only problems.

    I miss the old Youtube where people had gorgeous profiles and creativity and individuality. The content was also better. I am having such a hardtime finding anything original worth watching on the platform.

    But I guess this is a win?

    Youtube is a great example of the tremendous control and power of Google. Usually when a platform gets bad people go to an alternative. But not here.

    Classic Game's Room tried to do it right by only uploading trailers to Youtube and the real video was on their Website. Nobody came over.

    Google/Facebook/Amazon wanted to completely replace the internet. Their aim was to devour it. People would downright refuse to leave their eco system.

    If it wasn't for Porn, the power that decided the VHS wars, most people would probably not even know about the Internet being more than just those 3 websites.
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  3. psycros

    psycros TS Evangelist Posts: 2,825   +2,672

    You forgot the most valueless site in existence, Twitter. Its probably THE best example of everything that's wrong with online society. You know a popular site is garbage when you can't find anyone who admits to using it.
    lumbeeman and Polycount like this.
  4. Nero7

    Nero7 TS Evangelist Posts: 498   +236

    Yeah I can understand the reason you mention twitter. It gets a pass from me for reasons.

    Where else do people show their true colors? Where else can uncomfortable news like Clinton in a blue dress be spread around the globe?

    Like when you see who makes your favorite game Mass Effect: https://twitter.com/TCOrderSwtor/status/843227208881725440

    Especially hilarious are german politicians on Twitter when they use it in their free time to openly brag about support for terrorist group Antifa or that Germany needs to be destroyed.

    Twitter has continuously entertained me when sites embed it. I am not on twitter thou.

    And hey occasionally I do like to know what some people are into or whats trending in some areas.

    That said, I know little about it. I can barely judge it.
    Last edited: Aug 17, 2019
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  5. Plutoisaplanet

    Plutoisaplanet TS Booster Posts: 110   +82

    See Doug DeMuro. He’s a perfect example of a longtime YouTuber who was doing it on the side to complement other content he was creating, and after getting big enough he realized it could be his career. He released a video overview of mindset history here:
    Last edited: Aug 17, 2019
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  6. lexster

    lexster TS Guru Posts: 619   +299

    You're not looking then. There's plenty of quality to be found. Like everywhere else in life, it's mixed in with all the shallow fluff and rubbish.
  7. Nero7

    Nero7 TS Evangelist Posts: 498   +236

    Maybe I am not looking hard enough indeed. That Youtube is trying hard to hide quality content to show me sponsored content isn't helping.

    I download every good video I find and that interests me. Once too often was it deleted.
    Milest and lexster like this.
  8. lexster

    lexster TS Guru Posts: 619   +299

    The smaller channels are often the better ones. But some of the big ones are good too.
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  9. QuantumPhysics

    QuantumPhysics TS Evangelist Posts: 1,622   +1,219


    When I'm recording videos in public and my videos get small amounts of music in the background, I've had to delete or edit entire videos because the copyright RUINED my video.

    Now I'm coming for every single dime baby!!!
  10. Nobina

    Nobina TS Evangelist Posts: 2,044   +1,560

    That's the natural way of things. Money has to come in at some point. The only way "forward" for YouTube was to make it as a job because if you're investing a lot of time in doing something there's no reason why you shouldn't earn some money for it. You can't make a successful platform where people do things for free and only out of love for something. They don't make people like that anymore.
    Andromadus and lumbeeman like this.
  11. Nero7

    Nero7 TS Evangelist Posts: 498   +236

    You misunderstand something. These platforms deliberately target and destroy all other websites. Instead of you having a choice of writing on your website or being a newspaper, you have to have your content inside their bubble or you go down.

    And as recent news uncovered search engines such as google blacklisted and downvoted websites by arbitrary internal rules. Effectively shadowbanning them. Ads which are essential to the survival of such sites would also abandon you due to analythics.

    It would even downright lie to you.

  12. QuantumPhysics

    QuantumPhysics TS Evangelist Posts: 1,622   +1,219

    MONEY is the only reason I do youtube. I earn enough on Youtube to pay for both my car notes and their insurance on a monthly basis. I take vacations with upgraded flights with Youtube money.

    I have Chinese merchants sending me free stuff to advertise on my channel. Car parts, tires, dashcams, strobe lights...a wine fridge that woulda cost $300...

    If you are big on Youtube and have a large fan base, the merchants literally just give you stuff and wanna partner with you.

    Youtubing has opened doors for me that wouldn't be otherwise.

    Content has absolutely improved and the whole idea of personalizing channels is part of the reason cable TV has lost so many viewers. I can watch brand new content when I want and how I want.

    Your view of Youtube is narrowminded and I bet if you were earning money on it, you would not think the way you're thinking.
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  13. Nero7

    Nero7 TS Evangelist Posts: 498   +236

    Yes, right now you profit from it. You're even one of the lucky few that made it to the point of benefiting greatly from it.

    I envy you.

    But seen as a whole, it is a bad development of things. Just wait till you make a video or two that make you fall out of favor.
  14. seefizzle

    seefizzle TS Evangelist Posts: 419   +290

    Ad revenue should be held in escrow if there is a conflict. This would also necessitate a proper dispute mechanism which would normally be the job of a court system. In a global world, how can someone in a different country take another person to court over a youtube video? It's basically impossible.

    The whole system is jacked. My 11 year old kid has had copyright claims on videos he posted of music he created himself in an app.

    I personally create my own music and am terrified of putting it on Youtube for fear of bogus copyright claims and the headaches that would ensue. I'm terrified just in general that some minor slice of my music might incur some kind of weird copyright claim.

    The music copyright landscape right now is all sorts of jacked up.
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  15. Slappy McPhee

    Slappy McPhee TS Addict Posts: 167   +86

    I can completely identify. I was a house/euro/hi-nrg DJ for 20 years. I got into my own music/track production around 2012. I had tried to upload my tracks on YouTube and they constantly got taken. I began to methodically have the same thing happen on soundcloud. In 2016 I decided to finally call it quits after attempting to put together a 14 track album and it kept getting walloped by copywrite trolls even though my tracks were original not to mention how disgusting in general the EDM space has become.
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  16. seefizzle

    seefizzle TS Evangelist Posts: 419   +290

    I'm currently wondering about only uploading only to Spotify, itunes, google play, pandora etc. I don't hear the same horror stories from those websites pertaining to copyright. Not in the same fashion as Youtube and Soundcloud. Do you have any experience in this space?
  17. Bp968

    Bp968 TS Booster Posts: 110   +81

    So I love capitalism and am not a fool who thinks equality means no one is rich.

    But I do think its both sad and frustrating how the richer/popular you are the more free stuff people give you. A popular star or influencer gets far more stuff than they could ever use. Everyone wants to give them something in the hopes it swings a little their way.

    As depressing as the system can be, its still the best humanity has at the moment.
  18. Nero7

    Nero7 TS Evangelist Posts: 498   +236

    The current system has nothing to do with capitalism. Also, the rich getting richer and the poorer getting poorer has always been utterly extreme in Socialism.

    Capitalism is the most humane form of an economic system because it allows you to earn your way up. Watch a Henry Ford documentary. You work in a car factory and you are able to afford a car.

    The current system in place can only be described as satanism.

    Within the next 2 months (possibly Brexit) or sooner (Hong Kong) world economy will crash and go down. Then Crypto Capitalism will take over and rise like a phoenix from the ashes to usher in a new era of peace, prosperity and freedom.
    Last edited: Aug 19, 2019

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