Desert land in India to host renewable energy park 5 times bigger than Paris

[Endymio]

This isn't great, but much less that building strikes

Raptors -- eagles, condors, other endangered species -- aren't dying by hitting skyscrapers in urban areas -- they live in remote rural areas where wind farms are built. And the number of those birds affected is already high, and will rise far higher if we do what environmentalists suggest, and quadruple our wind energy production.

The problem is so bad, in fact, that some farms are starting to be equipped with special sensors to shut down the wind turbines if a large bird is detected in the region. A nice idea -- but further erodes the extremely low capacity-factor of wind farms (20% to 35%, compared to 95% for sources like nuclear).

Birds can tolerate heat, quite well,but in the last few years many dying in heat strokes

Millions of Baby Birds Are Dying from Extreme Heat

Worsening heat waves in agricultural areas of the U.S. are affecting bird reproduction and nestling survival

www.scientificamerican.com

Pseudoscience article. Read the details, and you see that the actual effect is the bird's lower reproductive success in unshaded farmland vs. shaded forest. True enough, but the article then states that the problem will "get worse as agricultural land continues to expand." Except the exact opposite is happening -- in the US, and most other nations of the world, cleared farmland is decreasing, while net wooded area is increasing. Oops!

When you're older, you'll hopefully have a better perspective on fear tactics like this. In the 1960s, the scare de jure was the "Silent Spring", due to pesticides killing every bird on the planet. No birds to sing each spring. Oops!

The fact is that more birds die each year from cold weather than from heat. Not from direct freezing to death (though that does happen) but more due to the difficulty of finding food supplies in extremely cold weather.

 

[kiwigraeme]

Raptors -- eagles, condors, other endangered species -- aren't dying by hitting skyscrapers in urban areas -- they live in remote rural areas where wind farms are built. And the number of those birds affected is already high, and will rise far higher if we do what environmentalists suggest, and quadruple our wind energy production.

The problem is so bad, in fact, that some farms are starting to be equipped with special sensors to shut down the wind turbines if a large bird is detected in the region. A nice idea -- but further erodes the extremely low capacity-factor of wind farms (20% to 35%, compared to 95% for sources like nuclear).



Pseudoscience article. Read the details, and you see that the actual effect is the bird's lower reproductive success in unshaded farmland vs. shaded forest. True enough, but the article then states that the problem will "get worse as agricultural land continues to expand." Except the exact opposite is happening -- in the US, and most other nations of the world, cleared farmland is decreasing, while net wooded area is increasing. Oops!

When you're older, you'll hopefully have a better perspective on fear tactics like this. In the 1960s, the scare de jure was the "Silent Spring", due to pesticides killing every bird on the planet. No birds to sing each spring. Oops!

The fact is that more birds die each year from cold weather than from heat. Not from direct freezing to death (though that does happen) but more due to the difficulty of finding food supplies in extremely cold weather.

I just grab one example . I read science mags for fun. I not trying to cherry pick a narrative to back my point. Lots of articles about birds dropping out of sky from heat stroke. You know, everyone who wants to learn knows it.
We all want turbines to kill less birds, finding ways to mitigate/ameliorate this is important. Some skyrises have phenomenal kill rates due to their design eg clear glass on both sides.

Yes global warming if cherry picked for a political agenda can have some good outcomes.

But mostly for birds, fish , most species of mammals it's mostly negative.

Eg warmer water is not great for fish, lower oxygen, greater acidification etc . All the great fishing areas are in cold waters, plankton one of the fundamentals of the food chain loves cold water.

It's important to have renewable energy, the cost of climate change is already massive. many people now unable to get or afford insurance. The water cycle in many countries is not unstable.

All of us know every form of energy production has downsides - whether solar, wind, whatever.

The effects are dramatic at the moment. This can be massively exacerbated in any of the myriad of tipping points happens.
Eg as I mentioned the tropic forests the other day. tropical leaves die over 47 degrees Celsius , they have been shown to have no resilience, due to being in an incredibly stable environment they help control for so long. If too much deforestation of the Amazon happens if means the rest can easily go ( again the water cycle ) , this would create desert and dust storms.

I really have no interested in propaganda or cherry picked facts to support some narrative. I'm interested in the truth , the science whether good or bad.

Highways have good and bad as well, heat sink , animals die crossing or cutting of parcels of land, access to pristine areas opening them up to be exploited and hunted, yet on the verge quite a diverse microcosm from CO2 car exhaust ,food thrown out of cars etc

Here in NZ with pest eradication , modern life , farming practices we have to consider how not to poison our native birds. Still make some hard decisions, eg better a few birds to get poisoned and kill millions of possums/rats who kill the young, or eat the eggs , tor kill the native trees etc

 

[Endymio]

I read science mags for fun.... Lots of articles about birds dropping out of sky from heat stroke.

Read, but not comprehend. And the article you cited is not about "birds dropping out ot sky from heat stroke", but birds breeding better in forested areas than farmlands.

For nearly all of the last 200 million years, CO2 levels were higher than the current 400ppm level, yet bird populations were even higher. And during the early Carboniferous, CO2 levels topped 8,000ppm (20X today's levels) yet that was perhaps the most biologically diverse period in earth's history.

Eg warmer water is not great for fish, All the great fishing areas are in cold waters

LOL, what? According to official UN FAO statistics, the three largest fisheries are the Indian Ocean (12.22M tons), the Pacific Central (13.26M tons) and the Pacific Northwest (19.1M tons). But despite the "Northwest" term, that last fishery stretches all the way down to Vietnam, South China, and the Northern Philippines. All three fisheries are primarily warm-water regions.

And these figures don't count "inland waters". In that category, the top ten fisheries are, in order from largest to smallest:

India
China
Bangladesh
Myanmar
Uganda
Indonesia
Cambodia
Tanzania
Nigeria
Egypt

None of which are "cold water" regions.

 

[kiwigraeme]

Read, but not comprehend. And the article you cited is not about "birds dropping out ot sky from heat stroke", but birds breeding better in forested areas than farmlands.

For nearly all of the last 200 million years, CO2 levels were higher than the current 400ppm level, yet bird populations were even higher. And during the early Carboniferous, CO2 levels topped 8,000ppm (20X today's levels) yet that was perhaps the most biologically diverse period in earth's history.


LOL, what? According to official UN FAO statistics, the three largest fisheries are the Indian Ocean (12.22M tons), the Pacific Central (13.26M tons) and the Pacific Northwest (19.1M tons). But despite the "Northwest" term, that last fishery stretches all the way down to Vietnam, South China, and the Northern Philippines. All three fisheries are primarily warm-water regions.

And these figures don't count "inland waters". In that category, the top ten fisheries are, in order from largest to smallest:

India
China
Bangladesh
Myanmar
Uganda
Indonesia
Cambodia
Tanzania
Nigeria
Egypt

None of which are "cold water" regions.

The fishing figures you said for marine catch couldn't find. Parts of Indian Ocean cooler as well. Lots of overfishing and poor monitoring in the warmer waters .

Those warmer water fish are also being affected by the warming of the water , acification , lower oxygen levels.

I did find 40% of world catch is pacific ocean, China , Russian and other nationalities head to Southern waters to poach , they hide and obfuscate

Western lakes , water ways are for recreational fishing . it's great Africans can fish there lakes as Africa struggles with sufficient proteins, add beans and peanuts etc. But again not all rainbows and roses, with uneven rainfall etc.

Mankind is resourceful and with marine farms for shrimp , algae , they can look after itself mostly.

That oceans are warming affects fish not just for humans , but animals and birds in the food chain . The oxygen cycle etc a lot of it's from the ocean with phytoplankton at least 50%

Anyway thanks I enjoy my quick reading just now on the WWW

As we are entering the fastest known warming periods , it is going to bring about instabilities and the continuation of the sixth extinction period which is man made , at least 100 times normal background rate.

There are going to be winners and losers . Whether you care about the poor, biodiversity or just your grand children , the science is mostly settled that CO2 ( known as greenhouse gas easily over a 160 years ago and undisputed still ) we have an invested interest to reduce it.
That actually cost to reduce it, is not even going to be that much of a hardship. Humans can adapt to some extra prices , by changing habits , using new ways quite easily. We adapted to everything else easily enough.

Fish farms is a good example , though they have definite cons, it's a good source of protein , employment and can be made sustainable

World population should peak not too far away and start declining as well

Like you said coal fired power stations have their drawbacks

Doing things a smarter way is a win win. No one except greedy people want polluted water ways , huge toxic land fills etc ( especially as many vulnerable to floods etc )
Solar farms are now being mult land use.
People are finding ways to deter bird strikes on buildings or turbines . Sometimes maybe placement was wrong.

You from what you said live in Ireland, myself in NZ, we are very lucky indeed. Us chatting won't change anything. Most action now is not at a personal level , but governmental
Plus it's a multi faceted problem , you have to address other concerns as well , eg poverty, lack of education especially for girls. To stop population growth and get buy in

Some of the things happening is crazy, chopping down Amazon for little short term reward, those cattle farmers need the Amazon for rainfall . As it produces a huge "sky" river
Rhino poachers make practically not a lot. Instead the profit goes to the middlemen and crime bosses

This period of human history will seem wasteful and out of balance.
Sustainability will be just so accepted as the norm in the future

If it wasn't for the innocent , nature- I would not care that much, as some of us are making our own bed