Destiny 2 Benchmarked: 30 GPUs Tested

[Kirky]

http://www.pcgamer.com/our-destiny-2-performance-analysis-confirms-the-game-is-legit-on-pc/

Read this. It will stop the "unfair" OC moaning. Stock intel i5 and i7 beat all ryzen chips including the TR. Even the overclocked i3 manages to beat all of them at 1080 and 1440, almost matching the i5 and i7.

Exactly. If that doesn't tell you that there is something wrong with the current state of the game (don't forget that it's still in beta) then nothing will I guess. Oh, look, the Ryzen lineup loses to Intel in a game where an oc'ed i3 is embarrassingly close to an oc'ed i7.

Apparently, it doesn't use any threads, seeing how an oc'ed i5 beats an i7.

No need to get defensive over Ryzen. I just stated facts that the overclock produces very little gains for the intel lineup with the exception of the i3 so the overclocking arguments are null and void. I never said the game wasn't broken, it obviously is, but these are the current facts on how the game runs on an AMD chip. Techspot did Ryzen a favour by not publishing stock clock figures. And the reason it uses a low thread count is that it is DX11 based which is optimised for 4 threads. If you search the internet you'll find articles on DX11 and DX12 thread count advantages. DX11 sees very little gains over 4 threads and DX12 sees little gains over 8 threads. Intel chips happen to have faster IPC so benefit in DX11 games.

In fact here is a link to one such article.
http://www.pcworld.com/article/3039...es-you-really-need-for-directx-12-gaming.html

 

[AntiShill]

Clearly you are an AMD hater or an Intel fanboy or both. Especially with the comment of "Why does AMD think it is ok to screw the gamers" That comment is incredibly ignorant. How long has Intel been price gouging gamers? In fact when was the last time Intel actually cared about Gamers?.....

Intel overpricing is famous. Anyone who is not "poorly educated" can tell that Intel's extreme edition anythings is basically an excuse to milk the silly gamers. And when AMD copies Intel's terrible behavior, they are just as bad if NOT worse. I am no Intel fan nor am I an AMD hater. I just happen to like to save money. AMD overpricing their line-up be it Ryzen or Vega is clearly failing their purpose as far as consumers and gamers are concerned. AMD in the past had provide really good value for the dollar like their Athlon-XP(t-birds, bartons, thoroughbreds) vs the P4 (where it was $100 or 50% lower priced than Intel). AMD does NOT need to win the performance crown to win the value crown, they just need to price lower.

 

[Jo3yization]

http://www.pcgamer.com/our-destiny-2-performance-analysis-confirms-the-game-is-legit-on-pc/

Read this. It will stop the "unfair" OC moaning. Stock intel i5 and i7 beat all ryzen chips including the TR. Even the overclocked i3 manages to beat all of them at 1080 and 1440, almost matching the i5 and i7.

Overclocking the i7 from stock to 4.9 gives a couple of fps. So if this techspot article had included stock clock benches it would have been even worse for Ryzen.

My point wasnt regarding whether the OC is unfair or not, it's that for most builders/gamers(who arent primarily comprised of super enthusiast OCers pushing 4.9), the techspot benchmarks left out any "reference" point to give someone running say, any stock i7 6th or 7th gen CPU an IDEA of what kind of performance to expect. The PCgamer benchmarks give a reference, which was literally the point of my complaint, I'll stay out of the "unfair/ryzen etc. debate" so all good. (y)

As far as temps go, I own a i7-6700k & have been OCing for years, but stay in the conservative 24/7 range & like to keep temps under 70c & I'm sure I'm not the only one. I don't see 4.9ghz being a realistic 24/7 OC for the average gamer/casual OCer, maybe for enthusiasts that OC just to hit high bench records. But anywho, to each their own.

In reply to the mention of gaming loads, how do you stress test a 4.9ghz OC for stability at gaming loads without running stress-tests, do you just attempt to game until BSOD/hard crash or other instability related symptom, rinse-repeat? Absolutely no-hate, just curious.

 

[DerHaluter]

I'm wondering.. With my 7700K and 4.8 Ghz and UC 4.5 Ghz with a GTX 1070 @Default I had at max Details without AA/AF/AO in 720p 75% scaling Min 134 FPS and Max 200 FPS in the limiter.

 

[Boilerhog146]

http://www.pcgamer.com/our-destiny-2-performance-analysis-confirms-the-game-is-legit-on-pc/

Read this. It will stop the "unfair" OC moaning. Stock intel i5 and i7 beat all ryzen chips including the TR. Even the overclocked i3 manages to beat all of them at 1080 and 1440, almost matching the i5 and i7.

Overclocking the i7 from stock to 4.9 gives a couple of fps. So if this techspot article had included stock clock benches it would have been even worse for Ryzen.

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My point wasnt regarding whether the OC is unfair or not, it's that for most builders/gamers(who arent primarily comprised of super enthusiast OCers pushing 4.9), the techspot benchmarks left out any "reference" point to give someone running say, any stock i7 6th or 7th gen CPU an IDEA of what kind of performance to expect. The PCgamer benchmarks give a reference, which was literally the point of my complaint, I'll stay out of the "unfair/ryzen etc. debate" so all good. (y)

As far as temps go, I own a i7-6700k & have been OCing for years, but stay in the conservative 24/7 range & like to keep temps under 70c & I'm sure I'm not the only one. I don't see 4.9ghz being a realistic 24/7 OC for the average gamer/casual OCer, maybe for enthusiasts that OC just to hit high bench records. But anywho, to each their own.

In reply to the mention of gaming loads, how do you stress test a 4.9ghz OC for stability at gaming loads without running stress-tests, do you just attempt to game until BSOD/hard crash or other instability related symptom, rinse-repeat? Absolutely no-hate, just curious.

my I5 3570K runs happily at 4.9 ghz. @ 24/7.prime 95 stable.get temp warnings 70 C + ( but tjmax is 105)......at 5 ghz.but I did buy a refurb corsair h100i for it.wasn't worried about saving a few bucks.some places I don't scrimp'PSU and Cooling among them. NO! its not delidded!

 

[DAOWAce]

Was wondering why the numbers were so much higher than mine.. then saw they were running on high.

Why wasn't it done with Ultra settings? Who cares if the preset enabled MSAA; turn it off. Bungie themselves said MSAA isn't optimized (and IMO shouldn't even work in modern engines due to the hacky way it has to be implemented, crippling performance). Pretty much every option went to Ultra, so kinda senseless to not benchmark it at its highest settings.

 

[Vulcanproject]

Even a GTX970 can do 4K 30FPS on this with good settings. So much for all these amazing powerful new consoles, three year old video card does the job here

 

[Boilerhog146]

Ryzen and TR were overpriced, otherwise we would not be seeing the price cuts on them so soon after launch.intel didn't cut until after Ryzen and TR launched.and have not cut much,
This.

https://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113430&ignorebbr=1

and this.

https://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113429

don't see many Intel procs cut like that.

 

[pcjack125]

Looking at:
https://techspot-static-xjzaqowzxaoif5.stackpathdns.com/articles-info/1478/bench/CPU.png

And compared to:
https://techspot-static-xjzaqowzxaoif5.stackpathdns.com/articles-info/1478/bench/1080p.png

This means at 1080p the R5 is gimping the GTX1080ti to GTX1070 levels. Which begs the question why would anyone spend $700 on GTX1080ti just to gimp it with a R5. What can you hope to save? $50-$80?

Sure you can buy into AMD marketing about how 60fps at 4K is ok, but it only a matter of time, very likely in the next generation GPU for this kind of issue to be seen at 4K. But if you are serious about saving money and will be happy with good enough gaming, then you might as well go Ryzen 3 with GTX1060.

Errr.. Considering the one who uses/buys 1080Ti should go to 1440p or 4k at least... Why stick to 1080p when you have this monster GPU ??

 

[pcjack125]

Ryzen and TR were overpriced, otherwise we would not be seeing the price cuts on them so soon after launch.intel didn't cut until after Ryzen and TR launched.and have not cut much,
This.

https://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113430&ignorebbr=1

and this.

https://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113429

don't see many Intel procs cut like that.

Overpriced or not.. They sell like a hot cake which only Intel CPU worth buying like now is 7700k

 

[AntiShill]

Errr.. Considering the one who uses/buys 1080Ti should go to 1440p or 4k at least... Why stick to 1080p when you have this monster GPU ??

Some people like for FPS and less pixels. Not everyone think 4K 60 fps is good with them. There is no "should go". People will go with what they like. Once upon at time I did NOT understand why some pro players insisted on 640x480 screens back in the days when 1024x768 was starting to become dominant. And then they insisted on their CRTs when LCD panels was starting to get more popular, and more affordable.

 

[sasat]

Honestly Nvidia 1080Ti, Titan Xp, and 1080 it's just the same card with different branding so it should be counted as one card. It's really great to see AMD taking 3 places in top 5. Just a little and it will be 5 out of 5.

 

[Boilerhog146]

Honestly Nvidia 1080Ti, Titan Xp, and 1080 it's just the same card with different branding so it should be counted as one card. It's really great to see AMD taking 3 places in top 5. Just a little and it will be 5 out of 5.

ER,HAHAHAHAHAHA!that's funny..Honestly! a little overclocking and AMD has no spot.

 

[pcjack125]

Some people like for FPS and less pixels. Not everyone think 4K 60 fps is good with them. There is no "should go". People will go with what they like. Once upon at time I did NOT understand why some pro players insisted on 640x480 screens back in the days when 1024x768 was starting to become dominant. And then they insisted on their CRTs when LCD panels was starting to get more popular, and more affordable.

Yep u totally right. But if you have 1080ti that can get FPS through the roof playing 1080p or below it will cause tearing effect from high FPS on your monitor that cant handle that high FPS.. so the solution is cap your refresh rate (enable v-sync) or buy high refresh rate monitor with G-Sync. But then again 1080Ti can go pass max srtting 1080p 144+ FPS easily in most games so why wont you jump to 1440p instead of waste GPu power with cap FPS ?
That doesn't make any sense. There always be should and shouldn't in everything... if you use a logic and dont have a bias or any thing...

 

[Boilerhog146]

Many scrimp & save to buy components, not everyone can go buy a 4K display and a pair of top GPU. at once.also sale shopping requires time . looking for just the right kit..

 

[AntiShill]

... There always be should and shouldn't in everything... if you use a logic and dont have a bias or any thing...

Really? Always..? "Always bet on black"?? There are many things that are not so black and white, especially when it comes to user preferences. Claw grip, palm grip, fingertip grip on a mouse, is there an always should or shouldn't for this? FPS vs Resolution, it is up to user, and maybe their wallet to choose one way or the other. For the longest time people said 30 fps was more than good enough, since even the best movies were done at 24 frames per second. But is that "should" that people should "always" stick to? Logic and/or bias may be enough to will rule out some thing, but even then it is not enough to resolve should vs should not. There are a lot problem in computing, that does NOT have a best answer, or cannot in feasible time and limit budget determine that, but there are range of good enough suboptimal solutions that may fulfill a certain criteria, but the important thing is rule out the class of bad solutions, like buying overpriced stuff.

 

[AntiShill]

ER,HAHAHAHAHAHA!that's funny..Honestly! a little overclocking and AMD has no spot.

You can't argument with people who just want to make donations for AMD. The guy just wants a sad excuse to double count vega, polaris, and under count pascal and maxwell. All for what? The Vega, Polaris,etc. all still perform worse than the Pascals, and are overpriced in comparison. And what does it matter, especially when that 1 spot is good for 65% or more of the market

 

[pcjack125]

Really? Always..? "Always bet on black"?? There are many things that are not so black and white, especially when it comes to user preferences. Claw grip, palm grip, fingertip grip on a mouse, is there an always should or shouldn't for this? FPS vs Resolution, it is up to user, and maybe their wallet to choose one way or the other. For the longest time people said 30 fps was more than good enough, since even the best movies were done at 24 frames per second. But is that "should" that people should "always" stick to? Logic and/or bias may be enough to will rule out some thing, but even then it is not enough to resolve should vs should not. There are a lot problem in computing, that does NOT have a best answer, or cannot in feasible time and limit budget determine that, but there are range of good enough suboptimal solutions that may fulfill a certain criteria, but the important thing is rule out the class of bad solutions, like buying overpriced stuff.

....Mouse grip.. based on personal preference and hand size and mouse size, application used , games, etc ... so there is SHOULD BE style of grip for that person...
Back to topic, so say if you love CRT 640p resolution so much and you use 1080Ti... Stick to that CRT monitor and don,t care of anything else, am I right..?

 

[AntiShill]

....Mouse grip.. based on personal preference and hand size and mouse size, application used , games, etc ... so there is SHOULD BE style of grip for that person...
...

You sure about that? I'm sure there will be some person where some coaches that will disagree even for that one person. Just as sports coaches will disagree on how you grip a golf club, or tennis racket, or ping pong paddle, or heck even the steering wheel of a car. Heck SHOULD BE the choice character class to play for Destiny 2? Hunter, Warlock, Titan? What SHOULD IT BE?

 

[pcjack125]

You sure about that? I'm sure there will be some person where some coaches that will disagree even for that one person. Just as sports coaches will disagree on how you grip a golf club, or tennis racket, or ping pong paddle, or heck even the steering wheel of a car. Heck SHOULD BE the choice character class to play for Destiny 2? Hunter, Warlock, Titan? What SHOULD IT BE?

Now you're talking about sport... I assume if you want to swing hard you SHOULD grip the club/racket/paddle tightly and swing your wrist/arm/shoulder as hard as you can. So what wrong with that ?

Car driving ? If want to turn right so you should/must steer wheel clockwise. Again what wrong with that ?

Class of Destiny 2 ? I dont know about it since I don't play it. But I assume if you have specific style of play (Tank,Hacking,Acurracy,Sniper or what ever) then there SHOULD BE specific class you can play that suit you play style, am I right ? What are you trying to argue with me here ?

 

[fadingfool]

ER,HAHAHAHAHAHA!that's funny..Honestly! a little overclocking and AMD has no spot.

You can't argument with people who just want to make donations for AMD. The guy just wants a sad excuse to double count vega, polaris, and under count pascal and maxwell. All for what? The Vega, Polaris,etc. all still perform worse than the Pascals, and are overpriced in comparison. And what does it matter, especially when that 1 spot is good for 65% or more of the market

And you can't argue with AntiShill as I suspect he was bitten by AMD as a child given the constant repetitive anti-all things AMD/ATi stance. Yes the intel 7700K is the best chip for gaming and if all you ever do with your PC is game then at the moment you can't get a better chip. If instead you actually use your computer for work (compiling, programming, web design, blogging, streaming, communicating, calculating, vitualising and gaming) you will find you frequently have many programs open all competing for resources. Then you need as many cores as possible and as much memory as you can afford.
Ryzen is competitive and if Vega dropped the price by 50-100 it would be competitive. We need competition to drive pricing to reasonable levels especially as the miners are forcing pricing up.

 

[HD Shovelhead]

I played the Beta On a 7700k on a Hero using XMP with a Asus rogstrix gtx 1060 .The game auto setup mine to 4k thru geforce experience ,While It felt smooth and played ok,I felt like 4k was to high for this particular setup.Dropping it to 1080 is where this card shines D2 played fantastic.I know gpu 3.0 does great things but when I went to use my monitoring software to see how things were doing I couldn't get CAM to work.Would also like to see how a G sync monitor would change things.

 

[dsbarros]

For the guys who are complaing about ryzen's cpus, I have to tell you sth. Despite the lack of optimization for ryzen cpus on this specific title, you can't conclude that it's not worthy for gaming. Although there was some "small" performance degradation in fhd and 2k, it still good enough on other several tasks, like editing, rendering, general processing, compressing files etc. Ryzen's cpus aren't meant only for gaming. It's a good and balanced solution for someone interested to get the best from both worlds. And I truly, truly believe that a 1080ti would make and excellent pair with this cpu for a non enthusiast gamer. Really do.

 

[CaptainTom]

The CPU test is vary deceiving. The i7 is overclocked heavily and the ryzen is not so it's not vary comparable. Clock the CPU's the same then see what's better. That would be a better comparison, smells like intel bought this post

They are both overclocked as high as they typically go. The CPU test was entirely fair.

In fact I don't know why you would complain. Both will do high framerates, and the 1600 is $130 cheaper (And bundled with an excellent cooler). This is hardly a loss for AMD.

Come on the 7700K is a well-known 1080p@144Hz killer - it should win an FPS fight.

 

[Colonel Blimp]

Any chance of a retest with the new AMD Radeon Software Crimson ReLive 17.10.2 driver?

Curious to see how much improvement given the changelog.

Destiny 2
o Up to 43% faster performance on Radeon RX Vega56 (8GB) graphics than with Radeon Software Crimson ReLive Edition 17.10.1 at 2560x1440.(RS-184)
o Up to 50% faster performance on Radeon RX 580 (8GB) graphics than with Radeon Software Crimson ReLive Edition 17.10.1 at 2560x1440.(RS-185)