Developer delves into Denuvo DRM to run Hogwarts Legacy on a secondary PC

[lonetac]

And just to be clear, im not defending a $70 game, im not saying its worth it or not. Inflation hasnt hit the game market as much as folks make it sound like.

 

[Squid Surprise]

And just to be clear, im not defending a $70 game, im not saying its worth it or not. Inflation hasnt hit the game market as much as folks make it sound like.

There are more $70 games now than in the past though...

 

[ZedRM]

Does Denuvo really deserve all the hate it gets from gamers?

Short answer, HELL yes! DRM is unacceptable and Denuvo is a garage company. Full stop, end of story.

 

[ZedRM]

I think Denuvo is only an issue on those with potato computers.

Wrong. It is an issue for anyone who doesn't run their PC to the narrow requirements of Denuvo's definitions. Run your PC with Windows in an even slightly custom configuration? Denuvo refuses to allow you access to your own games. This is not acceptable. Good luck running games with Denuvo on the SteamDeck or other custom hand-held PC's. Hit or miss with those.

Before anyone argues, I speak from personal experience, so don't bother..

People just need to learn to not try to play games on donkey rigs.

Oh please...

Instead of trying to shame gamers, why don't you instead shame the companies who insist on putting crap like this into their games?

This!! Yes!

Shame the pirates that pirate that caused this. It's not the developer's fault for people stealing their product, but yet they should just allow it? That's just stupid talk right there...

No, that's a lack of understanding on your part.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

Honestly Videogames are cheaper than they've ever been.

As an SNES kid let me tell ya the only time a game would be worth $5 in ye old days was when you were trading it in to Toys R' Us and the highway robbery they called trade-ins.

Nowadays all you have to do is wait, not even that long, and games are at deep discounts. Wait a year or two and you'll get a complete edition for an absolute song.

 

[ZedRM]

As an SNES kid let me tell ya the only time a game would be worth $5 in ye old days was when you were trading it in to Toys R' Us and the highway robbery they called trade-ins.

And if you actually did that, you deserved to be fleeced.

Nowadays all you have to do is wait, not even that long, and games are at deep discounts. Wait a year or two and you'll get a complete edition for an absolute song.

True

 

[lonetac]

There are more $70 games now than in the past though...

Yes, there are. Nowhere did I argue that.

The fact is some games cost $70 back in the day but you could never get a new game for under $10. There are more $70 games now but there are also tons of games under $10. The sheer volume of games has increased so exponentially.

I dont think you can accurately say games have increased in cost, they havent outside of collectors editions and special editions. If they had then the norm would be much higher than what they sold for in the 90s. In some instances, they are even cheaper.

Go buy backpack battles on steam, its like $13 and you can easily get dozens of hours on here (im already at 41 hours). Where as the old school nes/snes games, no matter how crappy they were, were never that cheap at launch, ever. And you would likely never accumulate that many hours on some of those games as they were god aweful.

Its not as black and white as "games are more expensive". In many instances, they are loads cheaper thanks to the indie markets and digital distribution.

Cost has gone up on average because of more $70 games but there are also a ton more games and studios producing games outside of Sega, Nintendo and NEC or Atari.

 

[Squid Surprise]

Yes, there are. Nowhere did I argue that.

The fact is some games cost $70 back in the day but you could never get a new game for under $10. There are more $70 games now but there are also tons of games under $10. The sheer volume of games has increased so exponentially.

I dont think you can accurately say games have increased in cost, they havent outside of collectors editions and special editions. If they had then the norm would be much higher than what they sold for in the 90s. In some instances, they are even cheaper.

Go buy backpack battles on steam, its like $13 and you can easily get dozens of hours on here (im already at 41 hours). Where as the old school nes/snes games, no matter how crappy they were, were never that cheap at launch, ever. And you would likely never accumulate that many hours on some of those games as they were god aweful.

Its not as black and white as "games are more expensive". In many instances, they are loads cheaper thanks to the indie markets and digital distribution.

Cost has gone up on average because of more $70 games but there are also a ton more games and studios producing games outside of Sega, Nintendo and NEC or Atari.

The % of PC games over $70 is much higher every year… we can’t talk console as copy protection isn’t really an issue - especially for vintage ones like NES and Atari.

 

[lonetac]

The % of PC games over $70 is much higher every year… we can’t talk console as copy protection isn’t really an issue - especially for vintage ones like NES and Atari.

Im going to disagree.

PC gaming was still getting going. Video game market WAS NES, SNES and when I say Atari I am talking like the lynx and Jaguar (not old school atari 2600, 5200, 7800).

You had the c64, yes those were much cheaper, yes. But that market share is hard to call that a gaming market.

Diablo 2 at launch on PC was $60. That was 2000 as well so even PC games were demanding a $60 price tag.

Look, im just giving you data that conflicts with your perspective. Its out there.

A $40 game in the year 2000 is now around a little over $70 when adjusted for inflation to 2024.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

And if you actually did that, you deserved to be fleeced.

- Indeed, I turned in 10 awesome SNES games for $20 when buying an N64 + Mario64 and the shame and embarrassment of that stupidity burns in my soul to this day.

Contempt is my shield against FOMO now. I will only ever buy games at $10 or less, EVER. No pre-orders, no day ones, no GAAS, no MMOs, no nothing.

 

[lonetac]

- Indeed, I turned in 10 awesome SNES games for $20 when buying an N64 + Mario64 and the shame and embarrassment of that stupidity burns in my soul to this day.

Contempt is my shield against FOMO now. I will only ever buy games at $10 or less, EVER. No pre-orders, no day ones, no GAAS, no MMOs, no nothing.

When I moved to the east coast, I gave away my virtual boy and nearly all the games to someone for free just because I didnt want to take it with me and thats worth a small fortune now.

I remember I had all my nes and snes boxes in mint condition flattened and thinking "these will never be worth anything" so I threw them all out. Some of those boxes are worth more than the games now, lol.

 

[Theinsanegamer]

And just to be clear, im not defending a $70 game, im not saying its worth it or not. Inflation hasnt hit the game market as much as folks make it sound like.

I strongly disagree. The game industry has inflated it's profit margins for years. $70 today isn't $70 in 1997, but mainly the costs to publishers and developers are WAY lower. Digital distribution has delivered a cash injection to these companies the government could only dream of.

It's not the struggling I does charging $70+ for a game. It's the AAA studios taking in BILLIONS in revenue that are pumping up prices, to keep shareholders happy.

 

[lonetac]

I strongly disagree. The game industry has inflated it's profit margins for years. $70 today isn't $70 in 1997, but mainly the costs to publishers and developers are WAY lower. Digital distribution has delivered a cash injection to these companies the government could only dream of.

It's not the struggling I does charging $70+ for a game. It's the AAA studios taking in BILLIONS in revenue that are pumping up prices, to keep shareholders happy.

You disagree? How? I really want to know how a game cost $60-70 in 1999 and they cost $70 now days...

Fact is, some games cost $70 in 1999. They costing $70 now means the prices hasnt gone up. How many $10 indie games were you playing back then?

What is it with you guys? Math isnt that hard.

 

[yukka]

And if you actually did that, you deserved to be fleeced.

You are a nice person aren’t you.

 

[yukka]

Prove it - no one has been able to in decades…

They couldn’t prove smoking gave people lung cancer either. Until they did.

 

[Squid Surprise]

They couldn’t prove smoking gave people lung cancer either. Until they did.

Actually they could… and did… it was simply not in the tobacco company’s interests to have it known - so the findings were repressed.

No one is covering up any proof about piracy - it’s actually the opposite. And beneficial characteristics of piracy are being repressed instead - and bogus reports about piracy costing billions of dollars get published as if they’re fact…

 

[ZedRM]

You are a nice person aren’t you.

I'm a person who faces reality head on. Life isn't always nice, nor are all the people in the world. Anyone who walks around expecting the world to be nice to them all the time is doomed to live life the perpetual victim. Evidence you say?

They couldn’t prove smoking gave people lung cancer either. Until they did.

Yes.

 

[ZedRM]

- Indeed, I turned in 10 awesome SNES games for $20 when buying an N64 + Mario64 and the shame and embarrassment of that stupidity burns in my soul to this day.

Contempt is my shield against FOMO now. I will only ever buy games at $10 or less, EVER. No pre-orders, no day ones, no GAAS, no MMOs, no nothing.

At least you learned a few valuable lessons. That's more than many get.

 

[Squid Surprise]

You disagree? How? I really want to know how a game cost $60-70 in 1999 and they cost $70 now days...

Fact is, some games cost $70 in 1999. They costing $70 now means the prices hasnt gone up. How many $10 indie games were you playing back then?

What is it with you guys? Math isnt that hard.

The PERCENTAGE of games costing above $60 has increased though. Yes there were always a FEW games that cost that much - but it is rising.

Remember , this is about copyright protection - and therefore console games DO NOT COUNT as they do not have Denovo.

 

[lonetac]

The PERCENTAGE of games costing above $60 has increased though. Yes there were always a FEW games that cost that much - but it is rising.

Remember , this is about copyright protection - and therefore console games DO NOT COUNT as they do not have Denovo.

Yes, thats obviously true because there are more developers and more games coming out now than any time in history. of course there are more $60 games.

That is not indicative of games COSTING MORE. There are more cheaper NEW games now days than in the history of video games.

They would need to be $100+ in order to be considered an increase as they always had the $60 price tag.

 

[ZedRM]

Remember , this is about copyright protection - and therefore console games DO NOT COUNT as they do not have Denovo.

True, they have other forms of copy protection and all of them nearly as offensive.

 

[Squid Surprise]

Yes, thats obviously true because there are more developers and more games coming out now than any time in history. of course there are more $60 games.

That is not indicative of games COSTING MORE. There are more cheaper NEW games now days than in the history of video games.

They would need to be $100+ in order to be considered an increase as they always had the $60 price tag.

Apparently you don’t understand the meaning of PERCENTAGE- maybe look it up?

 

[lonetac]

Apparently you don’t understand the meaning of PERCENTAGE- maybe look it up?

I know what percentage means, perhaps you dont know what it means.

When volume goes up, %'s change. I can create a % to tell any story I want, it doesnt mean anything.

You are not considering all factors involved with calculating that %. Is 10% of 10000000 larger or smaller than 10% of 1000? Ill await your analysis.

You see, just because there are more $60 games doesnt mean games have gotten more expensive. That doesnt tell anything, your % doesnt show that. It just means there are more $60 games. There are also more $10 games. There are more studios creating games, there are more gamers, more platforms, more everything.

In order to say game prices has gone up, they would need to be more expensive than they have in the past which is not necessarily the case.

This isnt a cut and dry "look at my graph im right" kind of analysis. You need to think about what you are saying and analyze it. If games were more expensive on average, thats great, but there are more games being produced. Its not the tell all.

Back in the 90's how many games were you buying for $10 brand new?

 

[lonetac]

Apparently you don’t understand the meaning of PERCENTAGE- maybe look it up?

Ill just leave this here for you:
This guy lists some articles that explain it but some are dated:

Steam Community :: :: Game prices have DECREASED (not increased) over time.

Steam Community: Steam Artwork. This graphic is from an in-depth study posted here: https://shadowofthevoid.wordpress.com/2012/07/03/do-games-cost-too-much/

steamcommunity.com

Starfield :: Steam Community

steamcommunity.com

This one is the grand daddy that really breaks it down for you. I hope you find this informative and read it in good faith. It explains things in a easy to understand way.

Are video games really more expensive?

In general, we like to think we know how much something is worth. The decision is based less on logic and more on emoti…

www.gamesindustry.biz

"This means that a 1977 Atari 2600 game today would retail at the equivalent of just under $200. As time progresses, the price of games falls in relative terms. Games for the Xbox One and PS4 that retailed for $59.99 back in 2013, today would be sold at $76.30 if game publishers followed inflationary pressures. Even the $69.99 games that released back in 2020 would today be priced at $80.13 (if game prices were kept at a constant pace with inflation). That is a 14% increase.

This means that although the average price of new video games increased in price in absolute terms, they got cheaper over the years in relative terms. Between 1977 and 2020 the average relative price of games declined by almost 2% every year."

 

[Squid Surprise]

I know what percentage means, perhaps you dont know what it means.

When volume goes up, %'s change. I can create a % to tell any story I want, it doesnt mean anything.

You are not considering all factors involved with calculating that %. Is 10% of 10000000 larger or smaller than 10% of 1000? Ill await your analysis.

You see, just because there are more $60 games doesnt mean games have gotten more expensive. That doesnt tell anything, your % doesnt show that. It just means there are more $60 games. There are also more $10 games. There are more studios creating games, there are more gamers, more platforms, more everything.

In order to say game prices has gone up, they would need to be more expensive than they have in the past which is not necessarily the case.

This isnt a cut and dry "look at my graph im right" kind of analysis. You need to think about what you are saying and analyze it. If games were more expensive on average, thats great, but there are more games being produced. Its not the tell all.

Back in the 90's how many games were you buying for $10 brand new?

The PERCENTAGE of AAA games costing more than $60 has INCREASED… not sure why this is hard for you…

Volume has no effect on percentage. Yes there are more games being released now - that only makes my point more obvious.