Elon Musk sues OpenAI and Sam Altman over breach of contract, for-profit focus, and Microsoft...

[wiyosaya]

I don't care what people say about Musk, I really love his battle against the woke agenda.

IMO, Musk is only battling himself. He actively does things that he says others should not do. For instance, if you criticize him on X, chances are you will get banned. He is in no way for free speech except if its his speech.
Here's an example https://www.npr.org/2024/02/29/1234...ght-by-elon-musks-x-over-hate-speech-research

And how do you know that those corporations are actually woke instead of being the target of rabid conspiracy theorists? For instance, here's a viewpoint of googles "woke" AI that states that it is far more likely that it was rushed out the door in a vapid quest for profit. https://techxplore.com/news/2024-02-google-ai-isnt-woke.html#google_vignette IMO, that's the Occam's razor approach to it.

Maybe you should go protest in front of a Pizza shop in Washington DC.

Oh, I forgot, you were "sentenced" to spending time in CA where you had to choose your words carefully (though there is no law on the books in CA against not doing so) in order to have a civil conversation with people that you were expect to work with.

Lions and Tigers and Bears, Oh my!

 

[yRaz]

Woke didn't come from that. Look up the black folk singer Lead Belly and Willard Ramblin Thomas. It came from black laborers in southern sawmills then to black activist in the early 20th century about sundown towns. You're on a tech site, so I'm sure you can do a little research.

Well regardless of where it started, this is what it means now. Language has a habit of changing over time. While all words have a definition, that definition changes if the context in which it is used changes.

 

[yRaz]

IMO, Musk is only battling himself. He actively does things that he says others should not do. For instance, if you criticize him on X, chances are you will get banned. He is in no way for free speech except if its his speech.
Here's an example https://www.npr.org/2024/02/29/1234...ght-by-elon-musks-x-over-hate-speech-research

And how do you know that those corporations are actually woke instead of being the target of rabid conspiracy theorists? For instance, here's a viewpoint of googles "woke" AI that states that it is far more likely that it was rushed out the door in a vapid quest for profit. https://techxplore.com/news/2024-02-google-ai-isnt-woke.html#google_vignette IMO, that's the Occam's razor approach to it.

Maybe you should go protest in front of a Pizza shop in Washington DC.

Oh, I forgot, you were "sentenced" to spending time in CA where you had to choose your words carefully (though there is no law on the books in CA against not doing so) in order to have a civil conversation with people that you were expect to work with.

Lions and Tigers and Bears, Oh my!

That's so cute, you didn't have an argument so you associated me with the pizza gate conspiracy theorists.

I suggest you do some research on Google Gemini because there are legitimate news outlets who have done some investigating and the truth is way weirder than it just making black nazis soldiers.

As far as my time in San Fran goes, it was really bizarre. I've been all over the US and simply ordering something when eating out would make people uncomfortable. went to a steak house and ordered something medium rare with the outside burnt black and when I said black my escort for the week whispered in my ear and said I couldn't describe things that way. Later I found out that ordering beef is fround on but the person who inwas there took me and some other people to a steak house. Why are we at a steak house then? It was also bizarre to me that the steakhouse had a vegan menu. It was at this point I was begging to go back to Utah because atleast the Mormons are nice people, they aren't pretentious enough to have vegan steakhouses. I really did love Arizona though, I can't wait to start my contract out there next year.

 

[kiwigraeme]

I don't care what people say about Musk, I really love his battle against the woke agenda.

Careful here - the most anti-woke people are the biggest snowflakes evah.
Concern about how other people live , and what they do. Full of fear of the different.

That is not to say you don't have a point - so qualified it with "careful here"
Imposing and downgrading stuff to push an agenda is counterproductive . If makes the product less inviting. People of all shapes and sizes should have opportunities, but it should be more natural and organic.

That's why "positive discrimination" is mostly a good thing it done right . The dice have been heavily stacked in favour of say white rich kids in preppy/yankee states - a bit of cocaine at a party no problem , grades not good enough for Yale - no problem etc

Also commonsense is in short supply - don't identity with your birth sex . Then use/provide the private uni-sex restrooms etc
Easy to look at stupidity like full grown men with sexchange wanting to compete in woman's strength events .

But most of it is small beer, does have any real effect on your day to day live . people used to scream about what pervisons gays got up to in their bedrooms as consenting adults - Who cares .

I'm a live and let live kind of person with qualifications

 

[yRaz]

Careful here - the most anti-woke people are the biggest snowflakes evah.
Concern about how other people live , and what they do. Full of fear of the different.

That is not to say you don't have a point - so qualified it with "careful here"
Imposing and downgrading stuff to push an agenda is counterproductive . If makes the product less inviting. People of all shapes and sizes should have opportunities, but it should be more natural and organic.

That's why "positive discrimination" is mostly a good thing it done right . The dice have been heavily stacked in favour of say white rich kids in preppy/yankee states - a bit of cocaine at a party no problem , grades not good enough for Yale - no problem etc

Also commonsense is in short supply - don't identity with your birth sex . Then use/provide the private uni-sex restrooms etc
Easy to look at stupidity like full grown men with sexchange wanting to compete in woman's strength events .

But most of it is small beer, does have any real effect on your day to day live . people used to scream about what pervisons gays got up to in their bedrooms as consenting adults - Who cares .

I'm a live and let live kind of person with qualifications

Look, I say what is on my mind. Whether what I say is appropriate or not, you can rest assured that I am authentic in what I believe. Earlier I said that I feel like I'm being kicked out of the democratic party because I'm not liberal enough. I hold plenty of liberal ideals but I also hold some conservative ones.

And, certainly, I use internet short hand like "woke" but we live in a culture where we use internet shorthand and memes to communicate complex ideas

 

[holydiver]

Like that is actually a thing that matters

As does your irrelevant comment.

 

[kiwigraeme]

Look, I say what is on my mind. Whether what I say is appropriate or not, you can rest assured that I am authentic in what I believe. Earlier I said that I feel like I'm being kicked out of the democratic party because I'm not liberal enough. I hold plenty of liberal ideals but I also hold some conservative ones.

And, certainly, I use internet short hand like "woke" but we live in a culture where we use internet shorthand and memes to communicate complex ideas

Yeahs it's nuance - I thought the liberal do-gooders at university in the 80's were full of it.
Spouting ACAB ( all coppers are B*******ds ) and all men are rapist , Whites were imperistitic pillagers etc - They were just spraying the flavour of the day . Same people claiming their school teachers and parents lied to them - yeah no s*** sherlock . I knew teachers pushed their own agenda since I was about eleven. mainly to make their lives easier or boost their egos

 

[yRaz]

Yeahs it's nuance - I thought the liberal do-gooders at university in the 80's were full of it.
Spouting ACAB ( all coppers are B*******ds ) and all men are rapist , Whites were imperistitic pillagers etc - They were just spraying the flavour of the day . Same people claiming their school teachers and parents lied to them - yeah no s*** sherlock . I knew teachers pushed their own agenda since I was about eleven. mainly to make their lives easier or boost their egos

It just seems to me that people have hijacked liberalism and anytime I point it out people start to say I'm some kind of sheep for the other party. I'm not old, but I'm not young anymore, either. It's exhausting to deal with and my energy is better spent elsewhere

 

[ScottSoapbox]

Woke didn't come from that. Look up the black folk singer Lead Belly and Willard Ramblin Thomas. It came from black laborers in southern sawmills then to black activist in the early 20th century about sundown towns. You're on a tech site, so I'm sure you can do a little research.

-rolls eyes- Your attempt at self-righteousness doesn’t win debates. It’s just sophomoric.

 

[DonquixoteIII]

Gee, that term 'woke' again.

OED: "By the mid-20th century," says the Oxford English Dictionary (OED), "woke had been extended figuratively to refer to being 'aware' or 'well informed' in a political or cultural sense."

Merriam-Webster: " chiefly US slang
1
a
: aware of and actively attentive to important societal facts and issues (especially issues of racial and social justice)"

 

[DonquixoteIII]

Look, I say what is on my mind. Whether what I say is appropriate or not, you can rest assured that I am authentic in what I believe. Earlier I said that I feel like I'm being kicked out of the democratic party because I'm not liberal enough. I hold plenty of liberal ideals but I also hold some conservative ones.

And, certainly, I use internet short hand like "woke" but we live in a culture where we use internet shorthand and memes to communicate complex ideas

"E-MC squared" is shorthand for a very complex subject. "Wike" is not.

 

[yRaz]

"E-MC squared" is shorthand for a very complex subject. "Wike" is not.

Is it shorthand for, "I'm too intoxicated to make a proper argument?"

 

[DonquixoteIII]

Elon Musk is a very complicated individual.He has rather right-wing politics, yet some very liberal and even some altruistic leanings. I would love to sit down with him and pick his brain, but doubt that will happen.

 

[captaincranky]

Nice strawman, mind telling me what rights men have that women don't? As someone who has been a democrate for 18 years I'm getting really annoyed that I'm not liberal enough to be a member of my own party anymore.

Well, my Prince, men have the right to, "pull up their pants and get the hell outta there". Whereas women OTOH, now have to live with their bad choices in men, and temporary lapses of of judgment.

Well, both parties have an extreme wing. From where I sit the left extreme is much preferable to the right extreme. Voting in the US has always only offered the choice between, "the lesser of two evils".

Politics in the US now only obeys Newtonian physics, "for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction . Compromise doesn't enter into the equation.

I could have settled the, "which bathroom am I allowed to use" issues long ago, simply by legislation requiring all public buildings to have three restrooms... SIC:

>"Men's"< >"Ladies"< >"Haven't made up my mind yet"<.

Something along these lines would however, negate, "gender reveal parties", to a single option, "we'll have to wait until it grows up"

 

[yRaz]

Well, my Prince, men have the right to, "pull up their pants and get the hell outta there". Whereas women OTOH, now have to live with their bad choices in men, and temporary lapses of of judgment.

Well, both parties have an extreme wing. From where I sit the left extreme is much preferable to the right extreme. Voting in the US has always only offered the choice between, "the lesser of two evils".

Politics in the US now only obeys Newtonian physics, "for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction . Compromise doesn't enter into the equation.

I could have settled the, "which bathroom am I allowed to use" issues long ago, simply by legislation requiring all public buildings to have three restrooms... SIC:

>"Men's"< >"Ladies"< >"Haven't made up my mind yet"<.

Something along these lines would however, negate, "gender reveal parties", to a single option, "we'll have to wait until it grows up"

I can't wait for gender reveal parties to be made illegal because people aren't allowed to decide their gender until they're X years old. Or, in Canada where they've essentially removed parental rights under child abuse laws, can decode the gender of your child for you. But I guess I'm a conspiracy theorists Trump support for thinking that government overreach is wrong.

I think I might give myself an enima with 556 rounds because of how conservative I apparently I am

 

[captaincranky]

I can't wait for gender reveal parties to be made illegal because people aren't allowed to decide their gender until they're X years old. Or, in Canada where they've essentially removed parental rights under child abuse laws, can decode the gender of your child for you. But I guess I'm a conspiracy theorists Trump support for thinking that government overreach is wrong.

I think I might give myself an enima with 556 rounds because of how conservative I apparently I am

 

[Bartie Musa]

Bartie Musa - This is a careful balancing act because no company can survive without profit and fiduciary duty. On the other hand, Ai is a totally different realm with real consequences to humanity. Corporate social responsibility is an understatement in this case.

 

[Sir Sparkles]

It's alarming that since Trump everything is about politics.

You're all a very disturbed bunch.

 

[erickmendes]

A billionaire suing a company for it's pursuit of profit... That's funny

 

[zulu53]

Dang minorities and women having rights. Better hide in that basement until your prayers to imaginary friends finally cure the country of not worshipping a draft dodging makeup wearing conman. Ooooh me oh my save us all from living in the reality of people not conforming to some rednecks delusions of what Murica should look like.

Never say something in 3 words when 50+ could be used to confuse. That your motto?

 

[zulu53]

A billionaire suing a company for it's pursuit of profit... That's funny

Helps to read the statement perhaps? He is complaining that they all said THIS effort was not to make a profit. He said nothing about their other work turning a profit (or not). So your narrative is completely wrong.

 

[zulu53]

Like that is actually a thing that matters

It sure matters. Unless one is happy to be a lemming.

 

[zulu53]

Woke didn't come from that. Look up the black folk singer Lead Belly and Willard Ramblin Thomas. It came from black laborers in southern sawmills then to black activist in the early 20th century about sundown towns. You're on a tech site, so I'm sure you can do a little research.

Or to dispute your definition. MerriamWebster:" general pejorative for anyone who is or appears to be politically left-leaning". In the old days we just called these left-leaning people "communists" or "marxists" since there are complete books on marxist theory and practise to help define in anyone's mind what the terms mean; no need for a short definition in a dictionary.

 

[Gastec]

Dang minorities and women having rights. Better hide in that basement until your prayers to imaginary friends finally cure the country of not worshipping a draft dodging makeup wearing conman. Ooooh me oh my save us all from living in the reality of people not conforming to some rednecks delusions of what Murica should look like.

Stop sending your prayers to imaginary friends, start learning how to WorShip. ;-)

 

[Beerfloat]

It sure matters. Unless one is happy to be a lemming.

Maybe. I guess I'm not sure what a lemming could mean in someone's NewSpeak dictionary.

Just like 'woke' was once just used to mean being civil and respectful but is apparently now somehow a potentially worse threat to society than something like a major outbreak of war or a pandemic or what have you.