Elon Musk tweets offer of "single combat" with Vladimir Putin for Ukraine

QuantumPhysics

Posts: 6,308   +7,247
And Russia has been arming China for almost 35 years.
As usual, you argue from uninformed idiocy.


How much longer till Russia takes Kyiv - since you know so much more than me?

I just find it funny America has enemies it can't do anything about cause of that whole M.A.D.
 

emmzo

Posts: 630   +832
Unfortunately geopolitics is often more complicated than "country A good, country B bad", I don't remember saying I supported this war either.
It's good that you have the luxury of thinking about geopolitics so relaxed in, I suppose, a democratic country. I live in eastern Europe, in an ex-communist country and half of century of russian hegemony had brought only poverty, oppression, terror and dehumanization. I'm telling you, there's a reason everyone here wants to embrace the West, because whatever the flaws of democracies, a person can reach his/her true potential, because they are free. A lot of Russians want that too and a democracy in Russia would probably make it a truly big power. However, we can debate any time the problems of the West, but this is not "whataboutism". Putin's Russia is turning more and more into a stalinist state and it's only going to bring misery, hardships and distraught and force people back into a dark era that should be long forgotten, including his fellow Russians. So sure, you can root for Putin and justify "geopolitically" his atrocities and crimes, blaming the west for "inciting" him, blaming Ukraine for wanting to create its own path, doing his work in sowing division, but remember, you should be grateful that you are free to say whatever you want, you should be grateful you live in a democracy and have the opportunities you have and then you will see what good vs bad really means.
 

scavengerspc

Posts: 2,645   +2,858
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How much longer till Russia takes Kyiv - since you know so much more than me?
Do you mean overwhelm Kyiv? Who can say.
If you mean take full control of Kyiv, ain't gonna happen.
And if I do know more than you, it's your fault.

I just find it funny America has enemies it can't do anything about cause of that whole M.A.D.
You know, the whole "if you want peace, you must prepare for war" thing.
 

sreams

Posts: 307   +437
The Virtue Signaling of these libs is remarkable.

You, Elon Musk, an overweight beneficiary of US Government welfare, who can't even make a good interior for a car, want to go up against a former professional Russian Soldier/ trained KGB/ GRU expert assassin?

It would almost be worth it to watch you trying to figure out how to get the Polonium pellet out of your bone marrow.

He definitely is not a lib... unless by "lib", you mean libertarian.
 

wiyosaya

Posts: 7,821   +6,787
This bullcrap from Musky is him trying to profit off the current conflict, IMO. Musky has shown us all just how low he can stoop.
If anything, Musk has been routinely shown to get in the way of more significant advances with stupid ideas like the hyperloop.
Hyperloop is not even his idea. It was in the TV Series Babylon 5 many years before Musky tried to support it with his BS.
It's good that you have the luxury of thinking about geopolitics so relaxed in, I suppose, a democratic country. I live in eastern Europe, in an ex-communist country and half of century of russian hegemony had brought only poverty, oppression, terror and dehumanization. I'm telling you, there's a reason everyone here wants to embrace the West, because whatever the flaws of democracies, a person can reach his/her true potential, because they are free. A lot of Russians want that too and a democracy in Russia would probably make it a truly big power. However, we can debate any time the problems of the West, but this is not "whataboutism". Putin's Russia is turning more and more into a stalinist state and it's only going to bring misery, hardships and distraught and force people back into a dark era that should be long forgotten, including his fellow Russians. So sure, you can root for Putin and justify "geopolitically" his atrocities and crimes, blaming the west for "inciting" him, blaming Ukraine for wanting to create its own path, doing his work in sowing division, but remember, you should be grateful that you are free to say whatever you want, you should be grateful you live in a democracy and have the opportunities you have and then you will see what good vs bad really means.
Well said - the best comment in the thread, IMO. (y) (Y)

IMO, many of the "righteous" crowd here think they understand, but have no clue of what they speak since the live in privilege they do not even begin to understand that they have.
 

Shadowboxer

Posts: 2,074   +1,654
It's good that you have the luxury of thinking about geopolitics so relaxed in, I suppose, a democratic country. I live in eastern Europe, in an ex-communist country and half of century of russian hegemony had brought only poverty, oppression, terror and dehumanization. I'm telling you, there's a reason everyone here wants to embrace the West, because whatever the flaws of democracies, a person can reach his/her true potential, because they are free. A lot of Russians want that too and a democracy in Russia would probably make it a truly big power. However, we can debate any time the problems of the West, but this is not "whataboutism". Putin's Russia is turning more and more into a stalinist state and it's only going to bring misery, hardships and distraught and force people back into a dark era that should be long forgotten, including his fellow Russians. So sure, you can root for Putin and justify "geopolitically" his atrocities and crimes, blaming the west for "inciting" him, blaming Ukraine for wanting to create its own path, doing his work in sowing division, but remember, you should be grateful that you are free to say whatever you want, you should be grateful you live in a democracy and have the opportunities you have and then you will see what good vs bad really means.
The problem is, Western leaders have undermined the democracy in the Ukraine with all sorts of corruption, the Ukraine received billions more than most other countries from the US state department and I still want to know how Hunter Biden got an extremely lucrative position on the board of an energy company out there. Id also like to know how much of the Ukrainian military is openly Nazi and how much money and training they have received from the west. We know some definitely are Nazis, theres dozens of documentaries about Azov on youtuve even.

Im with you, I live in the west I wouldnt want to live in or under Russia. But if you criminalise Russian seperatists and remove their representation within a democracy you dont have the right to say you have "western values". That makes the Ukraine no better than Russia or any other dictatorship. Putin should be condemned, there is no justification for his actions. But his actions do not absolve the meddling by the west in the Ukraine and they do not change the fact that the Ukraine is not actually a democracy despite the lies of the western leaders.



 

PEnnn

Posts: 803   +938
It's funny how left leaning people love to hate the guy. Say what you like but being salty over his views doesn't change that he's massively successful and extremely intelligent. You don't get where he is by being stupid. Stay salty....cry more.

And by the way his IQ is around 150+ so claiming he's an ***** is really pretty funny.

I guess you conveniently forgot to mention the hordes of right-wingers drooling over Putin's very move, including Ukraine. Just turn on your favorite channel: Fox Noise.

Truly disgusting.
 

Ohnooze

Posts: 233   +455
I guess you conveniently forgot to mention the hordes of right-wingers drooling over Putin's very move, including Ukraine. Just turn on your favorite channel: Fox Noise.

Truly disgusting.
What are you even talking about? I honestly have not seen anyone support Putin except China.
 

Ohnooze

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I was thinking similarly about Musky. The Right drools over his fortune, and thinks an IQ of 150+ means he is smart.
Uhh...an IQ if 150+ is considered pretty damn intelligent. O.2% of the population according to google. And he's the wealthiest man on the planet...so yea he's not a *****.

That said I don't personally care about him one way or the other. I just enjoy how he makes the left cry. He doesn't cater to the current twitter culture...it's glorious.
 

Shadowboxer

Posts: 2,074   +1,654
Then you aren't looking. Not many mind you. But a disturbing number do though. The righties just loves Putin, even if not the war.
Ive not seen any right wingers saying good things about Putin. But I would say the left seem to want the west to go to war against him more than the right does. Which is bizarre, its historically the right who is calling for military action.

Personally the very last thing I want is for NATO to get involved in this conflict. Im sorry but the Ukraine is one country, its not worth dragging the entire west into a war with Russia over.
 

Ohnooze

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Then you aren't looking. Not many mind you. But a disturbing number do though. The righties just loves Putin, even if not the war.
That's very interesting as I have never once heard anything like that.
In fact fox was brought up and I have heard no support of Putin at all from them...just the opposite actually. I have head CNN and MSNBC make the claim that fox was sucking up to Putin but I haven't seen it and I watch all stations.
 

wiyosaya

Posts: 7,821   +6,787
Uhh...an IQ if 150+ is considered pretty damn intelligent. O.2% of the population according to google. And he's the wealthiest man on the planet...so yea he's not a *****.

That said I don't personally care about him one way or the other. I just enjoy how he makes the left cry. He doesn't cater to the current twitter culture...it's glorious.
I'm not particularly invested in Musky either. The problem is wealth does not equal intelligence, however, wealth is often confused for intelligence because of the world's values. Nor does IQ necessarily equal intelligence. IQ is measured by how well one does on any number of different kinds of tests.

As an example, take Bill Gates running a contest for sewage treatment for India https://www.techspot.com/community/...einvent-the-sewage-treatment-facility.207924/ a multi-million dollar solution that would require a substantial investment in infrastructure. Fortunately, someone talked some sense into Gates and realized that Composting Toilets would work much better for India - https://www.businessinsider.com/bil...-invent-tiger-toilets-powered-by-worms-2019-1 and people still think that's Genius in action. But look here - https://www.techspot.com/community/...sewage-treatment-facility.207924/post-1448375

So is what you are telling us that because Musky "makes the left cry" you think he is smart?

Musky's twitter frequently caters to his own interests. Musky passes gas and crapto either tanks or goes through the roof - and I am sure he knows that and willfully intends his "twitter" to do such things. I am sure that he realized that his challenge would get him press, and he had no other reason for doing it. He may even have a messiah complex.

If you want to believe that wealth and IQ are significant, more power to you!
 

Stiqy

Posts: 101   +123
The US instigated this crisis by attempting to finance and arm Ukrainians into hostilities against Russians in Luhansk and Donetsk. Now, it's completely swung in the opposite direction and Russia is literally taking over Ukraine entirely. The western propaganda continues to lie about Russian casualties and progress, but the reality is, Russia is winning and they are now ready to take Kyiv.

Naturally, you won't hear the truth till after they do because only then will the media be forced to tell the truth.

In the aftermath, Ukraine is being flattened.

I'd say Russia is determined to take Ukraine so they can later bargain for sanctions reduction and control how, when and if Ukraine is rebuilt.

"I'm done being an expert in vaccines. I am now an expert in the Ukraine conflict..."
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMd_vf2WUAAi0ac?format=jpg&name=small
 

Ohnooze

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I'm not particularly invested in Musky either. The problem is wealth does not equal intelligence, however, wealth is often confused for intelligence because of the world's values. Nor does IQ necessarily equal intelligence. IQ is measured by how well one does on any number of different kinds of tests.

As an example, take Bill Gates running a contest for sewage treatment for India https://www.techspot.com/community/...einvent-the-sewage-treatment-facility.207924/ a multi-million dollar solution that would require a substantial investment in infrastructure. Fortunately, someone talked some sense into Gates and realized that Composting Toilets would work much better for India - https://www.businessinsider.com/bil...-invent-tiger-toilets-powered-by-worms-2019-1 and people still think that's Genius in action. But look here - https://www.techspot.com/community/...sewage-treatment-facility.207924/post-1448375

So is what you are telling us that because Musky "makes the left cry" you think he is smart?

Musky's twitter frequently caters to his own interests. Musky passes gas and crapto either tanks or goes through the roof - and I am sure he knows that and willfully intends his "twitter" to do such things. I am sure that he realized that his challenge would get him press, and he had no other reason for doing it. He may even have a messiah complex.

If you want to believe that wealth and IQ are significant, more power to you!
No, I do not think IQ AUTOMATICALLY equals wealth nor does it take much intelligence to perturb the left. My point was that he's obviously not an ***** with a 150+ IQ. Also regardless of what anyone thinks of his views or anything else he has been smart enough to make good decisions leading to massive wealth and success. So again I think it's safe to say that he's not stupid.
 

emmzo

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The problem is, Western leaders have undermined the democracy in the Ukraine with all sorts of corruption, the Ukraine received billions more than most other countries from the US state department and I still want to know how Hunter Biden got an extremely lucrative position on the board of an energy company out there. Id also like to know how much of the Ukrainian military is openly Nazi and how much money and training they have received from the west. We know some definitely are Nazis, theres dozens of documentaries about Azov on youtuve even.

Im with you, I live in the west I wouldnt want to live in or under Russia. But if you criminalise Russian seperatists and remove their representation within a democracy you dont have the right to say you have "western values". That makes the Ukraine no better than Russia or any other dictatorship. Putin should be condemned, there is no justification for his actions. But his actions do not absolve the meddling by the west in the Ukraine and they do not change the fact that the Ukraine is not actually a democracy despite the lies of the western leaders.
Ukraine is not a beacon of democracy, but it is a democracy, because it had free elections. Separatists are criminalized in any country, because, duh, they challenge the sovereignty of the state. Ukraine army, now with compulsory enlisting is, Idk, about 6 million men, out of which these 2500 members of Azov are presumably neo-nazis. Moreover, Azov is not part of the army, but of National Guard. They fight really well, so, when your very survival is at stake, the authorities let this one slide and thinking about the millions of White Supremacist in the US that would put up the same kind of fight if America was invaded, I really don`t blame them. However, taking Putin`s claims of "denazification" is just ridiculous. Zelensky is obviously Jewish, the biggest memorial of the Holocaust, Babyn Yar is in Ukraine and was bombed by the Russians btw and the far right party got so few votes that it didn`t even make it to the Ukrainian Parliament. If you start to nitpick you`ll find no country is perfect, but take a step back and see the big picture. Nothing justifies war and suffering. Nothing justifies the purpose killing of civilians to break the will of a free elected government. This is Putin`s imperial ambitions and he will not stop. With every conquest, he will be embolden. Who knows, if he succeeds, China, Iran, North Korea will be embolden too, to take everything they want by force and then, our democratic world, that we take for granted, will soon shatter.
 

meric

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Ive not seen any right wingers saying good things about Putin. But I would say the left seem to want the west to go to war against him more than the right does. Which is bizarre, its historically the right who is calling for military action.

Personally the very last thing I want is for NATO to get involved in this conflict. Im sorry but the Ukraine is one country, its not worth dragging the entire west into a war with Russia over.
Rightfully said. I find your observations very well balanced and on point, despite being a westerner. I bet most people here did not imagine what kind of war we'd have to face had Ukraine actually joined NATO. I guess it would be a nuclear one, most probably. Russians won't let those black sea shores under NATO control.
 

Shadowboxer

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Trump has. He called Putin "smart and savvy", in front of a Republican meeting of one sort or another. Have a look.

Putin is smart. Sure hes an invading dictator. But that doesnt make him "stupid". Putin has a lot of of leadership characteristics. But then so did Hitler. Recognising this doesnt make anyone a "Russian sympathiser".

Although in my opinion, invading the Ukraine was not a smart decision.