ESA refutes claims of linkage between video games and violent behavior

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In brief: Weekend mass shootings once again brought criticism to video games as being in someway responsible for the violent behavior leading to such tragedies. Following statements from prominent politicians including US President Donald Trump, the Entertainment Software Association responded to the condemnation and refuted claims of video games being linked to violent behaviour.

On Monday, President Trump remarked from the White House on the weekend mass shootings in El Paso, Texas and Dayton, Ohio. "In one voice our nation must condemn racism, bigotry and white supremacy," said Trump, adding that these attacks were a "crime against all humanity."

Following comments from House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy and other politicians "partly" blaming video games for such incidents, Trump also spoke on the same lines. "We must stop the glorification of violence in our society," he said, adding that "this includes the gruesome and grisly video games that are now commonplace. It is too easy today for troubled youth to surround themselves with a culture that celebrates violence. We must stop or substantially reduce this."

Blaming the internet for inciting hate, he also called on social media to detect early warning signs among possible shooters. "Mental health and hatred pulls the trigger, not the gun," he said.

In response to this criticism, the video gaming's trade association, ESA, issued a statement saying that "there is no causal connection between video games and violence" according to numerous scientific studies. More than 165 million Americans enjoy video games, and billions of people play video games worldwide. Yet other societies, where video games are played as avidly, do not contend with the tragic levels of violence that occur in the U.S."

Highlighting the positive aspects of video games, the statement further said that these games "positively contribute to society, from new medical therapies and advancements, educational tools, business innovation, and more. Video games help players connect with family and friends, relieve stress, and have fun."

The statement also included a link to ParentTools.org for parents who are concerned about the age-appropriateness of video game content for their children.

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Video Games aren't the problem.

Violent movies and music aren't the problem.

The problem is that people with criminal intent have access to guns.

Access to guns is the reason there are so many accidental gun deaths among children.

Access to guns is the reason there are so many suicides involving guns.

Access to guns is the reason there are so many homicides involving guns - including domestic violence murders involving guns.

Steve Paddock wasn't playing video games or listening to violent music. The same could be said for the bulk of mass murderers. But the one thing they shared in common was the had access to guns. Specifically semi-automatic rifles with high capacity magazines.

I own guns: Two AR-15 rifles, one Desert Eagle .50, one 257 Magnum S&W, one .38, one Kimber .45 (my CCW) , a Benelli Supernova 12 Gauge and one AR-30.

I play video games regularly.

I watch violent movies regularly.

But I have a stable job and a stable mind so I'm probably the least likely to ever be involved in a gun crime.

Obviously airplanes, trucks, cars and bombs can also be used to kill, but for the most part, with the exception of the bomb - trucks, cars and planes do not have "killing" as a primary purpose. A gun's primary purpose is to kill.

Giving the average citizen access to guns designed to kill large numbers of people in as little time as possible and then filling their mind with violent ideations is a recipe for disaster.

America's media has filled people with fear that they need these weapons to protect what they've got from people trying to take what they've got - a fear that dates all the way back to the genocide of the Natives and settling of the country.

Everyone is a law abiding citizen until they aren't.
 
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Notice how the media has mostly ignored the shooter's involvement in "rape culture" and the possibility they were INCEL.

The motives are clear:

#1 access to guns
#2 anger at women
#3 Fear that foreigners were stealing what's theirs
#4 A sense of nationalism and willingness to fight for what's theirs.
 
Video Games aren't the problem.

Violent movies and music aren't the problem.

The problem is access to guns.

LoL. The problem is never the instrument, it is the evil inherent in humanity. Gun control doesn't stop evil from its purpose or ability to access guns, chemicals, explosives, knives, cars to kill people. Just look at terror/mass killings in China, Europe, Asia.

What really matters is having a moral compass with its instilled respect for life and others. The loss of moral respect and values championed by socialism in various forms has scaled directly with the increase in consciousless violence.

Taking guns from the people is also a pathway to facilitating tyranny. National Socialismand Communism are fine examples of the sum game there. And that will be the sum game of fully realized liberal socialism.

The best way to stop mass killings is to stop sensationalizing them through the media (deny the scum the attention they seek), get moral values back in parenting, schools, media, and government (admitting there is right and wrong, and you are not a god, disciplined upbringing to deny sense of entitlement), and straight up killing mass killers.
 
Video Games aren't the problem.

Violent movies and music aren't the problem.

The problem is access to guns.

LoL. The problem is never the instrument, it is the evil inherent in humanity. Gun control doesn't stop evil from its purpose or ability to access guns, chemicals, explosives, knives, cars to kill people. Just look at terror/mass killings in China, Europe, Asia.

What really matters is having a moral compass with its instilled respect for life and others. The loss of moral respect and values championed by socialism in various forms has scaled directly with the increase in consciousless violence.

Taking guns from the people is also a pathway to facilitating tyranny. National Socialismand Communism are fine examples of the sum game there. And that will be the sum game of fully realized liberal socialism.

The best way to stop mass killings is to stop sensationalizing them through the media (deny the scum the attention they seek), get moral values back in parenting, schools, media, and government (admitting there is right and wrong, and you are not a god, disciplined upbringing to deny sense of entitlement), and straight up killing mass killers.


When you say tyranny, you must mean like the tyranny faced by the Black community, Post-slavery who was unarmed and harassed by the police and the KKK.

The first gun control laws were racist and designed solely to keep guns out of the hands of Blacks so that they could be terrorized.
 
There is a long standing study that shows since the Civil War that each subsequent conflict causes a "desensitizing" of the general public against violence. Desensitizing is not causation it simply means that the reluctance to be violent is slowly eroded making it more possible to take violent action with less regret.
So, while video games are not a "cause" they do contribute, as does MANY different things to a general acknowledgement and some acceptance of violence. This acceptance doesn't always work against the population, in fact as in the study of World War II, it helped our young soldiers better understand the attitude of the enemy they faced so they were able to be more aggressive and less forgiving when in combat. In many of these cases it is the more mature person that learns the benefit and detriment of violence. With younger people that acceptance can make it easier to slip past the norms of society into a mode that allows them to rationalize (in their own minds) their intended actions.
Remember, in many cases these people have some formative reason in their background that starts them down that path and some other unusual circumstance that may push them over the edge into actual actions. To diagnose this would be virtually impossible in all but the most severe cases. That being said and on that basis, one remedy may be to remove the most efficient tools; ie: automatic and high capacity semi-automatic weapons that go beyond basic hunting and sport shooting purposes until there is a time when we can mentally and medically predict with some precision who will be more prone to such actions and design an appropriate treatment as preventive medicine.
 
When you say tyranny, you must mean like the tyranny faced by the Black community, Post-slavery who was unarmed and harassed by the police and the KKK.

The first gun control laws were racist and designed solely to keep guns out of the hands of Blacks so that they could be terrorized.

This exactly! But now they want to control the entire population, not just the blacks
 
Even if you had a magic button that once pressed removed all guns and the idea of guns from existence, so that guns simply didn't exist - mass killings would still continue in the US. Vehicles make excellent killing machines and you could probably kill a lot more people with a vehicle than a gun in the right scenario.

I'm not saying we shouldn't make an effort out of preventing crazies from getting access to weapons but ultimately that isn't the problem. The problem is American culture.

Same thing if you had a magic button to rid of all violent media. Some people are just more violent in nature for various reasons and they will still act out if they are unable to control their behavior. Plenty of people are mentally stable enough to watch or play incredibly violent media and be perfectly sane; but there are people who can't handle that. If you know your child or someone can't handle that type of media then you should do everything in your power to limit exposure.

There really is no perfect solution and nothing will change over night, but stop blaming inanimate objects (guns) and the presence of violent media. The problem is cultural, societal, lack of morals and care for others. This often starts in childhood and can be mitigated by good parents and good families, unfortunately those are becoming less and less common. Our path will not change until this changes. You can take away guns and violent media, but the problem will continue until you solve the real problem, people.
 
When you say tyranny, you must mean like the tyranny faced by the Black community, Post-slavery who was unarmed and harassed by the police and the KKK.

The first gun control laws were racist and designed solely to keep guns out of the hands of Blacks so that they could be terrorized.

If you want to see real tyranny, spend some time outside the US in places like DRC or PRC. Also, gun control does not prevent the bad guys from either getting guns or getting something else to do bad things. You might as well start banning cars.
 
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Video Games aren't the problem.

Violent movies and music aren't the problem.

The problem is that people with criminal intent have access to guns.

Access to guns is the reason there are so many accidental gun deaths among children.

Access to guns is the reason there are so many suicides involving guns.

Access to guns is the reason there are so many homicides involving guns - including domestic violence murders involving guns.

Steve Paddock wasn't playing video games or listening to violent music. The same could be said for the bulk of mass murderers. But the one thing they shared in common was the had access to guns. Specifically semi-automatic rifles with high capacity magazines.

I own guns: Two AR-15 rifles, one Desert Eagle .50, one 257 Magnum S&W, one .38, one Kimber .45 (my CCW) , a Benelli Supernova 12 Gauge and one AR-30.

I play video games regularly.

I watch violent movies regularly.

But I have a stable job and a stable mind so I'm probably the least likely to ever be involved in a gun crime.

Obviously airplanes, trucks, cars and bombs can also be used to kill, but for the most part, with the exception of the bomb - trucks, cars and planes do not have "killing" as a primary purpose. A gun's primary purpose is to kill.

Giving the average citizen access to guns designed to kill large numbers of people in as little time as possible and then filling their mind with violent ideations is a recipe for disaster.

America's media has filled people with fear that they need these weapons to protect what they've got from people trying to take what they've got - a fear that dates all the way back to the genocide of the Natives and settling of the country.

Everyone is a law abiding citizen until they aren't.

"Giving the average citizen access to guns designed to kill large numbers of people in as little time as possible and then filling their mind with violent ideations is a recipe for disaster."

The second half of that statement is the problem. Everything else you say is either refuted - utterly - by statistics from every available source, or is illogical in the extreme. The most amazing part of this diatribe is how self-contradicting it is. If you actually believe what you said in last sentence then you need to turn in all your guns immediately. Please stop spreading disinformation and nonsense, you're not helping. Between the Prohibition days and about 1968 Incidents of gun violence nationwide were pretty rare. We had virtually no gun laws and almost no mass shootings. We also didn't pump our kids full of psychotropic drugs every time they fidgeted in class, nor did we have incredibly graphic violence in prime time. We had the guns back then, but we also had standards. Perhaps we should try bringing back the thing that we actually got rid of.
 
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The shooter's manifesto reads exactly like talking points from fox "news" and the white house. Read it in a trump voice or hannity and it lines up quite well. It's not like it's a huge fking mystery.
 
Video Games aren't the problem.

Violent movies and music aren't the problem.

The problem is access to guns.

LoL. The problem is never the instrument, it is the evil inherent in humanity. Gun control doesn't stop evil from its purpose or ability to access guns, chemicals, explosives, knives, cars to kill people. Just look at terror/mass killings in China, Europe, Asia.

What really matters is having a moral compass with its instilled respect for life and others. The loss of moral respect and values championed by socialism in various forms has scaled directly with the increase in consciousless violence.

Taking guns from the people is also a pathway to facilitating tyranny. National Socialismand Communism are fine examples of the sum game there. And that will be the sum game of fully realized liberal socialism.

The best way to stop mass killings is to stop sensationalizing them through the media (deny the scum the attention they seek), get moral values back in parenting, schools, media, and government (admitting there is right and wrong, and you are not a god, disciplined upbringing to deny sense of entitlement), and straight up killing mass killers.

None of those weapons you listed have anywhere near the effectiveness of guns. For example, you can't drive your car into civilian access only areas like the interior of buildings, concerts, ect. Knives take multiple stabs to kill and only at close range. Explosives require material, pre-meditation, and research (not something you would do willy-nilly and it gives the person a cooling off period to think about it). Obviously even with all that, still not nearly as effective as guns. Chemicals have the same problems as explosives, not to mention having a chemistry / bomb lab might raise some red flags.

I always see the "there are other weapons!" posts but none of the listed weapons are ever nearly as effective as guns. You want moral values? How about requiring a mental background check for gun purchases, it's amazing to me that people declared insane or those who have known mental health issues can so easily get weapons in the US.

Even if you had a magic button that once pressed removed all guns and the idea of guns from existence, so that guns simply didn't exist - mass killings would still continue in the US. Vehicles make excellent killing machines and you could probably kill a lot more people with a vehicle than a gun in the right scenario.

I'm not saying we shouldn't make an effort out of preventing crazies from getting access to weapons but ultimately that isn't the problem. The problem is American culture.

Same thing if you had a magic button to rid of all violent media. Some people are just more violent in nature for various reasons and they will still act out if they are unable to control their behavior. Plenty of people are mentally stable enough to watch or play incredibly violent media and be perfectly sane; but there are people who can't handle that. If you know your child or someone can't handle that type of media then you should do everything in your power to limit exposure.

There really is no perfect solution and nothing will change over night, but stop blaming inanimate objects (guns) and the presence of violent media. The problem is cultural, societal, lack of morals and care for others. This often starts in childhood and can be mitigated by good parents and good families, unfortunately those are becoming less and less common. Our path will not change until this changes. You can take away guns and violent media, but the problem will continue until you solve the real problem, people.

The only place where a car would be effective is something like a country fair. Otherwise, cars aren't typically permitted near areas where a lot of civilians are and there are almost always buildings people can hide in. Cars also need space to maneuver so anyone with half a brain so go into alley, hop a fence, ect. So in fact, comparing cars to guns is a very poor analogy. Cars are about 3% effective as guns are and that's exactly why guns are the weapon of choice for mass shooters (or perhaps mass murderers is better apt in this case).

And yes, another part of this is mental health. Americans are growing up in families where both parents are working all day just to make ends meet. Some mental health care will help but ultimately this is a result of plutocracy in modern america.

When you say tyranny, you must mean like the tyranny faced by the Black community, Post-slavery who was unarmed and harassed by the police and the KKK.

The first gun control laws were racist and designed solely to keep guns out of the hands of Blacks so that they could be terrorized.

If you want to see real tyranny, spend some time outside the US in places like DRC or PRC. Also, gun control does not prevent the bad guys from either getting guns or getting something else to do bad things. You might as well start banning cars.

Are you saying we don't have a problem until we are as bad as north Korea? How far has your expectations for America fallen?

" gun control does not prevent the bad guys from either getting guns or getting something else to do bad things"

No law prevents "bad guys" from doing bad things. The point of laws is to prevent people from becoming "bad guys" in the first place, it's called the deterrent effect and it's been the basis for laws since they were first invented. Unless you are going to tell me that all laws are fundamentally worthless, there are centuries of evidence that the deterrent effect works.

Video Games aren't the problem.

Violent movies and music aren't the problem.

The problem is that people with criminal intent have access to guns.

Access to guns is the reason there are so many accidental gun deaths among children.

Access to guns is the reason there are so many suicides involving guns.

Access to guns is the reason there are so many homicides involving guns - including domestic violence murders involving guns.

Steve Paddock wasn't playing video games or listening to violent music. The same could be said for the bulk of mass murderers. But the one thing they shared in common was the had access to guns. Specifically semi-automatic rifles with high capacity magazines.

I own guns: Two AR-15 rifles, one Desert Eagle .50, one 257 Magnum S&W, one .38, one Kimber .45 (my CCW) , a Benelli Supernova 12 Gauge and one AR-30.

I play video games regularly.

I watch violent movies regularly.

But I have a stable job and a stable mind so I'm probably the least likely to ever be involved in a gun crime.

Obviously airplanes, trucks, cars and bombs can also be used to kill, but for the most part, with the exception of the bomb - trucks, cars and planes do not have "killing" as a primary purpose. A gun's primary purpose is to kill.

Giving the average citizen access to guns designed to kill large numbers of people in as little time as possible and then filling their mind with violent ideations is a recipe for disaster.

America's media has filled people with fear that they need these weapons to protect what they've got from people trying to take what they've got - a fear that dates all the way back to the genocide of the Natives and settling of the country.

Everyone is a law abiding citizen until they aren't.

"Giving the average citizen access to guns designed to kill large numbers of people in as little time as possible and then filling their mind with violent ideations is a recipe for disaster."

The second half of that statement is the problem. Everything else you say is either refuted - utterly - by statistics from every available source, or is illogical in the extreme. The most amazing part of this diatribe is how self-contradicting it is. If you actually believe what you said in last sentence then you need to turn in all your guns immediately. Please stop spreading disinformation and nonsense, you're not helping. Between the Prohibition days and about 1968 Incidents of gun violence nationwide were pretty rare. We had virtually no gun laws and almost no mass shootings. We also didn't pump our kids full of psychotropic drugs every time they fidgeted in class, nor did we have incredibly graphic violence in prime time. We had the guns back then, but we also had standards. Perhaps we should try bringing back the thing that we actually got rid of.

Um, you do realize that multiple gun control laws were enacted between 1950 and 1989 right? In fact, one of them was the gun control act of 1968. In addition in 1989 there was an automatic weapon ban, of which expired this year. So in reality we have weaker gun laws now then we did decades ago.

You can try to pass off the blame but mass shooting have increase accordingly to the weakening of our gun control laws.
 
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When you have a culture that's in rebellion against God and morality, you will most certainly have some among the population to assign unto themselves the status of a god and as an arbiter of morality.
 
When you have a culture that's in rebellion against God and morality, you will most certainly have some among the population to assign unto themselves the status of a god and as an arbiter of morality.

That's why the liberal focus is on the instrument rather than taking responsibility for moral genocide. Lack of morals results in chaos. Denial is preferable for them to accountability.
 
The only place where a car would be effective is something like a country fair. Otherwise, cars aren't typically permitted near areas where a lot of civilians are and there are almost always buildings people can hide in. Cars also need space to maneuver so anyone with half a brain so go into alley, hop a fence, ect. So in fact, comparing cars to guns is a very poor analogy. Cars are about 3% effective as guns are and that's exactly why guns are the weapon of choice for mass shooters (or perhaps mass murderers is better apt in this case).

Really? That's the only place you can think vehicles can be used to kill? I guaran-damn-tee you if guns didn't exist, vehicles would be quite effective. And 3% effective? Where did you pull that number from? What an arbitrary and nonsensical figure. I don't think the people in Nice, France felt their injuries and deaths were only 3% effective during that terrorist attack that killed over 80 people with a single vehicle.

I know you are trying to establish that the gun is designed to kill, and the vehicle is not but that doesn't mean that something can't be used effectively for something it was never intended for. I can unfortunately think of many effective ways to commit mass murder with a vehicle, and honestly would be more effective than with a firearm. It is a lot harder to stop someone from a pedestrian perspective running people down in a vehicle than it is to stop someone with a gun, especially if you or someone else also has a gun for self defense. Look at it this way, whenever police encounter a person gunning people down it only takes a few seconds to stop them once they make contact, but when they encounter a person ramming their vehicle and driving like a maniac it often takes them several minutes to stop them.

My point is it doesn't matter what is used or what effectiveness it has for killing. The source if the problem is not things that can be used to kill, it is the screwed up culture of violence and hate that has been brewing in the USA for many, many years. You can ban everything under the sun but in the end if you still have a culture that breeds and tolerates violence the problem will continue.
 
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