Facebook extends Trump's ban to 2 years, resolves to be harsher on politicians

[scavengerspc]

If one breaks ranks toward liberalism, the rest of the wolf pack turns on him.

I don't mean to beat a dead horse so to speak, but Liz Cheney is a perfect example of what telling the truth gets you with the right now.

 

[pcnthuziast]

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[scavengerspc]

2 party system is entirely the problem. Oh the irony of a nation where the premise of being united begins with picking a side.

Ok, but I don't think many Americans look at it that way. Rather than seeing it as picking a team, I look at it more as picking a favorite player on the same team.

 

[NightAntilli]

No. Those people were fellow Americans. Misguided, but not deranged. Trusting any of the powers that be is the folly. The media establishment pumps out lies at many times the rate and volume of most politicians, even the MAGA overlord's twitter fingers. He is a poison no doubt, but the reaction to him by his opposition is a far more caustic force to be reckoned with. And be reckoned with they must.

Glad to see someone that understands... It is extremely easy to fall into the trap of thinking you're on the good side. Whenever emotional motivation is involved, it makes you prone to manipulation. And I hope more people can become aware of this. It is a tragedy when good intentions are misused to commit atrocities.

 

[pcnthuziast]

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[captaincranky]

2 party system is entirely the problem. Oh the irony of a nation where the premise of being united begins with picking a side.

Yeah well, we've bought into this two party bag of crap because, "with a more splintered party system, nobody ever has 'the mandate' to rule".

In my lifetime it's never been as divided as it is today.. These humps we have in office are sold to us. Did you ever walk int a voting booth when you even knew who the down ballot candidates were, or anything about them? Sh!t, I pick if I like the sound of their name

You'd have to study hours a day to find out who they were and what they stand for..

Take a judge for example. Would you be willing to study their case history, and decisions, to cast a vote for a particular magisterial candidate?.

 

[captaincranky]

He is a poison no doubt, but the reaction to him by his opposition is a far more caustic force to be reckoned with. And be reckoned with they must. (by they I mean the corporate elites and bureaucrats, not fellow Americans)

Yes, but who you assume to be "overlords", aren't actually the puppet masters. True that the most visible are mostly liberal, but the ones behind the scenes running venture capital firms and such, are all conservatives, and all in favor of protracted conservatism. And oh yes, not having to pay taxes

 

[pcnthuziast]

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[captaincranky]

I disagree completely, but fair enough. The problem with that position is in believing ANY of the players are loyal to 'the team' you analogously used to represent the nation.

I told you that politicians are narcissistic sociopaths, only loyal to themselves, and you told me I was, "blovating" Which n essence, is exactly what you are saying here.

So, it's only true when you say it?

 

[pcnthuziast]

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[captaincranky]

Oh the irony of someone assuming what I am assuming. lol You quoted my post, but did you even read it? Understand it?

(light hearted jabs with no hard feelings btw, I just like to go hard lol)

You're all over the map. I got the part about you think it's time for a revolution, and I tactfully ignored it.

 

[captaincranky]

They're not crazy though and not just loyal to themselves. The issue is who they aren't loyal to which is us, the republic they are elected to serve.

"Crazy" isn't a viable term to describe character traits. Or, it's a very uneducated generic, and lazy term.

Sociopaths can function as a group, as long as their personal needs are met first.

And yes, you're entirely correct that we're (the public), not in that peer group.

I was watching a TV crime drama, in which a high ranking corporate board member had been murdered, So, the detective said something offhand like, "this looks like it was committed by a sociopath". To which a board member replied, "we're all sociopaths here, so who do you think did it",.

The only reason you're equating "sociopathy" with "crazy". is because only the most violent and remorseless ever make the news. You know, serial killers and their ilk.

 

[pcnthuziast]

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[captaincranky]

For my final word on the matter I will simply share my creed in hopes more Americans adopt it:

I am not a Republican or a Democrat, I am an American.
I am not a Conservative or a Liberal, I am an Individual.
I am not on the Right or the Left, I am Free!

Then you should run for office on those values. The only problem with that is, once you enter politics, you will almost certainly become the thing you allegedly despise, a politician.

"Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely", deal with it.

 

[wiyosaya]

No. Those people were fellow Americans. Misguided, but not deranged. Trusting any of the powers that be is the folly. The media establishment pumps out lies at many times the rate and volume of most politicians, even the MAGA overlord's twitter fingers. He is a poison no doubt, but the reaction to him by his opposition is a far more caustic force to be reckoned with. And be reckoned with they must. (by they I mean the corporate elites and bureaucrats, not fellow Americans)

Interesting that it sounds like you're taking the "mostly harmless" approach. The charges these fellow Americans are facing certainly show that they are not viewed as mostly harmless by the authorities. So, in your opinion, would you say that those who participated in the events of January 6th should be let off with a slap on the wrist because they are mostly harmless and misguided? I do not think letting them off would send the lawful message, and it would only misguide them even more into thinking that what happened on January 6th is perfectly OK and it would be perfectly OK for something like that to happen again.

Honestly, I think the thing most frightening aspect of US politics these days is those who continue to worship and support Trump. If he had his way, he would have had the election results, which represent the will of the people and are a cornerstone of democracy in the US, overturned simply because he did not like the results. Somehow, I find it rather ironic that people who disagree with that statement (noting that the US was formed by a revolution against a King) seem to indicate that they somehow support his efforts to destroy democracy in the US and install a king or a Putin like dictator instead. Whether you like it or not, I see this as something that can never be allowed to happen, and it astonishes me that the misguided somehow seem to think this is OK as long as it happens to be the guy from their side that is installed.

I do agree that there are those elected officials who have stated that they do not care what their constituents think, and IMO, this is wrong.

It makes me wonder whether the US is on its final legs. https://www.algemeiner.com/2015/01/...ization-8-simple-steps-to-squandering-it-all/

 

[Cubi Dorf]

My english is not best, but “ A politician is a person active in party politics, or a person holding or seeking an elected seat in government.” from https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politician

Trump, at this point, is a private citizen, not a politician. Thus he is subject to the same policy rules on platforms like Fakebook and Tweeter as other private citizens are.

 

[captaincranky]

My english is not best, but “ A politician is a person active in party politics, or a person holding or seeking an elected seat in government.” from

How about if we settle on, "a once and future demagogue wannabe".

 

[Arbie]

Supporting the Election Steal Big Lie is the loyalty test Trump now demands of all Republican pols: do so and get reelected; deny the Lie and be replaced in the next primary. Trump has promised this and will use his millions of zombie voters to deliver. Maryland Governor Hogan (R) says it's "fealty to Dear Leader or get kicked out" - and he would know.

RINOs (Republican, Integrity Not Optional) such as Cheney, McCain, Romney etc. must leave. Right-wing but patriotic, they can't stomach the damage to our national trust, processes, and reputation. Nor will they grovel or carry the Big Lie.

With all dissenters purged, the former GOP will no longer have a platform, or a moral compass. It will simply promote whatever Trump says. That will have been proven. The GOP will be a political gang - literally the Gang Of Poltroons. That's the parallel with historical fascism and the right's constant thirst for an authoritarian solution.

Our stable and admired two-party system, which has seen us through 150 years of crises, will be gone. We'll have the Dems, a tiny Independent Party, and the screaming alt-right GOP gang - who will become more hysterical and dangerous with each election they lose. Thanks solely to Donald Trump and his insatiable ego. This is why his niece, a clinical psychologist, calls him "the most dangerous man in the world".

People who maunder about the left and right both having faults etc. are not thinking. Our extreme left is "extend public education through college". Our extreme right is "take over the government and set up camps". Those aren't somehow similar, or equally concerning, or whatever. They are starkly different, and any equivalism is a major mistake.

These are the real dangers right now. Labored dissertations on why the platforms should be obliged to continue printing Trump's toxic, lying rants are clueless at best.

 

[pcnthuziast]

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[scavengerspc]

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After some consideration I wish a mod would purge all my comments from this thread tbh. And I want my account banned if I EVER involve myself in a political discussion again. Full stop.


I hereby fully consent to those terms and to be banned on those grounds in the future.

Where's the fun in that?

 

[pcnthuziast]

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[scavengerspc]

EDIT - Cleaned it up

 

[Bill A]

Should of been permanent

Should've*