Facebook extends Trump's ban to 2 years, resolves to be harsher on politicians

[PEnnn]

Lots of butthurt from the usual suspects here. They're all frothing at the mouth because in their absent minds, inciting violence and overturning an election should be protected rights.

Sorry to deflate your egos and your ludicrous arguments, but you have no idea what the Constitution that you're hiding behind, and SCOTUS as well, say on the subject.

Reading about this subject is highly recommended, assuming y'all know how to calm down and have that thing called : "Reading comprehension."!!

 

[Arbie]

The really scary thing is, the democrats and their supporters seem to think that there is nothing wrong with the politician they hate being silenced. How far do they go? Re-education camps for trump supporters or anyone the left calls a racist? That is the next step. No wonder almost all totalitarian Nazi like regimes start on the left.

Typical SB word salad, confused and in this case semi-hysterical (and non-US to begin with...). If you must stick your nose in, at least get a clue: Nobody is being silenced! Nobody is setting up camps! Your silly "they'll come for you next" isn't even applicable! And racism is bad! Gawd. Please don't move here.

 

[Arbie]

You either support free speech or you support censored speech, there is no middle ground.

That's one of the most ignorant statements here. Most of it is middle ground! There are countless court decisions dealing with exactly this: in a society fundamentally committed to free political speech, where are the bounds? Which BTW are themselves a moving target as technology changes.

 

[captaincranky]

No. Facebook's user growth has been stagnating in the West for the past couple years, only momentarily bouyed by the pandemic.

Hmm, things ARE looking up...

Although, given the number of mental defectives on the platform, I think membership would have to fall by at least 50% to make even a modicum of improvement.

Besides, if they lost the "Trump-ke-ters", (The Mickey Mouse Club's heavily armed and insane evil doubles), and a few of the terror cells, I'd consider that at least equilibrium.

 

[sdms96825]

Normally, I would oppose such a ban on any political figure, regardless of party affiliation, but Trump is a Russian/Putin asset, and as such is a clear and present danger, and an existential threat to the U. S., and should be treated as such.

"asset"? Leave out the "et" and I agree.

 

[tacobravo]

But not against terrorist groups who use their platform?!?

 

[NightAntilli]

Fact 1:
Trump was demonized and made a fool of by Facebook and the mainstream media for saying that the virus came from the Wuhan LAB

Fact 2:
Now that Biden says the same thing, suddenly everyone believes it and Facebook allows discussing it on their platform without getting warnings or getting banned.


Those two facts tell you everything you need to know about what this Facebook 'policy' actually entails.

 

[captaincranky]

Fact 1:
Trump was demonized and made a fool of by Facebook and the mainstream media for saying that the virus came from the Wuhan LAB

No, Trump demonized himself long, long, before that, when he called Covid, "a democratic hoax"

I could cite numerous instances of Trump trying to talk with both feet in his mouth, But I don't have hours and hours to waste on you.

Maybe one, huh? Trump didn't actually win in 2016, at least not according to the people, Ms. Clinton did.. He won by a trick of the electoral college. Now, when that happened, all the "leftists", wanted to do away with the electoral college. BUT, they didn't whip up an angry mob to storm the capitol to kill Mike Pence and others.

Now, why don't you explain to me, why Hillary didn't start months of baseless claims and meritless court cases about voter fraud. She gracefully conceded, and that was that.

The simple fact of the matter is, that Trump didn't actually win the popular vote last time. So why in the name of sanity, would he expect to win it this time, going into an election with an approval rating under 40%?

And before you start running your yap about me being a leftist, I was foolish enough to vote for that psychotic piece of crap in 2016..
(Actually I voted against Hillary Clinton, but that's splitting hairs)..

Now, why don't you run along and check the air pressure in your MAGA hat. Oh, and stop by Georgia and find me 11.000 votes while you're at it.

 

[Alfatawi Mendel]

Wow, so Facebook can censor what we see to drive their own political agenda?

Yep. Just like the rest of the MSM. (Including ALL of the right-wing bods like Fox etc.)
Or are you naive enough to think you have freedom of speech?

 

[yRaz]

Yep. Just like the rest of the MSM. (Including ALL of the right-wing bods like Fox etc.)
Or are you naive enough to think you have freedom of speech?

That's quite the assumption you made about my political views.

And, yes, we do have freedom of speech. Whether the speech gets you prosecuted for hate speech or insighting riots is another thing, but you're free to say whatever you want

 

[NightAntilli]

No, Trump demonized himself long, long, before that, when he called Covid, "a democratic hoax"

I could cite numerous instances of Trump trying to talk with both feet in his mouth, But I don't have hours and hours to waste on you.

Maybe one, huh? Trump didn't actually win in 2016, at least not according to the people, Ms. Clinton did.. He won by a trick of the electoral college. Now, when that happened, all the "leftists", wanted to do away with the electoral college. BUT, they didn't whip up an angry mob to storm the capitol to kill Mike Pence and others.

Now, why don't you explain to me, why Hillary didn't start moths of baseless claims and meritless court cases about voter fraud. She gracefully conceded, and that was that.

The simple fact of the matter is, that since didn't actually wil the popular vote last time, why in the name of sanity would he expect to win it this time, going into an election with an approval rating under 40%?

Now, why don't run along and check the air pressure in your MAGA hat.

And before you start running your yap about me being a leftist, I was foolish enough to vote for that psychotic piece of crap in 2016..

(Actually I voted against Hillary Clinton, but that's splitting hairs)..

That's quite a long post. Too bad it's all completely irrelevant to my point.

Trump's other statements and actions don't matter. The truth is the truth, no matter who says it. And if a platform cannot distinguish the truth from the person, and more importantly, the truth from political agendas, they have no business telling anyone what can or cannot be said.

 

[captaincranky]

Trump's other statements and actions don't matter. The truth is the truth, no matter who says it. And if a platform cannot distinguish the truth from the person, and more importantly, the truth from political agendas, they have no business telling anyone what can or cannot be said.

Then directly to your point, Trump has been defined by many, including myself as, "a pathological liar". He also started a trade war with China. Consequently, the platform is more open to Biden's reckonings on the topic.

More to the point, you don't actually have a point. Trumps calling out China about the "Kung Flu", was insignificant in the overall reason he was banned from the platform..

But, if you want to hang out and nitpick all day, I hang in there with ya as long as I can.

 

[Cubi Dorf]

I don't care about American politic, but to silence a politician is a form of manipulating election.

 

[Alfatawi Mendel]

What is all the kerfuffle about Facebook banning Trump? I thought he was going to invent his own version of it? Whatever happened to THAT?

 

[captaincranky]

I don't care about American politic, but to silence a politician is a form of manipulating election.

Trust me nobody "silenced Trump'. It would appear that no one is able to even quiet him down a bit..

Joe Biden barely used Twitter or Facebook, and certainly no where near the way Trump did. (I think Biden did do some low key fundraising, but it was without a bullhorn).

Trump, his cronies, and Republican PACs raised hundreds of millions of dollars toward his reelection. Months before the election, there was a Trump commercial at every break on broadcast TV. (Which believe it or not, some people, including myself, still watch).
And kidz, that's called "roadblocking", nation wide.

"Roadblocking", that's when a car commercial comes on, and you try to change the channel to get away from it, when lo and behold, they're still trying to sell you the same damned Toyota on that channel too.

The point is, private industry doesn't have to conform to our 1st amendment. Or offer a psychopath a free platform to say anything he wants, about anybody he wants, in any manner he feels like.

In reality, you or I probably would have been banned long before Trump's halfway point..

 

[Cubi Dorf]

I don't care about your 1st amendment. When I comment on story, it is how I think thing should work, not how they work in your country.

My understanding of this situation, this politician was not convict guilty of any crime by your government. But Facebook is ban politician. Does this not seem like election manipulation? It does to unbias outsider. That is tricky thing about democracy. You don't have democracy if you manipulate politics because you don't agree or like a candidate. Everyone want to blame Russia for election manipulation through Facebook, but it ok when Facebook manipulate election through Facebook?

Trust me nobody "silenced Trump'. It would appear that no one is able to even quiet him down a bit..

Joe Biden barely used Twitter or Facebook, and certainly no where near the way Trump did.

Trump, his cronies, and Republican PACs raised hundreds of millions of dollars toward his reelection. Months before the election, there was a Trump commercial at every break on broadcast TV. (Which believe it or not, some people, including myself, still watch).

The point is, private industry doesn't have to conform to our 1st amendment. Or offer a psychopath a free platform to say anything he wants, about anybody he wants, in any manner he feels l;ike.

In reality, you or I probably would have been banned long before Trump's halfway point..

 

[captaincranky]

I don't care about your 1st amendment. When I comment on story, it is how I think thing should work, not how they work in your country.

You know, Trump has been a stone cold liar for decades. There notably was a years long campaign by him, that Barack Obama wasn't an American citizen. And he was only warming up with that whopper.

More to the point, since you don't care about our 1st amendment, why trouble us by cogitating about it, ruminating about it, suggesting changes with it, or anything else about it.

How does free speech work in your country? Why not take the time you're wasting here, and mold that to your ideals?

As it stands now, you'd never be silenced in an American presidential election, since it's illegal for you to run in one.

Here's why:

To serve as president (of the USA), one must:

• be a natural-born U.S. citizen of the United States;
• be at least 35 years old;
• be a resident in the United States for at least 14 years.

 

[NightAntilli]

Then directly to your point, Trump has been defined by many, including myself as, "a pathological liar". He also started a trade war with China. Consequently, the platform is more open to Biden's reckonings on the topic.

More to the point, you don't actually have a point. Trumps calling out China about the "Kung Flu", was insignificant in the overall reason he was banned from the platform..

But, if you want to hang out and nitpick all day, I hang in there with ya as long as I can.

And you still have not understood the point. This has very little to do with Trump or Biden, and everything to do with oppression. You're too caught up in the battle that the media has fed you. This goes beyond that.

But whatever.

 

[captaincranky]

And you still have not understood the point. This has very little to do with Trump or Biden, and everything to do with oppression.

But whatever.

You know, you can only say so many rude things to people before they abandon you, your wife divorces you, you're no longer invited on late night talk shows, or you possibly lose your job..

From you stance, I would think you would categorize as "being oppressed".

I did understand your point. It's just that IMO, it's a bunch of "Trumped up" <(see what I did there), picayune bullsh!t.

You have to JOIN Facebook. If you don't want to be subjected to its "propaganda" or "political agenda", simply don't go there. Watch Fox news instead. Go to a Trump rally . Bang off to a picture of Ivanka. Whatever floats your boat.

 

[NightAntilli]

You know, you can only say so many rude things to people before they abandon you, your wife divorces you, you're no longer invited on late night talk shows, or you possibly lose your job..

From you stance, I would think you would categorize as "being oppressed".

I did understand your point. It's just that IMO, it's a bunch of "Trumped up" <(see what I did there), picayune bullsh!t.

You have to JOIN Facebook. If you don't want to be subjected to its "propaganda" or "political agenda", simply don't go there. Watch Fox news instead. Go to a Trump rally . Bang off to a picture of Ivanka. Whatever floats your boat.

If you truly believed that, you would have stopped following Trump a long time ago, since you obviously have a fierce dislike towards him. You wouldn't need a platform to censor him for you to stop paying attention to him... Right...? RIGHT???

 

[Cubi Dorf]

Facebook is global. Facebook policy is global. It is not policy for only one politician. It is not policy for only one country.

Free speech is a concept. Not a law. A law can protect the concept. American first amendment protect only from jail. It is important but minimal protection for speeches.

I am not interest in american president even if I am meeting any of requirement. I am also not here to argue. I am just share opinion and have discussion with friend.

You know, Trump has been a stone cold liar for decades. There notably was a years long campaign by him, that Barack Obama wasn't an American citizen. And he was only warming up with that whopper.

More to the point, since you don't care about our 1st amendment, why trouble us by cogitating about it, ruminating about it, suggesting changes with it, or anything else about it.

How does free speech work in your country? Why not take the time you're wasting here, and mold that to your ideals?

As it stands now, you'd never be silenced in an American presidential election, since it's illegal for you to run in one.

Here's why:

To serve as president (of the USA), one must:

• be a natural-born U.S. citizen of the United States;
• be at least 35 years old;
• be a resident in the United States for at least 14 years.

 

[captaincranky]

If you truly believed that, you would have stopped following Trump a long time ago, since you obviously have a fierce dislike towards him. You wouldn't need a platform to censor him for you to stop paying attention to him... Right...? RIGHT???

Wrong, wrong. I don't "follow Trump". Every time I turn on the national news, I have my nose rubbed in Trump's lies, delusions, and fantasies I don't go to Trump rallies, I don't find Ivanka that attractive.

But first and foremost, I don't belong to Facebook..

The only other question I have is, "where the hell is Lee Harvey Oswald when you really need him"?

 

[wiyosaya]

Fact 1:
Trump was demonized and made a fool of by Facebook and the mainstream media for saying that the virus came from the Wuhan LAB

Fact 2:
Now that Biden says the same thing, suddenly everyone believes it and Facebook allows discussing it on their platform without getting warnings or getting banned.


Those two facts tell you everything you need to know about what this Facebook 'policy' actually entails.

Your second fact is not a fact; rather, it seems to be an interpretation of a recent news article that said that Biden has ordered an investigation into the origin of COVID-19. Biden is not saying that the virus originated in the lab; he is just saying he wants the origin of COVID-19 investigated. https://apnews.com/f98d73476a1a4942ca5528fa5dfff70f The investigation is consistent with what other scientists are saying, and unlike Trump, Biden is not insisting that it did originate in a Wuhan lab. Unlike Trump, Biden is looking for the truth and Biden is not looking for the truth to be what he imagines the truth is - as Trump always does. Trump's truth is founded in his delusional imagination.

And as to your Fact 1, Trump insisted, as opposed to presenting irrefutable evidence, that the virus originated in a Wuhan lab, if not in fact, then it was by his persistent references to things like the Kung Flu. Trump has a habit of insisting that things are true when he has no evidence. Take, for example, that he is no longer president. He claims the election was stolen from him, and in numerous court cases, could present no credible evidence of his theories of the election being stolen.

Literally anything taken that comes from the mouth of Trump as fact, is, based on Trumps prior lies, a lie.

I suspect that Trump persistently lies is a big part of the reason Fakebook banned him.

 

[captaincranky]

Facebook is global. Facebook policy is global. It is not policy for only one politician. It is not policy for only one country.

Free speech is a concept. Not a law. A law can protect the concept. American first amendment protect only from jail. It is important but minimal protection for speeches.

I am not interest in american president even if I am meeting any of requirement. I am also not here to argue. I am just share opinion and have discussion with friend.

Why don't you move to Russia, North Korea, maybe Iran, or Saudi Arabia, and then get back to me when you have those "free speech issues" ironed out. I'm sure they'd love to hear from,you, and would heartily embrace your input. Maybe they'd even offer you a "polonium 210 cocktail"

Apologies, that's about as "friendly" as I can muster in the way of a "reality check".

 

[wiyosaya]

And you still have not understood the point. This has very little to do with Trump or Biden, and everything to do with oppression. You're too caught up in the battle that the media has fed you. This goes beyond that.

But whatever.

Bullcrap. You want oppression? Go down that slippery slope of telling companies like Fakebook and Tweeter what they can and cannot have posted on their platforms. Pretty soon after that, the government will be telling you what you can and cannot say about the government itself, and Bang, there you have the US being exactly like communist China.

But conservatives are all up in arms because they think they are being slighted, so they want the constitution changed because it now offends their sensibilities. IMO, conservatives should pull their heads out of their a$$es and realize that in a country like the US, laws apply to everyone and not just when they are convenient for them.