Fans going crazy after BIOS update
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kitty500cat
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captaincranky
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I Understand This Is Not Ideal But,......
Hey,hang a fan control panel on it. I said it wasn't ideal, just don't set the fans too slow. It could save you a trip to the shop while you try to find the BIOS and/or software.
Hey,hang a fan control panel on it. I said it wasn't ideal, just don't set the fans too slow. It could save you a trip to the shop while you try to find the BIOS and/or software.
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HOW to FLASH/ UPDATE BIOS
Flashing a BIOS simply means updating the BIOS. The rule of thumb with updating BIOS is "if it ain't broke - don't fix it." This is because if a BIOS update is incorrect or not done right, you essentially have an expensive paperweight. BIOS stands for Basic Input Operating System. It is a program "burned" into an EPROM - an Eraseable Programmable Read Only Memory chip on your motherboard. The EPROM is a computer chip which contains simple instructions required for the most basic of computing functions - it tells your motherboard how to boot, self-checking functions, and hardware default settings among other things. Motherboards may vary slightly in updating procedures, but not by a whole lot. Generally, you will be using a floppy drive. Yes- remember that old floppy drive? (A real floppy - not a USB type.) You're gonna need one. While BIOS flashing can be done with CD ROMs on some newer motherboards, this is not recommended. This is because BIOS updating works at the core level of computing functions. ALL Intel based computers (this includes AMD) have the ancient 8088 microprocessor architecture at their very inner core in order to perform BIOS functions. Whether the chip is dual-core, AMD, 486, Pentium-D, Athlon XP, 64, etc... it does not matter... at their most inner recess, they have this function. What you are attempting to do is essentially a "brain-swap." BIOS updating SHOULD ONLY BE DONE if there is an issue with your CPU or if a motherboard has difficulty with hardware and it is a known BIOS issue. Check your motherboard manufactuer to see if you need one.
BIOS updating is a methodical, precise and slow procedure. If you do not have patience or you are unsure what you are attempting to do, then DO NOT do it yourself.
How to obtain a BIOS update
First, you would need to find out the make and model of your main board (motherboard). The next step would be to visit the manufacturer's web site and try to find a page that has something to do with downloading, motherboards, support, or anything that will inevitably lead you to a BIOS update (if available).
Once you have downloaded the correct BIOS file for your main board, view any specific instructions about flashing the BIOS. This is usually contained in the downloaded archive, or online the manufacturer's site.
Backup the BIOS first!
Before you update, ALWAYS back up your old BIOS first. Most BIOS programs will ask you to save a copy of the current BIOS. Always save it in case your flash fails, you can attempt to re-flash using the old BIOS while your computer is still turned on. Once you turn off your computer with a failed flash, you're jacked - time for a new motherboard.
Begin by creating a windows bootable floppy disk. Then save your old BIOS onto that floppy. Make a note of the old file name. Use a fresh floppy disk. Old floppies laying around have a high failure rate and you don't want one to fail when updating. Murphey's law baby! Also ensure you have good, clean power - preferably have your system on an Uninteruptable Power Supply (UPS). Any power failure will also the flash to fail.
If this happens, attempt to reload the old BIOS *before* you turn off your computer. If the computer is powered down after a failed flash (due to power outage / hardware failure / corrupt BIOS*), there is a good chance your computer may never boot again -- at least, until it is repaired by the manufacturer.
Upload the New BIOS
After you have obtained the new BIOS file, SAVE it to the bootable floppy disk you created. Note the NEW file name.
Now boot the computer with the bootable floppy. Run the DOS file that loads the new file. It will ask you for the name of the new BIOS. Enter that name. You may have to do this as a command at the DOS prompt. Programs vary. Again check the manufactuer's instructions.
Typically, BIOS flashers only work under DOS and generally work like this:
DOSprompt:\> biosflasher.exe biosfilename.xxx
For example:
A:\>biosflash.exe NEWBIOS.dat
NOW BE PATIENT. This can take a minute or two. Ensure it completes. DO NOT POWER off the computer until it says complete or it is done. Once everything is complete, then you can reboot the system without the floppy. Cross fingers and everything should come up ok. You may have to also update other drivers and software as necessary. Again, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
Flashing a BIOS simply means updating the BIOS. The rule of thumb with updating BIOS is "if it ain't broke - don't fix it." This is because if a BIOS update is incorrect or not done right, you essentially have an expensive paperweight. BIOS stands for Basic Input Operating System. It is a program "burned" into an EPROM - an Eraseable Programmable Read Only Memory chip on your motherboard. The EPROM is a computer chip which contains simple instructions required for the most basic of computing functions - it tells your motherboard how to boot, self-checking functions, and hardware default settings among other things. Motherboards may vary slightly in updating procedures, but not by a whole lot. Generally, you will be using a floppy drive. Yes- remember that old floppy drive? (A real floppy - not a USB type.) You're gonna need one. While BIOS flashing can be done with CD ROMs on some newer motherboards, this is not recommended. This is because BIOS updating works at the core level of computing functions. ALL Intel based computers (this includes AMD) have the ancient 8088 microprocessor architecture at their very inner core in order to perform BIOS functions. Whether the chip is dual-core, AMD, 486, Pentium-D, Athlon XP, 64, etc... it does not matter... at their most inner recess, they have this function. What you are attempting to do is essentially a "brain-swap." BIOS updating SHOULD ONLY BE DONE if there is an issue with your CPU or if a motherboard has difficulty with hardware and it is a known BIOS issue. Check your motherboard manufactuer to see if you need one.
BIOS updating is a methodical, precise and slow procedure. If you do not have patience or you are unsure what you are attempting to do, then DO NOT do it yourself.
How to obtain a BIOS update
First, you would need to find out the make and model of your main board (motherboard). The next step would be to visit the manufacturer's web site and try to find a page that has something to do with downloading, motherboards, support, or anything that will inevitably lead you to a BIOS update (if available).
Once you have downloaded the correct BIOS file for your main board, view any specific instructions about flashing the BIOS. This is usually contained in the downloaded archive, or online the manufacturer's site.
Backup the BIOS first!
Before you update, ALWAYS back up your old BIOS first. Most BIOS programs will ask you to save a copy of the current BIOS. Always save it in case your flash fails, you can attempt to re-flash using the old BIOS while your computer is still turned on. Once you turn off your computer with a failed flash, you're jacked - time for a new motherboard.
Begin by creating a windows bootable floppy disk. Then save your old BIOS onto that floppy. Make a note of the old file name. Use a fresh floppy disk. Old floppies laying around have a high failure rate and you don't want one to fail when updating. Murphey's law baby! Also ensure you have good, clean power - preferably have your system on an Uninteruptable Power Supply (UPS). Any power failure will also the flash to fail.
If this happens, attempt to reload the old BIOS *before* you turn off your computer. If the computer is powered down after a failed flash (due to power outage / hardware failure / corrupt BIOS*), there is a good chance your computer may never boot again -- at least, until it is repaired by the manufacturer.
Upload the New BIOS
After you have obtained the new BIOS file, SAVE it to the bootable floppy disk you created. Note the NEW file name.
Now boot the computer with the bootable floppy. Run the DOS file that loads the new file. It will ask you for the name of the new BIOS. Enter that name. You may have to do this as a command at the DOS prompt. Programs vary. Again check the manufactuer's instructions.
Typically, BIOS flashers only work under DOS and generally work like this:
DOSprompt:\> biosflasher.exe biosfilename.xxx
For example:
A:\>biosflash.exe NEWBIOS.dat
NOW BE PATIENT. This can take a minute or two. Ensure it completes. DO NOT POWER off the computer until it says complete or it is done. Once everything is complete, then you can reboot the system without the floppy. Cross fingers and everything should come up ok. You may have to also update other drivers and software as necessary. Again, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
This is so frustrating. I don't think that most of you get what is going on here except those of us who have the HP Pavilion A1410N and have received this automatic BIOS update from HP.
We didn't FLASH our BIOS in the traditional sense. We were prompted over and over (for me over 1.5 years) to do this upgrade. I would always close the balloon windown that came up in Windows XP every week or so. This time however I wasn't paying attention and instead of saying 'NO' to the update I click 'YES'. That's where everything hit the fan. The BIOS update was smooth and automated. All within Windows XP. No floppies or booting to DOS. When the system rebooted, the CPU fan immediately redlined. The CPU temp quickly rose to over 100C. This has nothing to do with playing games vs browsing. It does this in DOS. The CPU pegs at 100%, WIndows XP crawls and eventually hangs. Nothing you do changes this. Not SPEEDFAN, nor any of the other suggestions I keep seeing on multiple threads.
HP is apparently not doing anything about it for now 2 years, and the system is completely useless. I have an open ticket with them I recently submitted and I am awaiting there response. I am sure I will see a note from them saying this unit is out of warranty and there is nothing they can do. But the machine did not fail. It was a bad BIOS update that they release. I would accept that the BIOS update was unsuccessful and it was bad luck for me if it were only me. But I am seeing evidence on the web that others are having the same problem with the same update. So it appears this is a wound inflicted by HP.
I can't believe no one has resolved this problem yet nor gotten HP to post a fix. We paid good money for this PC and because of one manufacturer update it's now a door stop.
I am also aware of the 'hit f11 3 times' feature. There is nothing in there that resolves this problem. If the fan is running hot almost immediately after POST and the FAN Is running hard, why would you want to use some utility or feature to reduce the speed of the fan. I say fix the problem that causes the CPU to peg at 100%, run hot and cause the fan to run hard.
HP has a BIOS update available from October 2006. Tried it. Same problem. So either the hardware is fried now, or that BIOS update has the same problem. Can find the original BIOS update anywhere.
If anyone has any really help to provide I'm all ears. Preferably from someone that has resolved this issue with their A1410N!
We didn't FLASH our BIOS in the traditional sense. We were prompted over and over (for me over 1.5 years) to do this upgrade. I would always close the balloon windown that came up in Windows XP every week or so. This time however I wasn't paying attention and instead of saying 'NO' to the update I click 'YES'. That's where everything hit the fan. The BIOS update was smooth and automated. All within Windows XP. No floppies or booting to DOS. When the system rebooted, the CPU fan immediately redlined. The CPU temp quickly rose to over 100C. This has nothing to do with playing games vs browsing. It does this in DOS. The CPU pegs at 100%, WIndows XP crawls and eventually hangs. Nothing you do changes this. Not SPEEDFAN, nor any of the other suggestions I keep seeing on multiple threads.
HP is apparently not doing anything about it for now 2 years, and the system is completely useless. I have an open ticket with them I recently submitted and I am awaiting there response. I am sure I will see a note from them saying this unit is out of warranty and there is nothing they can do. But the machine did not fail. It was a bad BIOS update that they release. I would accept that the BIOS update was unsuccessful and it was bad luck for me if it were only me. But I am seeing evidence on the web that others are having the same problem with the same update. So it appears this is a wound inflicted by HP.
I can't believe no one has resolved this problem yet nor gotten HP to post a fix. We paid good money for this PC and because of one manufacturer update it's now a door stop.
I am also aware of the 'hit f11 3 times' feature. There is nothing in there that resolves this problem. If the fan is running hot almost immediately after POST and the FAN Is running hard, why would you want to use some utility or feature to reduce the speed of the fan. I say fix the problem that causes the CPU to peg at 100%, run hot and cause the fan to run hard.
HP has a BIOS update available from October 2006. Tried it. Same problem. So either the hardware is fried now, or that BIOS update has the same problem. Can find the original BIOS update anywhere.
If anyone has any really help to provide I'm all ears. Preferably from someone that has resolved this issue with their A1410N!
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