Fight for Net Neutrality back in court tomorrow

I like to think Obama was attempting to keep the FCC bi-partisan by nominating Pai, and Trump seized on Obama's lapse in judgement.
That's pretty much the way that I like to look at it, too. Obama was, IMO, trying to be a good guy and, to a certain extent, did things that were bi-partisan in nature. However, I think in trying to be a good guy, he wrongly assumed that the other side would reciprocate with similar good guy actions.

There is one case where I think that he was a "good guy" might have actually been a good thing, although, I do not think was necessarily in the best interests of the country. That is in not appointing Merrick Garland to the SCOTUS.

However, when one side or the other has done things like that, the opposing side usually does the same thing back out of spite.
 
No, Trump is certainly not dumb. What he is is an egomaniac, a sociopath and a pathological liar. At this point in time, it would be better for the country if he was merely stupid and realized it. (*)

And yes, I voted for him, so don't dismiss me as a "bitter far left Democratic Clinton supporter".

His latest stunt with the "give me 5.7 billion or I'll close the government", smacks of a juvenile delinquent kicking his date out of the car if he doesn't get his way with her. It's basically a, "my way, or the highway", tantrum and ploy! Sure Donny boy, that's real mature. He simply doesn't give a crap about how many people he hurts, (IE 800,000 federal workers, along with tourists and businesses who depend on them), as he rams his personal beliefs, opinions and agenda down all of our throats.

Not to mention the fact that the a**hole ran his mouth through his entire campaign about how, "Mexico is going to pay for the wall".

BTW: You can thank Barack Obama for Ajit Pai in the first place, and Donald Trump for being stupid enough to keep him. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ajit_Pai

(*) I will grant you that that someone who actually is stupid, is always the last, (if ever), to find out about it.

Obama basically took the word of Mitch McConnel and appointed Ajit Pai to the FCC commission yes, but it was Trump that designated Pai as FCC Chairman. It was Trump that allowed him to repeal Net Neutrality, likely because Obama passed the Bill to begin with and Trump was dead set on reversing everything Obama had done. At least, that's the only sense I can make of Trump supporting this. Maybe he thought the Cable companies would do him a solid and invest big, but they didn't because they know more cord cutters are coming. They are increasing prices and investing less. The opposite of what Trump promised.
 
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That does not surprise me in the least.

As I see it, its time McConnell's tenure in the senate comes to an end. If only I lived in Kentucky, I would not vote for him next time - though I would never have voted for him.

EDIT: McConnell also said in public in the senate: "I don't believe in global warming because God said he would not smite the Earth again." :facepalm: I really don't think one could get much more right-leaning than that.

I'm hoping at some point the senate changes. The fact that some states like California have senators that represent 2,000,000 voters while others have senators that represent 50,000 is ridiculous.
 
I'm hoping at some point the senate changes. The fact that some states like California have senators that represent 2,000,000 voters while others have senators that represent 50,000 is ridiculous.
Look up "House of Commons" and, "House of Lords", and you'll understand why that is.

As less of a homework assignment, if the Senate ruled based on population, it would become the "House of Representatives".

Each state individually is the equivalent of a kingdom or Barony, but the rule of these territories is no longer based on birthright, but rather election,. A governor is basically a territorial king, and the senators his direct emissaries, while those elected to the house, are the people's emissaries.

The fact that there are 2 senators from each state, assures us that Rhode Island and Texas, or Rhode Island and California, will always share equal influence in that segment of government.

However: The state of Rhode Island has two senators in the United States Senate and two representatives in the United States House of Representatives.

But: The most populous state, California, currently has 53 representatives.
 
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Look up "House of Commons" and, "House of Lords", and you'll understand why that is.

As less of a homework assignment, if the Senate ruled based on population, it would become the "House of Representatives".

Each state individually is the equivalent of a kingdom or Barony, but the rule of these territories is no longer based on birthright, but rather election,. A governor is basically a territorial king, and the senators his direct emissaries, while those elected to the house, are the people's emissaries.

The fact that there are 2 senators from each state, assures us that Rhode Island and Texas, or Rhode Island and California, will always share equal influence in that segment of government.

However: The state of Rhode Island has two senators in the United States Senate and two representatives in the United States House of Representatives.

But: The most populous state, California, currently has 53 representatives.

Good read.

I'm not saying do away the senate. I'd suggest allowing extremely large states to get an extra senator or two. I don't think the founding fathers ever intended for the population differences between the states to get so large. Currently as it stands, both the senate and the electoral college give more representation to smaller states. I'm only suggesting that we balance it.

The house is great for California but that's only 1/3rd of the government and it's the lower house at that.
 
I'm hoping at some point the senate changes. The fact that some states like California have senators that represent 2,000,000 voters while others have senators that represent 50,000 is ridiculous.
To me, the implications of your statement are that things are broken and not working well. With that, I agree.

Personally, I think it goes beyond government down to economic systems - in particular - the fact that the most widely-accepted economic model is a "winner take all" system. As I see it (which does not mean that my assessment is correct), the economic system has lead to numbers of super-rich that are of questionable mental soundness.

In the context of a discussion about McConnell, even if the Senate were to change, we would still have the problems that McConnell introduces as long as people like him hold power in that government. When he comes out in public as uncaring about what his constituents want and is determined to enact as many right-leaning laws as possible, it is clear to me that he has either willfully, or otherwise, forgotten that the US government is supposed to be "of the people, by the people, and for the people," and perhaps more so, the founding fathers of the US intended a separation of church and state for very valid reasons.

I think that McConnell also sees that there is something wrong in the world; however, it sounds to me as if his determination of the root cause of those problems is likely that "mankind has turned away from God" especially given his right-leaning and his public statements regarding his belief in global warming. To me, and others, I am sure, this is a simplistic viewpoint that would rather place the responsibility for cleaning up humanity's mess in the hands of an all-powerful being as opposed to the much harder task of reasoning through the problems and finding a solution to them ourselves.

Yet until people in the US refuse to elect people like McConnell, even changes in the fundamental structure of the government would do little to quell the voices of the spores of deadly fungus, like McConnell, that believe they were appointed by God to carry out God's mission.

I have to wonder what government would be like if there were no majority leaders, in other words, what would government be like if the issues that were brought to the floor of the house or the senate were not up to the whims of a majority leader, but rather to a vote of the majority of members of either. I am willing to bet there would be a lot more accomplished, and that there would be a possibility that what was accomplished was more meaningful than the :poop: that passes for progress today.
 
...[ ]...I'm not saying do away the senate. I'd suggest allowing extremely large states to get an extra senator or two. I don't think the founding fathers ever intended for the population differences between the states to get so large. Currently as it stands, both the senate and the electoral college give more representation to smaller states. I'm only suggesting that we balance it.

The house is great for California but that's only 1/3rd of the government and it's the lower house at that.
I have a lot to say about this, and I can assure you you're not going to like it

First an foremost, the senate already is balanced. Offering the most populist states extra senators is tantamount to taking away "equal representation", not assisting with improving it.

So,
The 10 Largest States by Population
  • California. It could be the cliff-lined beaches, giant redwoods, mild weather, or the booming tech and entertainment industries – but one thing's for sure: California is a popular place to call home. ...
  • Texas. ...
  • Florida. ...
  • New York. ...
  • Illinois. ...
  • Pennsylvania. ...
  • Ohio. ...
  • Georgia.
How many of those do you believe should get more senators as well?

Or is it just California, which leans so far to the left that it's already cracked the Continental shelf?

And one final question, if Hillary Clinton had won the election via the electoral college, having lost the popular vote, would you still be going on about getting rid of the electoral college? I think not. You'd be telling the far right to, "suck it", plain and simple..:rolleyes:

So this nonsense about "extra senators", is just "reapportionment", dressed up for Halloween.

The problem with American politics, is the electorate. When some politicians have to pander to looney tunes like the "right to life" imbeciles to get themselves elected, and inner city minorities think the only education necessary is the ability to collect money for crack and heroin, there's big trouble on the liberal front as well.
 
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To me, the implications of your statement are that things are broken and not working well. With that, I agree.

Personally, I think it goes beyond government down to economic systems - in particular - the fact that the most widely-accepted economic model is a "winner take all" system. As I see it (which does not mean that my assessment is correct), the economic system has lead to numbers of super-rich that are of questionable mental soundness.

In the context of a discussion about McConnell, even if the Senate were to change, we would still have the problems that McConnell introduces as long as people like him hold power in that government. When he comes out in public as uncaring about what his constituents want and is determined to enact as many right-leaning laws as possible, it is clear to me that he has either willfully, or otherwise, forgotten that the US government is supposed to be "of the people, by the people, and for the people," and perhaps more so, the founding fathers of the US intended a separation of church and state for very valid reasons.

I think that McConnell also sees that there is something wrong in the world; however, it sounds to me as if his determination of the root cause of those problems is likely that "mankind has turned away from God" especially given his right-leaning and his public statements regarding his belief in global warming. To me, and others, I am sure, this is a simplistic viewpoint that would rather place the responsibility for cleaning up humanity's mess in the hands of an all-powerful being as opposed to the much harder task of reasoning through the problems and finding a solution to them ourselves.

Yet until people in the US refuse to elect people like McConnell, even changes in the fundamental structure of the government would do little to quell the voices of the spores of deadly fungus, like McConnell, that believe they were appointed by God to carry out God's mission.

I have to wonder what government would be like if there were no majority leaders, in other words, what would government be like if the issues that were brought to the floor of the house or the senate were not up to the whims of a majority leader, but rather to a vote of the majority of members of either. I am willing to bet there would be a lot more accomplished, and that there would be a possibility that what was accomplished was more meaningful than the :poop: that passes for progress today.

Ah, this reminds me that I forgot to mention a ranked choice voting system. We should
I have a lot to say about this, and I can assure you you're not going to like it

First an foremost, the senate already is balanced. Offering the most populist states extra senators is tantamount to taking away "equal representation", not assisting with improving it.

So,
The 10 Largest States by Population
  • California. It could be the cliff-lined beaches, giant redwoods, mild weather, or the booming tech and entertainment industries – but one thing's for sure: California is a popular place to call home. ...
  • Texas. ...
  • Florida. ...
  • New York. ...
  • Illinois. ...
  • Pennsylvania. ...
  • Ohio. ...
  • Georgia.
How many of those do you believe should get more senators as well?

Or is it just California, which leans so far to the left that it's already cracked the Continental shelf?

And one final question, if Hillary Clinton had won the election via the electoral college, having lost the popular vote, would you still be going on about getting rid of the electoral college? I think not. You'd be telling the far right to, "suck it", plain and simple..:rolleyes:

So this nonsense about "extra senators", is just "reapportionment", dressed up for Halloween.

The problem with American politics, is the electorate. When some politicians have to pander to looney tunes like the "right to life" imbeciles to get themselves elected, and inner city minorities think the only education necessary is the ability to collect money for crack and heroin, there's big trouble on the liberal front as well.

I'm an independent so I could care less about Hilary and telling the right to "suck it" as you put it.

I'd have personally voted for Romney over Hillary if that was the race. We were given the two worst candidates possible to choose from instead.

As you suggested I read, the house of commons has had it's representation changed based on the distribution of the citizenry. Why shouldn't America do that same to ensure a more fair voting system?

"So this nonsense about "extra senators", is just "reapportionment", dressed up for Halloween."

It's more about adapting the government to meet modern needs. The senate was introduced when the difference in population in states was much smaller then it is now. How is it unfair to look at the scales not and re balance them when other modern governments have done just that? You have to at least acknowledge that the distribution of population in the united states has changed dramatically over the course of this democratic republic and it's impact on the power of the voters in dense areas have subsequently declined to a pittance as a result.
 
No thanks, don't want NN; I.e. crony capitalism (hence why the big push by Google, Facebook, and Amazon).
 
As you suggested I read, the house of commons has had it's representation changed based on the distribution of the citizenry. Why shouldn't America do that same to ensure a more fair voting system?
Ah, but the House of Commons IS the house of representatives, and NOT the senate

"So this nonsense about "extra senators", is just "reapportionment", dressed up for Halloween."
True enough, that's exactly what it is.

It's more about adapting the government to meet modern needs. The senate was introduced when the difference in population in states was much smaller then it is now. How is it unfair to look at the scales not and re balance them when other modern governments have done just that? You have to at least acknowledge that the distribution of population in the united states has changed dramatically over the course of this democratic republic and it's impact on the power of the voters in dense areas have subsequently declined to a pittance as a result.
No, the senate is structured to give each state the same rights to representation, and the same weight of power I think it has to do with "states rights".

You sound like a minority trying to breed itself into power. The more you reproduce, the more potential voters you gain, and consequently the more influence on government you have. It's great for the voting segment who can't keep their zippers up, but for others, not so much. That's how the nightmare that is, "democracy" works.

And since we've dragged Great Britain into this, (yes, I started it), you might consider how their governmental "improvements" worked out with Ireland. (Ireland technically was "a state", in the Commonwealth of Great Britain).

I seen this issue discussed before, and it's still supposedly not illegal to, "secede from the union". Perhaps California should consider it. I mean if they're not getting their "fair share" of control of the US government, why the hell not.

(And don't say I didn't warn you up front, you weren't going to like what I had to say).

EDIT: About this;
I'm an independent so I could care less about Hilary and telling the right to "suck it" as you put it.
If you're registered as an "independent", that's possibly the stupidest thing an American voter could do. You have no right to vote in a primary without party affiliation.

Hence, you would have no say in who's running. You get pot luck. The end product of our general elections seems to be someone you have to "vote against". With party affiliation, you can at least mitigate your frustration, if not change the outcome.

Anecdotally, my city hasn't had a Republican mayor in more than 50 years. Yet, the Republican party always manages to find a candidate either selfless or stupid enough, to offer up their candidacy. It's the political equivalent of "human sacrifice".

Hence, I'm pretty much forced to register Democratic, so I'll at least have a small say in who the next mayor will be
 
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Ah, but the House of Commons IS the house of representatives, and NOT the senate

True enough, that's exactly what it is.

No, the senate is structured to give each state the same rights to representation, and the same weight of power I think it has to do with "states rights".

You sound like a minority trying to breed itself into power. The more you reproduce, the more potential voters you gain, and consequently the more influence on government you have. It's great for the voting segment who can't keep their zippers up, but for others, not so much. That's how the nightmare that is, "democracy" works.

And since we've dragged Great Britain into this, (yes, I started it), you might consider how their governmental "improvements" worked out with Ireland. (Ireland was "a state", in the Commonwealth of Great Britain).

lol, captain you aren't supposed to respond to your own quotes.


"You sound like a minority trying to breed itself into power. The more you reproduce, the more potential voters you gain, and consequently the more influence on government you have. It's great for the voting segment who can't keep their zippers up, but for others, not so much. That's how the nightmare that is, "democracy" works."

You should tell that to my step-dad's family. 16 kids from a single mother. Regardless this argument is irrelevant. Last I checked this isn't china, there are no restrictions on voting rights or breeding. This country was founded on equal rights and that includes voting for every American. Hate towards immigrants is nothing new and neither is those that would begrudge their children of their legitimate rights.


"Ah, but the House of Commons IS the house of representatives, and NOT the senate"

I was pointing out who they changed, not comparing the structure.
 
lol, captain you aren't supposed to respond to your own quotes.
And you're supposed to put what I said within quotation brackets, which we've discussed you not doing many times, is annoying as hell, and you refuse to stop incorporating my post into the body of the post with your response.

"Ah, but the House of Commons IS the house of representatives, and NOT the senate"
How would you like me to tackle this sh!t? It's my quote encapsulated within your post. Do I have to go back, open one of my posts and re-quote myself that way?

I was pointing out who they changed, not comparing the structure.
Since you whole point of posting to this thread, was to advocate giving more senators to California, and then you make the the argument the Great Britain changed the House of Commons, it's clear you either, have no idea what you're talking about, you're trying to frame the narrative in the most annoying way possible, or you're back pedaling on the more senators theme.

Now if you came to me with Britain's House of Lords having been changed, that would have been an entirely different. I take it that isn't the case, or you would have climbed all over it.

And yes, I quoted myself on purpose, to let you know, I'm pretty sure I'm correct about what I said in the first place.

In all honesty, the only way I could envision California getting two more senators, is to split itself into two separate states, and petition the congress to admit the newly created territory as a state.

I can assure you the process wouldn't be anything like, or nearly so simple these days, as having two Dakotas. The possibility of California splitting into two parts for additional representation, would immediately pop to the top of the argument stack against potential statehood for "north" or "south" California..

http://time.com/4377423/dakota-north-south-history-two/
 
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STOP calling it "net neutrality".

Call it: "EQUAL access to the internet"

Otherwise you confuse the poorly educated.
 
US Internet Speed Has Gone From 12th To 6th Fastest Since End Of Net Neutrality
https://dailycaller.com/2018/08/14/...al&utm_medium=Twitter&utm_campaign=engagement

Global Speeds December 2018

https://www.speedtest.net/global-in...Djr1fN8n9lxUTujdAio0lsiDkVgi7ip7PqLTHOJd0_6BY

"This is likely due to the fact that the repeal of net neutrality rules have allowed the market to dictate itself. This, in turn, has spurred competition and innovation which ultimately creates a better product for consumers."
 
US Internet Speed Has Gone From 12th To 6th Fastest Since End Of Net Neutrality
https://dailycaller.com/2018/08/14/...al&utm_medium=Twitter&utm_campaign=engagement

Global Speeds December 2018

https://www.speedtest.net/global-in...Djr1fN8n9lxUTujdAio0lsiDkVgi7ip7PqLTHOJd0_6BY

"This is likely due to the fact that the repeal of net neutrality rules have allowed the market to dictate itself. This, in turn, has spurred competition and innovation which ultimately creates a better product for consumers."
As I see it, it is far too early to make the connection between the end of NN and any increase in internet speeds. There are court cases that are in the works and have yet to be settled before the end of NN will ever happen - if it ever happens. It is likely going to take years before NN is at its end - if it ever is.

In NYS, Spectrum, aka Time Warner, were threatened with being thrown out of the state because of their :poop: speeds and :poop: customer service. What company with such a significant monopolistic presence in any state would not bend over backward to maintain that monopoly - and increase internet speeds when having their arms twisted behind their backs by the state's government?

If you ask me, Spectrum will be back in court in NYS. Their settlement with the state, IMO, is little more than a marketing ploy to addict further customers to their "service"; it is unfortunate that NYS representatives have so far failed to realize this.
 
Anecdotally, my city hasn't had a Republican mayor in more than 50 years. Yet, the Republican party always manages to find a candidate either selfless or stupid enough, to offer up their candidacy. It's the political equivalent of "human sacrifice".

Hence, I'm pretty much forced to register Democratic, so I'll at least have a small say in who the next mayor will be
I thought you were in NYC, Captain?
 
I thought you were in NYC, Captain?
Wherein da heck did you come up with that? I'm from Philly, the home of the pitiful, one time in fifty years, and as of yesterday, former reigning Super Bowl champs, "The Eeeg-holes".

Although that said, I won't even give them that much dignity of title, if they trade Super Bowl MVP Nick Foles, and keep the ever broken Carson Wentz.

2015 Philadelphia mayoral election:

Party Democratic Nominee Jim Kenney Popular vote:.................200,146.......85.1%

Party Republican Nominee Melissa Murray Bailey Popular vote:...31.011.......13.2%

It would appear that the "Me Too movement", (thankfully) really hasn't taken hold here yet, at least not in politics.
 
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Wherein da heck did you come up with that? I'm from Philly, the home of the pitiful, one time in fifty years, and as of yesterday, former reigning Super Bowl champs, "The Eeeg-holes".

Although that said, I won't even give them that much dignity of title, if they trade Super Bowl MVP Nick Foles, and keep the ever broken Carson Wentz.

2015 Philadelphia mayoral election:

Party Democratic Nominee Jim Kenney Popular vote:.................200,146.......85.1%

Party Republican Nominee Melissa Murray Bailey Popular vote:...31.011.......13.2%

It would appear that the "Me Too movement", (thankfully) really hasn't taken hold here yet, at least not in politics.
Brain :poop: I guess!

Perhaps you should consider switching to Ice Hockey as the Flyers have won a few Stanley Cups. :D

I guess that I am not surprised that Philly has not had a republican mayor in like, forever! :laughing:
 
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