The real question is, who wouldn't?
Ford made a one-off Mustang Mach-E with seven motors and 1,400 HP
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Yeah, that's too bad. As you know in the auto parts business no one ever covers consequential damage, only the defective part itself.
Nobina
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Do electric car fangirls have Neuralink implemented in their brain already? Cause they will defend anything electric car related, even this annoying whiney sound. They will even try to spin long charging times as a good thing cause it gives you time to buy grocieries or something. We all like electric cars but not everything is perfect about them. Pure illness.
There is a big difference between defending "anything electric car-related" and just making sure lesser humans don't put out regurgitated lies and propaganda. EV's are superior in almost every way to a gasoline vehicle but I don't have one. Not yet (Although I am considering a Focus EV just to play with).
You hear a whiney sound. The facts are they sound just like a Supercharged engine winding out. Your limp wristed cry baby opinion simply because you are predisposed to not liking it is not important. I can hear you whimpering from here.
Nobina
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That whimpering is just the sound of an EV you have stuck in your head. Don't worry, I would go mental too listening to that noise.
Ok brother I get it now, you are only interested in a neener neener battle. Fine but just PM me so we can get on with it. I will channel my inner 10-year-old and we can both keep it out of this thread which I'm sure the author would appreciate.
EDIT - Or even better we can take it to General Discussion.
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The:
Tesla Roadster Sport
Mercedes-Benz SLS AMG Coupe Electric
Mercedes-Benz B-Class Electric
Tesla Model S
All disagree. So Mercedes builds 2 HiPerf. electrics that the market doesn't want?
Forget saving the planet: Ford, Tesla and others tout monster horsepower, high performance in EVs
From the article:
" No one’s talking about the fact that the new, all-electric Porsche Taycan delivers the equivalent of 90 miles per gallon in the city. Car reviewers, instead, are raving about the 750 horsepower the S model can make".
I would, nothing sounds better than a big V8 with straight pipes
Thanks and I'd expect battery prices to actually rise not decrease going forward. The new zero carbon foot print goals require brand new technologies to make batteries without a massive foot print, extracting litium is a very dirty process, so is manufacturing the outer casings and any plastics also on it from wraps and insulation. Those new technologies that make battery production green are going to expensive to create. As for motors, electric motors need maintince and replacement, and considering their exposure to outside elements they will not have the durability we all imagine, look at electric motors used outdoors, the copper winding corrodes from heat/cool cycles,seasonal tempature change, humidity. Then we've got salt in the winters, it will slowly interfer. The tech hasn't been tested long term enough and these are the same issues affecting any car on the road, except salt is electrically conductive so as the car ages and seals wear out which they will we will get to see the true impact of road salt on the electric drive train.
We do have a fair report of the motors already. The motors in the late 90s Prius and 2008 and up Tesla Roadster have been nearly flawless so far so we are off to a good start with EV reliability. Now the elements and the circuitry are certainly a good point and must be watched, although everything is self-contained in stainless steel, hard spun vinyl, or aluminum enclosures. Of course, there is still crash damage to think about but current vehicles have fuel lines that run the length of the car\truck so it may end up being a wash.
Here is an interesting read on EV battery prices but it includes the full packs and not cell replacement:
Battery Pack Prices Fall As Market Ramps Up With Market Average At $156/kWh In 2019 | BloombergNEF
Battery prices, which were above $1,100 per kilowatt-hour in 2010, have fallen 87% in real terms to $156/kWh in 2019. By 2023, average prices will be close to $100/kWh, according to our latest forecast.
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And maybe even more importantly, aftermarket EV batteries are not far off. Green Tek already has remanufactured batteries for the Prius for under $1000.
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We do have a fair report of the motors already. The motors in the late 90s Prius and 2008 and up Tesla Roadster have been nearly flawless so far so we are off to a good start with EV reliability. Now the elements and the circuitry are certainly a good point and must be watched, although everything is self-contained in stainless steel, hard spun vinyl, or aluminum enclosures. Of course, there is still crash damage to think about but current vehicles have fuel lines that run the length of the car\truck so it may end up being a wash.
Here is an interesting read on EV battery prices but it includes the full packs and not cell replacement:
Battery Pack Prices Fall As Market Ramps Up With Market Average At $156/kWh In 2019 | BloombergNEF
Battery prices, which were above $1,100 per kilowatt-hour in 2010, have fallen 87% in real terms to $156/kWh in 2019. By 2023, average prices will be close to $100/kWh, according to our latest forecast.
And maybe even more importantly, aftermarket EV batteries are not far off. Green Tek already has remanufactured batteries for the Prius for under $1000.
Then distance and or recharge time need to improve. I either need it to recharge as fast as I can refill my gas tank or I need it to have at least a 2000 mile range
Agreed. The range is improving (2020 Model 3 has 330-mile range on a 75 kW battery). Charge time is not coming along nearly as fast. On the road the Superchargers can charge from 10% to 80% in around 20 minutes so, it's getting there.
What has a 2000 mile range? Or 1000?
If I pull over to fill the tank every 400 miles I can and have driven 48 hours straight, and 24+ is also something I sometimes do. It takes me 5 minutes to fill the tank, it takes a few hours to charge the batteries on an ev that gets less range then my one tank of gas. Either get recharge time down to similar to a fill up at the pump or increase the range.
That is a very specific set of rules to make the math work. So here is mine.
Let's say I want to send someone on my staff from New York to LA. It would cost me 57% less cash to send him or her in an electric and pay for the extra time it takes to recharge than to pay for the gasoline and the smaller billable hours.
And that EV requires one-third of the maintenance costs.
A hotel costs $70 for a cheap one. Given range limits and say an average speed of 65 your guys are going 350 miles per day, that's 5.34 hours of driving. Now let's look at days across country. That's an 8 day drive for 2700 miles, so 16 round trip. Now for bussiness a normal driving day should be 8-12 hours which lowers your hotel costs, which is cheaper. But now let's look at a family vacation where this is far more relevant as most companies would rather fly their employee as that is cheaper. Now a family vacation that's 16 hotel stays round trip just on the road. Now a family could easily drive 16 hours, because of fuel ups let's lower average speed to 50 and be generous. That's a 4 day drive which is the average time new York to la. It is cheaper to drive it in a normal car.
You will spend less on hotels which you'll instead spend on gas, but your only buying 4 days worth of fast food or restaurant for a family of 4 that averages out to 20-30 per meal on the cheap or over 100 if they like good food. Those costs matter, so electric is 70*8 + 40*3*8 = 1520
Gas average SUV fuel economy 22mpg, average range per tank highway is 450 miles. Let's overprice gas at 2.57g and distance is 2790 miles. So first gas expense is 325 for one way. So 325 + 40*3*4 = 805
Savings is $715. That enough money to have a better vacation, eat nicer food or stay in nicer hotels and that's a budget trip for a middle class family of 4.
Maintince cost is low as highway miles are less damaging than city driving, you'd need an oil change when you get home thats it.
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And now the truth is that cross country with an electric and charging at a high rate charge station (which most are) now might take as much as 4 hours longer.
No unlikely, the biggest issue with electric is outside of major cities your lucky to find a charging station period so you either get to charge it with an extension cord or stick to a route only going through major cities every few hundred miles.
Please keep repeating that to yourself and now I will educate you further by informing you that there are 103,000 charging locations in the US. Your comment could not be further from the truth. Again.
Adhmuz
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"Lethargic, almost chocking sound"... Sure whatever you say.
"Sounds like the blower on a gasoline engine. Which all us car buffs love." Not sure you and I make up the same group of car buffs, not really sure who shares this opinion either.
Please don't pretend your opinion of something is a fact, it isn't. I can easily say EV motor whine sounds nothing like that of a supercharger and then slap fact at the end of that statement, it isn't, it's an opinion just like your own.
But please continue insulting people who don't share your opinion of something that you want to perpetrate as factual.
What percentage of those charging stations are "Superchargers"?
I was being sarcastic.
Keep in mind I'm not talking about the Fisher-Price blowers on cars today. Im talking about the 671 and 871 blowers for example. Did you see Mad Max? Yeah, blowers like those. The "Blower Whine" was very distinct and just cool as hell but I would agree I should have mentioned that.
All road charging stations are much faster than charging at home though. There are about 1900+ actual stations called Superchargers and almost all the rest claim to be DC superchargers which are the same except not for Tesla only.
Let me know if you need any more assistance.
EDIT - To fix the number of SC stations.
Here ya go. Listen closely. He engages the blower at 0:20. This is a blower not made of Lego's.
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Go into rural areas and tell me how many chargers you find. Go ahead I'll wait
I live in a rural area in Arkansas outside of Little Rock. There are 3 within 12 miles of me. 2 Superchargers, and one DC Charge Point (Also Level 2 - 240v.) The closest gas station (Big Red on Arch Street and Pratt) is 6 miles away.
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And to head off your next hypothetical, the furthest distance between any 2 charge stations in the US is 88 miles from Rawlins to Casper Wyoming.
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